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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Quicksilver

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Packed in like sardines, horrible seats, incredibly ancient architecture. The whole western side was utterly crap. Not enough seats for the area which is sorely needed and has been fixed with the rebuild
As someone who went to parramatta for 3 years to wanderers games, of the three stadiums that needed a knockdown and rebuild, it was that one.
You want to use the Fitzy argument, at least use it for the stadiums that a complete knockdown and rebuild that werent as decrepit as parramatta stadium.

That's all pretty vague. How are you packed in like sardines? You've got a seat. do you weigh 200kgs?
 

Suitman

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That's all pretty vague. How are you packed in like sardines? You've got a seat. do you weigh 200kgs?

Even when the place was half full, the facilities couldn't provide even half decent standards required by patrons in the modern age.
It may have been fantastic in 1986 when it was built. It was a f**king dump by the time it was demolished, and it no where met the demands of modern sporting clubs who derive a large percentage of their revenue from the corporate sector.
I'll bet you just love grassy hills.
 

Last Week

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Even when the place was half full, the facilities couldn't provide even half decent standards required by patrons in the modern age.
It may have been fantastic in 1986 when it was built. It was a f**king dump by the time it was demolished, and it no where met the demands of modern sporting clubs who derive a large percentage of their revenue from the corporate sector.
I'll bet you just love grassy hills.

And old men wearing bandanas too.
 

M2D2

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Even when the place was half full, the facilities couldn't provide even half decent standards required by patrons in the modern age.
It may have been fantastic in 1986 when it was built. It was a f**king dump by the time it was demolished, and it no where met the demands of modern sporting clubs who derive a large percentage of their revenue from the corporate sector.
I'll bet you just love grassy hills.
As someone who went to a few packed games. It was a nightmare, and ive been to packed games at Allianz/ANZ and it was like a breath of fresh air compared to Parramatta.
That being said, i havent seen someone do coke off a toilet seat anywhere else but Parramatta. So maybe thats why he is a fan of that stadium.
 

Quicksilver

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Even when the place was half full, the facilities couldn't provide even half decent standards required by patrons in the modern age.
It may have been fantastic in 1986 when it was built. It was a f**king dump by the time it was demolished, and it no where met the demands of modern sporting clubs who derive a large percentage of their revenue from the corporate sector.
I'll bet you just love grassy hills.

What does that even mean?

1986 wasn’t all that different to now. People weren’t shitting in holes back then.

Grassy hills aren’t too bad. I don’t mind being outside if that’s what you’re asking.
 

Quicksilver

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As someone who went to a few packed games. It was a nightmare, and ive been to packed games at Allianz/ANZ and it was like a breath of fresh air compared to Parramatta.
That being said, i havent seen someone do coke off a toilet seat anywhere else but Parramatta. So maybe thats why he is a fan of that stadium.

If people who can afford coke are turning up, it can’t be that bad.
 

Quicksilver

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Allianz got a bit shitty with big crowds. But I’d put that down to poorly trained temp staff.

The new experience won’t be any better if the student at the bar still doesn’t know how to pour a beer.

I’d expect the new stadiums to still have a modern temp/casual cheap labour force though. Moving forward with the times and all.
 

Last Week

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I didn't think Parra was that bad. It was better than most, if not all Sydney suburban stadiums. The facilities were poor and trying to move around the stadium sucked.

The worst part I think was the corporate facilities. Which the new stadium addresses.

Besides, whether or not you think it needed to be done now or not, it had to be done at some point. And this was the best opportunity the state government saw to get the rebuilds done.

As for building a 100 year stadium, please. That's just moronic.
 

TheEroticGamer

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Rebuilding Parramatta Stadium is a terrible decision considering how close ANZ Stadium is.

Look to rebuild every stadium, fine. But show some decent prioritisation and common sense thinking. If the Parramatta Eels and the Parramatta Wanderers were so desperate to play at a better stadium now they should have been told to go down the road to the 80k seater monster there.
 

El Diablo

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/st...-s-move-into-new-stadium-20181016-p509xj.html

Stoush brewing over Parramatta's move into new stadium

Adrian Proszenko16 October 2018 — 12:46pm

Parramatta and the operators of the new Western Sydney Stadium (WSS) have just one week to thrash out a hiring agreement to prevent their impasse from playing havoc with the NRL draw.

The Eels have rejected a deal to play their home games at the venue, claiming the current offer would “impact the club negatively for the next 25 years”. The NRL draw is set to be released next Thursday, but unless the parties strike a deal beforehand all Parramatta home fixtures will be marked as ‘TBC’.

The Wests Tigers have already done a deal with venue operator, VenuesLive, to stage four matches at WSS from 2019. However, anchor tenants Parramatta and Western Sydney Wanderers are yet to come to terms amid reports they are being asked to pay a rate almost twice that of other clubs at other 30,000-seat venues.

According to Eels boss Bernie Gurr, the current WSS deal - which will run for between 15 to 25 years - is “not acceptable”.

