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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

unforgiven

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you asked the question mate.
Probably didn't come across but I was highlighting my point from a previous post about the stadium being setup with preference to the corporates.

That is one thing I do not like about the new stadium, it panders a little too much to the elite for my liking, descent affordable seating on the western side should be a priority in all rectangular stadiums in my opinion.

I was actually responding to your post about people being pissed off about their seats.

Corporate facilities being all on one side has its pros and cons. I’m sure there’s some pissed off long time members that have been sitting in good seats in the old parra western that are gonna feel pretty jaded when they were told they won’t have the same seats at the new joint and get moved somewhere completely different.
 

taipan

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Why on Earth not? Both State taxpayer expenditures that lose money (everything else gets sold off). One has to keep going until its stuffed, the other gets replaced mid-life.


Stadiums have longer lifespans without the wear and tear trains have which create safety issues..
Stadiums cater for tens of thousands of people at once and stadiums use product mostly Oz made.Concrete,steel and local labour.

It just so happens ANZ is not a rectangular one and needs upgrading, and the SFS either needs a decent upgrade or a pulldown.

Decent stadiums have far better chances of making a profit, than the railways .The SCG Trust makes $2m pa profit, for one winter and one summer code, plus the SFS.And I dare say the Bankwest Stadium will run at a profit.

Whilst Sydney roads are overcrowded, so are Sydney trains and you are packed like sardines.Sydney trains don't bring in overseas or Interstate visitors, new or decent stadiums do for events.

The Govt has or will be spending $200b over 4 years on hospitals etc.Other states have decent up graded or modern rectangular and oval stadiums fit for the codes involved.We don't.

SFS has safety and amenities issues, which I understand will not improve.
If the Govt was neglecting hospitals and schools greatly,I'd have no argument.They are also spending on light rail, tunnels for rail, new roads ,toward a new airport,Art Gallery expansion, they are hardly in deep financial poo.
 

taipan

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They buy train carriages from China and Korea these last 20 years or so. All the heavy engineering here is long gone. No-one makes a penny.

So much for providing work for local people in Sydney and NSW.Thus teh comparison with stadiums as i stated is flawed.

Stadiums are not mechanical or technological contraptions in the main,.They are concrete ,steel, glass,grass, all produced here in this country.The populace benefits not only from the finished product ,but actually making and assembling it.
 

Timbo

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So much for providing work for local people in Sydney and NSW.Thus teh comparison with stadiums as i stated is flawed.

Stadiums are not mechanical or technological contraptions in the main,.They are concrete ,steel, glass,grass, all produced here in this country.The populace benefits not only from the finished product ,but actually making and assembling it.

Well, excluding the roof of WIN Stadium’s newest stand.
 

beave

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from Oriolus over at skyscraper city, the most recent NQ pics

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beave

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some overall plans of the NQ stadium precinct. The hotel next door starts to get built in January and is supposed to be ready by rd1 2020 but I have my doubts that it will be finished in time.

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Timmah

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some overall plans of the NQ stadium precinct. The hotel next door starts to get built in January and is supposed to be ready by january but I have my doubts that it will be finished in time.

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I presume you mean starts Jan 2019 and ready Jan 2020.

And it wouldn't surprise me if it does, those things go up quickly.
 

Suitman

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The soccer club? Won't last a decade.

Lol. Good luck with that.
They are up to season 7 already and will positively prosper when they get back to Parra, just like the Eels will.
In fact, they'll be playing more games a season there than the Eels.

For the record, a comparison of crowd averages since Wanderers inception is below.

WSW.

2012/2013 - 14749
2013/2014 - 15171
2014/2015 - 12520
2015/2016 - 14711
2016/2017 - 17746
2017/2018 - 11924

Eels

2012 - 17021
2013 - 14319
2014 - 17803
2015 - 15384
2016 - 16739
2017 - 15288
2018 - 13905

To reply to your statement that they won't last 10 years. Wanna put money on that?
 

TheFrog

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You always seem to focus on a single issue for why the stadiums shouldn’t be done. The other day it was toilets, today it’s the roof. But as many of us have said, it’s all these things rolled into one.
Actually I'm responding to reasons being given for it being necessary to knock it down, things I wouldn't have thought terminal.
 

Timmah

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Lol. Good luck with that.
They are up to season 7 already and will positively prosper when they get back to Parra, just like the Eels will.
In fact, they'll be playing more games a season there than the Eels.

For the record, a comparison of crowd averages since Wanderers inception is below.

WSW.

2012/2013 - 14749
2013/2014 - 15171
2014/2015 - 12520
2015/2016 - 14711
2016/2017 - 17746
2017/2018 - 11924

Eels

2012 - 17021
2013 - 14319
2014 - 17803
2015 - 15384
2016 - 16739
2017 - 15288
2018 - 13905

To reply to your statement that they won't last 10 years. Wanna put money on that?
While I doubt WSW are going anywhere any time soon, your statement of strength is misleading at best.

There are significant club-wide issues and lots of supporters have walked away through the rebuild, a combination of Spotless being a hot trash can of a venue, along with the clubs results heading south - not to mention the apparent deterioration between the RBB and the club.

It's probably worth noting for statistics' sake that the 2016/17 average for the Wanderers includes two Sydney derbies at ANZ - 61k and 44k... with the remaining Spotless crowds topping out at 14k.
 

Suitman

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While I doubt WSW are going anywhere any time soon, your statement of strength is misleading at best.

There are significant club-wide issues and lots of supporters have walked away through the rebuild, a combination of Spotless being a hot trash can of a venue, along with the clubs results heading south - not to mention the apparent deterioration between the RBB and the club.

