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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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Well - this probably won't happen but the fact it being spoken about is good
If the SCG trust want $700M government money then handing over the management of it to Venues NSW should be debated

I'm more than happy to leave Allianz alone and spend all the money on ANZ for a demo and re-build

Labor to overhaul SCG Trust after Berejiklian commits to new stadium
By Jacob Saulwick
30 March 2018 — 6:29pm

The state opposition would end the Sydney Cricket & Sports Ground Trust’s 142-year dominion over sporting facilities in Moore Park, according to Labor’s sports spokeswoman.

The Berejiklian Government’s decision this week to commit to a $730 million new stadium at Moore Park, and renovate ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park at a cost of $810 million has led to a focus on the role of the SCG Trust, which a year ago looked likely to be left with little from a potential stadium bonanza.

But in the 11 months since former premier Mike Baird said he would prioritise Olympic Park over a new stadium at Moore Park, the SCG Trust has managed to successfully argue that the 30-year-old Allianz Stadium presents a safety and security case to be replaced.

This analysis was agreed to by the advisory agency Infrastructure NSW. Summaries for a business case of a new stadium released on Thursday agreed that a new 40,000-45,000 seat facility at Moore Park represented better value than refurbishing the existing stadium.

According to Labor’s Lynda Voltz, however, other sporting facilities in Sydney have been disadvantaged by not having independent boards argue their case.

“It creates a completely unequal playing field in the events market to have the SCG Trust sitting outside a single venues board operating every other state venue,” said Ms Vltz.

Ms Voltz said it did not make sense to give other state-owned venues managed by the government entity Venues NSW - ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park, the new Parramatta Stadium, WIN Stadium in the Illawarra, and the McDonald Jones Stadium, and the Newcastle Entertainment Centre in the Hunter – their own trusts as well.

The SCG Trust should therefore be folded into Venues NSW, she said.

“The SCG Trust should be incorporated into that single venue strategy,” she said.

“It wouldn’t exist.”

Merging the SCG Trust with other entities managing elite sporting venues in NSW was proposed by former premier Mike Baird in late 2015. But the policy has since been dropped, with Ms Berejiklian confirming on Thursday it was not her plan.

The Labor Party opposes the proposal to build a new stadium at Moore Park.

The chairman of the SCG Trust, Tony Shepherd, said it was not his role to comment on governance issue. “That is the decision of the government of the day, that is their right,” Mr Shepherd said.


“The only thing I would say that in any arrangement a government makes we need to ensure that the rights of our members who have supported the trust for many years and are principal source of revenue,” he said.

Mr Shepherd welcomed the involvement of Infrastructure NSW in providing the case for upgraded stadium infrastructure.

“The government has commissioned an independent expert assessment and arrived at its decision having taken the best advice and we support them,” he said.

Under Ms Berejiklian’s policy announced on Thursday, Allianz Stadium will be knocked down toward the end of the year and replaced by a new stadium by March 2022. ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park, which was to be also replaced by an entirely new stadium under her previous policy, will be refurbished between 2019 and 2022.

A position on the SCG Trust has long been coveted by the state’s sporting, business and political elite. Radio 2GB’s Alan Jones, who has been credited by Labor leader Luke Foley and former premier Mike Baird’s staff as having changed the government’s position on stadium funding, has been a trustee for 30 years.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...n-commits-to-new-stadium-20180330-p4z75q.html


It would be pretty bloody delicious if this whole situation led to the downfall of the SCG trust.


Although I genuinely don’t think Allianz can be left alone, it either needs rebuilding in some form or significant upgrades.

If you dismantled the trust you could also do away with the gold memberships, refund people on a pro rata basis or transfer them to SCG memberships and refund the difference. In that case a 30k seat stadium would work fine.
 
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Was thinking about the timeline for Allianz stadium, and it may just be possible for a labor govt to change the plans if they won the next election.

Demolition of Allianz won’t be super quick, it’s too close to residents & other buildings to do a really quick wrecking ball job. Will need some slower dismantling, particularly the upper decks.

I could see that taking 3-4 months, maybe even longer to pull it down.

That’d put things somewhere in February when it had been completely knocked down. Building won’t start instantly either, site prep work needs to be done, takes a while to get out of the ground. By now we’re likely after the March election.

Now depending on the contract it could be possible to pivot to a smaller stadium at that point. Probably a long shot, but may not be impossible.
 

Game_Breaker

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Was thinking about the timeline for Allianz stadium, and it may just be possible for a labor govt to change the plans if they won the next election.

Demolition of Allianz won’t be super quick, it’s too close to residents & other buildings to do a really quick wrecking ball job. Will need some slower dismantling, particularly the upper decks.

