The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

According to Phil Rothfield in the Sunday Telegraph there are members of the SCG Trust who have taken legal advice and are considering suing the SCG trust for loss of amenities during the upgrade. If this is true it just proves what a bunch of self entitled wankers they are.

Wow. Yeah they’re knocking down the pool & gym too.

The whole stadium membership structure is archaic and really quite bad for the teams that hire the ground. Makes it harder for them to generate their own membership revenue.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

From the train station, its about a 15 minute walk (with no hills).

With the Parramatta Light Rail going in it will be far more accessible. Indeed wont be operational til 2023 but it's coming.

 

[herbert henry1908]

With the Parramatta Light Rail going in it will be far more accessible. Indeed wont be operational til 2023 but it's coming.

15 min flat walk is fine for most people though, light rail will help the elderly.

In a perfect world we’d have a club stadium right next to a train station. At least ANZ will be getting a permanent metro line.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

15 min flat walk is fine for most people though, light rail will help the elderly.

In a perfect world we’d have a club stadium right next to a train station. At least ANZ will be getting a permanent metro line.

Yeah true. On the other hand the walk from Central to the SFS (I prefer to call it that) & SCG is a ball-ache.

The Light Rail out to Randwick from the Sydney CBD/Central will be great for access to the SFS. Scheduled for March 2020 although the real completion dates does keep slipping to the right.

I for one think the new SFS development combined with accessibility improvments will be awesome.

 

[Captain Apollo]

The Parramatta light rail won't necessarily be that big a help. It's a 5 minute walk from the station/interchange to where the nearest stop will be, and then a 5 minute walk from where you get off to the stadium. The lght rail effectively just replaces the route taken by all the buses that head north currently (i.e. M54, M60, 600, 601, 603, 604, 606, 609, 625 and 706) from the station.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Wow. Yeah they’re knocking down the pool & gym too.

The whole stadium membership structure is archaic and really quite bad for the teams that hire the ground. Makes it harder for them to generate their own membership revenue.

The article said that even though the trust have provided alternate facilities during the upgrade there are those looking at legal action. I agree with you the whole trust should be revamped as they seem to forget what they are there for.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Yeah true. On the other hand the walk from Central to the SFS (I prefer to call it that) & SCG is a ball-ache.

The Light Rail out to Randwick from the Sydney CBD/Central will be great for access to the SFS. Scheduled for March 2020 although the real completion dates does keep slipping to the right.

I for one think the new SFS development combined with accessibility improvments will be awesome.

I think again it’ll mostly help the elderly & people with kids, unless they have enough rolling stock to dramatically increase capacity on game days.

It’s definitely an improvement though.

There is some talk of a metro stop for Moore park though, that’d be huge.

In the end though the SFS probably doesn’t help rugby league a huge amount unless another team moves there.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The Parramatta light rail won't necessarily be that big a help. It's a 5 minute walk from the station/interchange to where the nearest stop will be, and then a 5 minute walk from where you get off to the stadium. The lght rail effectively just replaces the route taken by all the buses that head north currently (i.e. M54, M60, 600, 601, 603, 604, 606, 609, 625 and 706) from the station.

That’s interesting, I thought there was a stop right outside the stadium?

 

[jim_57]

I think again it’ll mostly help the elderly & people with kids, unless they have enough rolling stock to dramatically increase capacity on game days.

It’s definitely an improvement though.

There is some talk of a metro stop for Moore park though, that’d be huge.

In the end though the SFS probably doesn’t help rugby league a huge amount unless another team moves there.

With the amount of money being spent on it I wouldn't be surprised to see any of Rabbitohs, Dragons, Sharks or Manly offered lucrative deals to move some or all of their games there. Whether any would take the offer or not is another story.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

I think again it’ll mostly help the elderly & people with kids, unless they have enough rolling stock to dramatically increase capacity on game days.

It’s definitely an improvement though.

There is some talk of a metro stop for Moore park though, that’d be huge.

In the end though the SFS probably doesn’t help rugby league a huge amount unless another team moves there.

Re the Rolling Stock - each LRV (ie Tram) can take 450 people and during weekday operations run every 4 minutes. There will be special event increased fleet availability such as footy games etc.

It will help enormously especially Friday night games where people can easily roll in after a few swifts after-work beers, and roll home afterwards. Also in general for others coming in from outer regions..

Re other team - enter South Sydney perhaps.... back nearer to their grassroots. No idea what their current contract with ANZ is though??

 

[Suitman]

That’s interesting, I thought there was a stop right outside the stadium?

No.
The stop for the stadium will be the Prince Alfred Park stop on the corner of Church st and Victoria rd. The light rail will be running down Church st.
In saying that, it is only 2 small blocks from the stadium. A couple of minutes walk at most.

 

[herbert henry1908]

With the amount of money being spent on it I wouldn't be surprised to see any of Rabbitohs, Dragons, Sharks or Manly offered lucrative deals to move some or all of their games there. Whether any would take the offer or not is another story.

I wonder if they will get deals tbh.

SCG trust have never done that before, and I think the govt might look at the facility being enough money spent.

As I mentioned earlier what really screws the clubs that use it, particularly the roosters, is the stadium membership limits their ability to earn match day revenue.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Re the Rolling Stock - each LRV (ie Tram) can take 450 people and during weekday operations run every 4 minutes. There will be special event increased fleet availability such as footy games etc.

It will help enormously especially Friday night games where people can easily roll in after a few swifts after-work beers, and roll home afterwards. Also in general for others coming in from outer regions..

