The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[taipan]

Why would I talk art on a Rugby League forum?

It’s not a subject I’m at all familiar with so I’m not in a position to critique it. It may or may not be money well spent. I don’t mind taking the odd stroll through the gallery though. It can be thought provoking.

I do regularly attend sport and I frequent the SFS. There is nothing that screams that the place should be torn down.

That's not the point.The point is protesting about Govt expenditure.The $244m is for the few not the many.
You don't have to be familiar with it, plain and simply, it's also taxpayers' money, of which you are no doubt one.

Read what I staled about the preference for refurbishment..I guess you "ain;'t " a female and thus have not used the women's facilities, ask them.

 

[siv]

What gets me about the old Sports Ground land, is how its been used

The gold member car park should be a multi deck car park with proper entrance exits onto Moore Park Rd

Instead its being transformed into offices be it League Central or that Rugby building

 

[herbert henry1908]

Refurbishment would have been better idea thus I agree.The womens' toilets or lack of them , are a disgrace.The food and bar areas need upgrading to cater for crowds to prevent huge queues.The cover is just about non existent ,even in the better seats.
Took my daughter to the Sharks v Cows semis in 2016. She noted the queues in the toilets were ordinary and dated.The crowd was est 38,000.
Crowds dropped off for many reasons, but access, and lack of cover and old facilities do not encourage families nor others.I've been drenched at the place ,at an SOO years ago, and I was in the middle of the middle row .

Anyway looking forward to G/Fs,SOO and overseas acts going elsewhere.

Refurbishment is a bad idea, you’d be looking at hundreds of millions of dollars that won’t but you as much time as a rebuild. It’s bad value for money.

This isn’t a structure that can easily be modified, it’d be major work. Everywhere you look there’s reinforced concrete, absolute nightmare to try and modify.

 

[herbert henry1908]

What gets me about the old Sports Ground land, is how its been used

The gold member car park should be a multi deck car park with proper entrance exits onto Moore Park Rd

Instead its being transformed into offices be it League Central or that Rugby building

Part of the over the top $730m spend is an underground car park I think.

This whole thing could’ve been done so much cheaper without the trust.

 

[taipan]

Refurbishment is a bad idea, you’d be looking at hundreds of millions of dollars that won’t but you as much time as a rebuild. It’s bad value for money.

This isn’t a structure that can easily be modified, it’d be major work. Everywhere you look there’s reinforced concrete, absolute nightmare to try and modify.

I understand those points.Trouble is I believe Daley will get in and the best one can hope for ,is refurbishment or else left with a half demolished SFS looking like Baghdad after a bombing run.
We certainly won't get a new stadium after he has put his body on the line and committed to not spending one cent.
If Glady's Govt has an ounce of grey matter ,she should be spelling out exactly where the $200bn she has spent on hospitals etc.Their PR is hopeless.

 

[TheFrog]

She noted the queues in the toilets were ordinary and dated.

It wouldn't be all that difficult to add more toilets to the existing structure. One wonders why they got this so wrong in 1988 and why the problem has only come to light in recent times. It would have been built to specifications provided by the SCG Trust/Govt of the day.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I understand those points.Trouble is I believe Daley will get in and the best one can hope for ,is refurbishment or else left with a half demolished SFS looking like Baghdad after a bombing run.
We certainly won't get a new stadium after he has put his body on the line and committed to not spending one cent.
If Glady's Govt has an once of grey matter ,she should be spelling out exactly where the $200bn she has spent on hospitals etc.Their PR is hopeless.

If it’s half demolished the job will be finished. Too much of the structure would likely be damaged to just come in & modify it.


There’s an easy out for Daley. He just secures a low interest loan for the SCG trust, a few years later the govt repay the debt themselves. Once the heat has gone out of this thing no one will notice.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It wouldn't be all that difficult to add more toilets to the existing structure. One wonders why they got this so wrong in 1988 and why the problem has only come to light in recent times. It would have been built to specifications provided by the SCG Trust/Govt of the day.

Simple.

Vastly more women are now attending sporting events, they didn’t foresee that change. In the 1980’s it was a very blokey atmosphere.

If the toilets were the only thing wrong with it then of course you’d just modify the existing structure, but it’s just one of several issues.

Also, they didn’t get this wrong in 1988. The stadium was designed in 1984, it opened in 1988.

 

[TheFrog]

Once the heat has gone out of this thing no one will notice.

I'm not so sure about that. It would be used against him as a broken promise in a subsequent election, just as he'll use the demolition in the shadows of an election as a sign of arrogance in his political opponents.

Also, they didn’t get this wrong in 1988. The stadium was designed in 1984, it opened in 1988.

OK they got it wrong in 1984. What's the difference? Imagine if they had to tear down the Opera House, opened in 1973, because there weren't enough toilets.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I'm not so sure about that. It would be used against him as a broken promise in a subsequent election, just as he'll use the demolition in the shadows of an election as a sign of arrogance in his political opponents.

The liberals couldn’t push hard on the broken promise because they were the ones who wanted the unpopular stadium in the first place. People don’t remember what happened last month, let alone a few years ago. The heat will totally go out of the stadium issue in 2-3 years.

OK they got it wrong in 1984. What's the difference? Imagine if they had to tear down the Opera House, opened in 1973, because there weren't enough toilets.

I’m just correcting the record. It’s a 35 year old design.