It's probably worth noting for statistics' sake that the 2016/17 average for the Wanderers includes two Sydney derbies at ANZ - 61k and 44k... with the remaining Spotless crowds topping out at 14k.

Whilst I agree with most of your points, I must reiterate that I wasn't particularly making a statement of strength about the WSW's and the A-League. My point was that in no way will they disappear in a decade. There is, and has been enough evidence that they will survive beyond this period of mediocrity due to recent years of poor table results. The same can be said about the Eels, although they indeed have a strong Leagues Club and more history behind them.
The Wanderers are going nowhere. One flippant comment from one troll was enough for me to reply with a few facts to back up my statement. I'm glad you agree that the Wanderers won't be going anywhere soon, which was my original point. Nothing more.
 

TheEroticGamer

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They need success now to cement themselves. A 0-0 draw with a saudi arabian pub team in the derka dersh championship final isn't going to hold their fans over forever.
 

Saint Doc

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/re...d-final-away-from-sydney-20181209-p50l5j.html

Revealed: Rival states offer $10 million to lure grand final away from Sydney

Roy Masters10 December 2018 — 12:00am
The NRL can more than double the money it makes from the Sydney grand final and Origin matches if these big games are taken interstate, according to data which demonstrates the value of major sporting events to rival cities.

Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and New Zealand are willing to pay the NRL to move the big games away from Sydney because their economic impact justifies the outlay.

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Stadium stoush: The future of Allianz Stadium is key to the NRL's long-term plans for the grand final.Peter Rae

NSW Opposition Leader Michael Daley has declared he will not be bullied by NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg, who has said he will shift Sydney’s big games interstate if an incoming Labor government cancels plans for stadium rebuilds.

Daley clearly believes the NRL will continue to stage the grand final at ANZ Stadium because it is unaffected by his freeze on funding of a rebuild of Allianz Stadium at Moore Park. However, two figures demonstrate Greenberg is not making an idle threat.

Firstly, the NRL receives about $4 million from the NSW government to stage the grand final in Sydney. Greenberg’s office has already fielded bids from Queensland, Victoria and New Zealand to take the game to their capitals or country. Their initial offers are around $10m to shift the grand final away from Sydney for the first time.

Secondly, a Sydney grand final generates about $20m economic benefit to the NSW capital while a State of Origin match staged in Melbourne impacts $40m on the Victorian economy. In other words, if a state receives twice as much benefit in hotel, restaurant and transport use, as well as the jobs they create, then the government of that state can afford to pay the sport twice as much to win hosting rights to these big games.

An NRL grand final played at the MCG may not attract as much interest in Victoria as an Origin match but a Queensland government would lodge a high initial bid for the NRL decider, allowing Greenberg to auction the game.

Melbourne prides itself on being the sporting capital of the known universe and is willing to pay for the privilege of the title. Its citizens seem to consider it their civic duty to attend sporting events, particularly those held in the city for the first time. Remember 87,000 at the first Origin match at the MCG in 1994?

A quarter century later, Origin still draws that attendance. Based on recent Victorian data an estimated 30 per cent are interstate and international visitors who specifically travel to the event. This year’s match at the MCG remains the No.1 television program in 2018 with 3.4m plus viewers.

The brand halo effect for a city which also boasts it is the capital of the country’s most attended sport (AFL) is not lost on Victorian Treasurer Tim Pallas, who ironically is an NRL supporter.

There are also non-pecuniary benefits to a sport. The NRL is committed to expansion and promoting itself as a national code. It has already scheduled Origin matches in Perth and Adelaide, as well as transferring one entire NRL round next season to Brisbane’s Suncorp Stadium. Furthermore, it does not have to endure the annual anguish over Sydney’s notoriously fickle market and whether it will fill ANZ Stadium.

An interstate game can sell out in days. The house full sign to next year’s Origin match in Perth’s new stadium is close to going up and the game is six months away. However, the NRL is willing to accept $4m, or less than half what other states will bid, to retain the grand final and one Origin match in Sydney for the next 25 years, provided the NSW government honours a binding memorandum of understanding to proceed with stadium rebuilds.

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Labor leader Michael Daley opposes the rebuild of Allianz Stadium.AAP

The code is locked into a deal to stage the NRL grand final at Homebush for 2019 but can then take the best offer.

If an embarrassed NSW government countered with say $15m to beat off rival cities, then who would pay? The NSW taxpayer, the same guy who is being fed the bluster there is no long-term economic gain in state-of-the-art sporting facilities.

Detail is not available on the economic impact NRL major events have on the Queensland economy but last season’s other big games, including the Perth double-header, generated more than $80m in the rest of Australia. The Sydney Origin match and the 2018 grand final impacted half of that total.

The trend is clear. As rival capitals build new stadiums and the transport networks to integrate them, Sydney will lose major events in other codes as well. Rugby union has promised to play Bledisloe Cup matches in Sydney for the next 10 years and FFA has undertaken to stage its major games in the NSW capital for the next 12 years if stadium rebuilds proceed.

However, rugby league, which began in Sydney 110 years ago, will be the first to take its annual decider interstate, accepting the big fee while simultaneously promoting itself as a national code.

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Roy Masters is a Sports Columnist for The Sydney Morning Herald.
 

Timbo

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I think there will have to be a compromise made here. The economic hit Sydney would take from losing all of those matches across all three codes would be massive.

However, Daley is an idiot whose entire policy book seems to be 'The coalition are doing that, so I won't', so I who knows.
 

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