Re other team - enter South Sydney perhaps.... back nearer to their grassroots. No idea what their current contract with ANZ is though??

Souths are pretty wedded to the ANZ I think.

Remember with the light rail many people will be using it to get home, so whilst there might be 450 spots on a train how many will be free? Particularly on a Friday night.

But it’s good to hear they can increase capacity.

Saturday & Sunday it will be more empty.

 

[Suitman]

The Parramatta light rail won't necessarily be that big a help. It's a 5 minute walk from the station/interchange to where the nearest stop will be, and then a 5 minute walk from where you get off to the stadium.

That's not quite right.
The light rail stop near the station will be on the opposite side of the new Parramatta Town Square development to the station. A 2 minute walk at most.
At the stadium end, as I said in an above post, it will be the Prince Alfred Park stop. 2 blocks from the stadium and a similar 2 minute walk.

In the end, it's an easy 15 walk from the station to the stadium currently, past multitudes of restaurants and pubs.
The new WSS will be one of the best game day venues to visit due to the entertainment, food and the quality new stadium.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Souths are pretty wedded to the ANZ I think.

Remember with the light rail many people will be using it to get home, so whilst there might be 450 spots on a train how many will be free? Particularly on a Friday night.

But it’s good to hear they can increase capacity.

Saturday & Sunday it will be more empty.

Hello again Herbert!

Appreciate your two cents here.

Re getting home on a friday yeah I hear ya. However I don't see this an issue - as the new line is standalone into the south east (not on the main heavy rail lines). And yes they'll still run special events services, more availability.

This Friday night the Panthers Play the Sharks at the SFS. The current options for these fans (most of which are a fair distance away) to watch the game are;

• Drive into the teeth of Friday Night Sydney Traffic, then try and find a parking spot (most of which at a cost)
• Get a Train to Central then make the choice of a 30 minute walk up hills or queue for a bus through traffic
• The above all over again on the journey home (in reverse)
• Watch in the comfort of their lounge room or local pub

Die-hards will no doubt make the journey rain, hail or shine. But I'd bet my right nut more would attend if they could get a train to central then another to the stadium, and ferried back out again just as quickly to make the trek home. And to a stadium that isn't a relic of the 80's with god-awful facilities. Just using this game as an example - the same could be said for a lot of other fan groups coming from afar.

Whether the game should be played elsewhere or not is another story.

 

[unforgiven]

I wonder if they will get deals tbh.

SCG trust have never done that before, and I think the govt might look at the facility being enough money spent.

As I mentioned earlier what really screws the clubs that use it, particularly the roosters, is the stadium membership limits their ability to earn match day revenue.

They paid Wests Tigers to play there.

 

[Suitman]

But I'd bet my right nut more would attend if they could get a train to central then another to the stadium,

And I'd bet my right nut that if people could catch a train to Central, or any other ground, and have a couple of minutes walk to the stadium, they would do it. Just like Melbourne.
This city f**ked up it's infrastructure a century ago, and has never done anything to correct it.
The light rail in both the city and Parramatta will go a little way to correcting this, as will the Metro West from the City to Westmead via Olympic Park and Parramatta.

But, to correct this cities transport problems, we'll need to see a combined CityRail/Metro system like this.

Most of these future lines are in the transport strategy, but the complete system is 30 or more years away. We have to start somewhere I suppose, to right the wrongs of the pathetic infrastructure investment in the past.
The proposed Metro lines are the deal breakers that could bring the city into line with other major world cities.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

I wonder if they will get deals tbh.

SCG trust have never done that before, and I think the govt might look at the facility being enough money spent.

As I mentioned earlier what really screws the clubs that use it, particularly the roosters, is the stadium membership limits their ability to earn match day revenue.

With ANZ part of venues NSW they can just stop all financial support to play at ANZ

Allianz just has to offer new dressing rooms and a gym and they will get a Tennant .

South's makes perfect sense

Plus a couple of big St George and tigers games

 

[Suitman]

Further to my above post, there is no proposed Metro Line to the Northern Beaches.
A deal breaker for the survival of Manly.
Goodbye Sea Eagles.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

And I'd bet my right nut that if people could catch a train to Central, or any other ground, and have a couple of minutes walk to the stadium, they would do it. Just like Melbourne.
This city f**ked up it's infrastructure a century ago, and has never done anything to correct it.
The light rail in both the city and Parramatta will go a little way to correcting this, as will the Metro West from the City to Westmead via Olympic Park and Parramatta.

But, to correct this cities transport problems, we'll need to see a combined CityRail/Metro system like this.

Most of these future lines are in the transport strategy, but the complete system is 30 or more years away. We have to start somewhere I suppose, to right the wrongs of the pathetic infrastructure investment in the past.
The proposed Metro lines are the deal breakers that could bring the city into line with other major world cities.

Hard to blame the folk of 100 years ago but you are right - the Infrastructure planning in Sydney hasn't been world-class - apart from the big f**k-off bridge we built. We are playing catch-up.

(Now I'll show my hand and declare I work in the Rail Industry - not for Govt though or the major rail companies)

Melbourne have a brilliant network layout and accessibility to their sporting grounds are so easy. But they have a raft of different issues I wont bore you with.

Anyway my real point is - unless we have the accessibility vastly improved to the SFS and ANZ Stadiums then money upgrading them is wasted as people will stay at home to watch. But also, if the stadium experience isn't up to scratch - then people will prefer to stay at home also.