“The reality is, and you can’t sugarcoat a bitter pill, the negotiations aren’t going well,” Gurr said. “All we want is a fair and reasonable deal. At the moment, the financial outcomes we’re projecting are not where we want them. It just doesn’t stack up for us at the moment.”

The Eels were scheduled to be the first side to play in it once construction is completed. The venue is expected to be ready in time to host Parramatta’s Easter Monday clash, most likely against Wests Tigers, in what would be a historic sellout event.

However, Parramatta have rejected the current deal after engaging consultants to ensure the hiring terms are reasonable and on par with what other clubs pay to play at similar venues.

The timing has been viewed cynically by those who believe the decision was made to exact maximum leverage before the NRL draw is announced. Given both parties need each other, it’s almost certain a compromise will be reached well before the 2019 season kicks off.

“Discussions with the Parramatta Eels rugby league football club in relation to commercial terms at Western Sydney Stadium are ongoing,” a spokesman for VenuesLive said. “Every attempt is being made to strike a deal in time for the release of the 2019 NRL draw.”

Parramatta management is adamant it will not accept the current proposal, mindful the previous regime paid what the new board considers ‘overs’ for their arrangement with ANZ Stadium.

“The reality is rugby league clubs haven’t got good stadium deals,” Gurr said. “We haven’t made much on our core business of putting on rugby league games. We’re trying to change that in a fair and reasonable way.”

The drama is the first major backlash against the $300 million venue, which was almost universally welcomed despite criticism of the infrastructure spending on the redevelopments of Allianz and ANZ Stadiums.

“This is an embarrassing failure for the Berejiklian government,” said shadow minister for sport Lynda Voltz. “Pricing out Western Sydney’s flagship NRL team from the Western Sydney Stadium has revealed how poorly managed their stadiums plan is.


“The treatment of the current tenants of Pirtek Stadium is a taste of what other sports can expect under the Berejiklian government’s stadiums strategy.”

Gurr said it was important to strike a fair deal so the Eels could invest in their football department.

Parramatta playmaker Mitchell Moses said he was hopeful the situation could be resolved to ensure the side had a big home-ground advantage next season.

“It’s going to be massive, playing in front of your home fans,” Moses said. “I like playing at ANZ, but to have a ground we can call home is something big and I’m very excited about it. I don’t know too much about (the WSS issue), but hopefully it gets sorted.”
 

GongPanther

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lulz.

This is why new stadiums should be an 80-100 year investment. Not a 30 or 40.

Feel bad for Parra. They already had a totally adequate stadium.
Most stadiums in the US have a lifespan of app 25-30 years for safety reasons. The exception being L.A.'s Olympic Stadium. The Parra and SFS stadiums I assume were just about ready to cash in structurally.
 

Quicksilver

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25-30 years for “safety”

Hahahaha yeah right.

Every bridge and other piece of civil infrastructure in the US is about to fall down but their main concern is the safety of a 25 year old concrete football stadium....

In the USA the NFL franchises will basically hold the home city to ransom to build a new stadium or they’ll move. It’s a bit of a different situation there with the population size etc. But even then, it’s proving uneconomical for the cities to keep handing out for those teams. And they are waking up to it. The ROI is not worth it.
 

franklin2323

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You would of thought the Stadium would of sorted this stuff when Parra was listed as a Tennant. Only in Aust can we mess up such things
 

El Diablo

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25-30 years for “safety”

Hahahaha yeah right.

Every bridge and other piece of civil infrastructure in the US is about to fall down but their main concern is the safety of a 25 year old concrete football stadium....

In the USA the NFL franchises will basically hold the home city to ransom to build a new stadium or they’ll move. It’s a bit of a different situation there with the population size etc. But even then, it’s proving uneconomical for the cities to keep handing out for those teams. And they are waking up to it. The ROI is not worth it.
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Timmah

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25-30 years for “safety”

Hahahaha yeah right.

Every bridge and other piece of civil infrastructure in the US is about to fall down but their main concern is the safety of a 25 year old concrete football stadium....

In the USA the NFL franchises will basically hold the home city to ransom to build a new stadium or they’ll move. It’s a bit of a different situation there with the population size etc. But even then, it’s proving uneconomical for the cities to keep handing out for those teams. And they are waking up to it. The ROI is not worth it.
A bridge in Italy built in 1967 just collapsed and killed a bunch of people. 51 years old, not replaced anywhere near soon enough.

But yeah, let's just never renew infrastructure.
 

Timbo

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A bridge in Italy built in 1967 just collapsed and killed a bunch of people. 51 years old, not replaced anywhere near soon enough.

But yeah, let's just never renew infrastructure.

I think the point that’s being driven at is that that if a stadium is engineered properly, you don’t need to tear it down after 25 years for ‘safety’. Otherwise you’d also be tearing down every other building on earth that handles a large volume of people every twenty years.

And that Perth Red is an idiot who doesn’t understand anything about the economics of sport.
 

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