Comparing a utilitarian building to the opera house is a bit silly, isn’t it? Opera house is famous for its appearance, why its heritage listed. Obviously you’d modify a building like that. Even if it cost a truckload.

As I just stated, and you conveniently ignored, the toilets aren’t the only issue. No one is advocating tearing down the SFS because there aren’t enough female toilets. They’re advocating tearing it down because it’s one of several problems.

 

[Quicksilver]

Simple.

Vastly more women are now attending sporting events, they didn’t foresee that change. In the 1980’s it was a very blokey atmosphere.

If the toilets were the only thing wrong with it then of course you’d just modify the existing structure, but it’s just one of several issues.

Also, they didn’t get this wrong in 1988. The stadium was designed in 1984, it opened in 1988.

That sounds like complete tripe to me.

It was built in 1988 not 1928.

With a sold out game did they expect it to be 90% men? I was going to the football in 1988 and there were many, many women in attendance.

Also, the stadium is used for other purposes like concerts. Did they think that a New Kids on the Block concert was going to be attended by 90% men?

 

[taipan]

It wouldn't be all that difficult to add more toilets to the existing structure. One wonders why they got this so wrong in 1988 and why the problem has only come to light in recent times. It would have been built to specifications provided by the SCG Trust/Govt of the day.

The architect got it wrong for a start.More concerned about the aesthetic appearance than the practicality.Not to overshadow the SCG.

It was built to handle crowds around the 30-35,000 mark, that was the remit given to the architect. He (Cox) then went his own merry way ,to achieve seating for those numbers, and his imagination did the rest.
One thing it is close to the action a plus.But when the overwhelming majority of people get soaked when it rains ,despite paying premium money, says something.

Rip the old toilets out and add and refurbish.Who knows whether they can do that, without major construction anyway?

When it was built we had no such thing as terrorist attacks, where people had to get out promptly.The exits are inadequate for any major incident.There is some report according to Govt, that says there are major issues.

If rugby league was the only tenant,I'd say forget it.It's plainly not.

 

[El Diablo]

That sounds like complete tripe to me.

It was built in 1988 not 1928.

With a sold out game did they expect it to be 90% men? I was going to the football in 1988 and there were many, many women in attendance.

Also, the stadium is used for other purposes like concerts. Did they think that a New Kids on the Block concert was going to be attended by 90% men?

every post you make is tripe

 

[taipan]

If it’s half demolished the job will be finished. Too much of the structure would likely be damaged to just come in & modify it.


There’s an easy out for Daley. He just secures a low interest loan for the SCG trust, a few years later the govt repay the debt themselves. Once the heat has gone out of this thing no one will notice.

Hope you're right.

According to that Shepherd(Giants) gimp on the SCG Trust, they are lucky to make $2m pa profit.
Repayments on a low interest loan would taken an eternity, and I just can't see Daley coming in to assist down the line,FitzSimons would be leading a revolution in the streets.

Rest assured if Rugby Union was filling stadiums in Sydney, his anti stadium stance would be a whisper.
Soccer has huge junior numbers in Sydney, and yet you can't see or hear from Gallop.Must be Sydney's smog.

 

[herbert henry1908]

That sounds like complete tripe to me.

It was built in 1988 not 1928.

With a sold out game did they expect it to be 90% men? I was going to the football in 1988 and there were many, many women in attendance.

Also, the stadium is used for other purposes like concerts. Did they think that a New Kids on the Block concert was going to be attended by 90% men?

It’s well known there’s a lack of female toilets there, anyone whose been there of recent can tell you this. It’s undisputed.

I don’t know what they were thinking when they built it, but they didn’t install enough female toilets.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Hope you're right.

According to that Shepherd(Giants) gimp on the SCG Trust, they are lucky to make $2m pa profit.
Repayments on a low interest loan would taken an eternity, and I just can't see Daley coming in to assist down the line,FitzSimons would be leading a revolution in the streets.

Rest assured if Rugby Union was filling stadiums in Sydney, his anti stadium stance would be a whisper.
Soccer has huge junior numbers in Sydney, and yet you can't see or hear from Gallop.Must be Sydney's smog.

People will move on to the next outrage, they always do.

The most likely outcome if labor win is a reduced capacity or reduced spend on Allianz, there’s no way he’ll leave a hole in the ground. He’ll dump the ANZ refurbishment & claim he’s saved $1 billion.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Allianz stadium has just 48 women’s toilets

48!!

Can anyone seriously argue this is enough?

28 wheelchair seats. This is disgraceful, in 2018 disabled people must have better access.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Just 48 women's toilets?

That's it, invest five billion dollars into this stadium now.

 

[Timbo]

That sounds like complete tripe to me.

It was built in 1988 not 1928.

With a sold out game did they expect it to be 90% men? I was going to the football in 1988 and there were many, many women in attendance.

Also, the stadium is used for other purposes like concerts. Did they think that a New Kids on the Block concert was going to be attended by 90% men?

Every argument you have boils down to ‘I have been to this stadium, and I think it’s ok’.

Allianz stadium has just 48 women’s toilets

48!!

Can anyone seriously argue this is enough?

28 wheelchair seats. This is disgraceful, in 2018 disabled people must have better access.

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But mate, someone said five posts ago he went to a game there and it’s fine!

 

[El Diablo]

Can anyone seriously argue this is enough?

quicksilver says this is false