I could see that taking 3-4 months, maybe even longer to pull it down.

That’d put things somewhere in February when it had been completely knocked down. Building won’t start instantly either, site prep work needs to be done, takes a while to get out of the ground. By now we’re likely after the March election.

Now depending on the contract it could be possible to pivot to a smaller stadium at that point. Probably a long shot, but may not be impossible.

Your timeline looks about right
I'd say it will take even longer to get out of the ground based on the planning consent

This project will need to go through the Department of Planning for approval - that whole process can take between 9-12 months and they haven't even lodged anything yet (Might be quicker given the high profile nature of the project but there are minimum requirements)

They might remove the demolition portion of the contract from the main works and award the separately
 

colly

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It would be pretty bloody delicious if this whole situation led to the downfall of the SCG trust.


Although I genuinely don’t think Allianz can be left alone, it either needs rebuilding in some form or significant upgrades.

If you dismantled the trust you could also do away with the gold memberships, refund people on a pro rata basis or transfer them to SCG memberships and refund the difference. In that case a 30k seat stadium would work fine.

Trump Towers at each end and a roof strung between! Nil, Nada cost. f**k the trust and that toilet tootsie fiddler.
 

Perth Red

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I don’t see how the nsw Govt can be investing In stadiums effectively owned by the scg trust. How. much of the revenue from Moore park goes back to the nsw Govt?

A 35k fully roofed stadium at Moore park and a 75k new anz was the ultimate win for nrl, can’t belive they rolled over so quickly on this. Only thing Sydney got right is the western sydney stadium, one out of three is ok I guess lol
 
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I don’t see how the nsw Govt can be investing In stadiums effectively owned by the scg trust. How. much of the revenue from Moore park goes back to the nsw Govt?

A 35k fully roofed stadium at Moore park and a 75k new anz was the ultimate win for nrl, can’t belive they rolled over so quickly on this. Only thing Sydney got right is the western sydney stadium, one out of three is ok I guess lol

The trust is the govt, it’s just an arms length arrangement. They can take it back at any time.

I seriously doubt Allianz stadium would even be profitable anyway, ANZ stadium hosts the bigger events and can only make around $10m.

I’m interested to see if they keep the club mode at Allianz stadium, if they do it’ll still be a pretty bloody good venue for the NRL.
 

Suitman

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The best thing that could happen to the SCG and the trust is the swans go on a 3 year losing streak and the crowds there drop through the floor.

As much as I agree with this statement, the ALF would only throw more money at the GWS Midgets to ensure they won the comp instead.
Therefore, they'd have more of an excuse to beg for another $100-$150 million spend at Spotless instead, to increase the capacity of a ground that they can't even half fill now.
Don't worry, the ALF will always find a way to suck money out of the govt.
 
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As much as I agree with this statement, the ALF would only throw more money at the GWS Midgets to ensure they won the comp instead.
Therefore, they'd have more of an excuse to beg for another $100-$150 million spend at Spotless instead, to increase the capacity of a ground that they can't even half fill now.
Don't worry, the ALF will always find a way to suck money out of the govt.

Spotless will get an upgrade for cricket, BBL is expected to expand to a full home & away season.
 

Jamberoo

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This guy is the labor MP for Campbelltown. FFS.

It is bizarre that Melbourne has three stadiums used by pro sports (30K/55K/100K), and has double the crowds of Sydney that in 2022 will probably still have 8 - 10 stadiums, four of which are comparable in size (30K/45K/46K/70K).
Is this spread of stadia really due to political incompetence or just a reality of Sydney's geography and poorly planned road and public transport system? Perhaps there is no solution.
 
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It is bizarre that Melbourne has three stadiums used by pro sports (30K/55K/100K), and has double the crowds of Sydney that in 2022 will probably still have 8 - 10 stadiums, four of which are comparable in size (30K/45K/46K/70K).
Is this spread of stadia really due to political incompetence or just a reality of Sydney's geography and poorly planned road and public transport system? Perhaps there is no solution.


Sydney are Melbourne really are very different in a number of areas.

If you look at world sport, Melbourne AFL crowd culture is actually an outlier. I can’t think of another city that has 9 pro sports teams in its top level and gets crowds like the AFL do.

So Sydney really suffers from that comparison, when in reality it’s closer to what other cities around the world are like.

But as you alluded to, the geography is quite different too. Sydney is more hilly, divided by a harbour, making transport more of a challenge. Flatter cities like Melbourne are much more likely to be built on grids.

The Melbourne solution of totally centralised stadiums will never totally work in Sydney.
 

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