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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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There is no logical reason to build a new stadium at Moore Park.
Yes,the SFS needs a refurbishment,but it will be a MONUMENTAL waste of money if the planned Kippax Lake Stadium went ahead.
New corporate facililties,New roof,maybe even new lower bowl closer to the sidelines.
Its worth it to spend and upgrade

Sydney Olympic Park is perfect for Sydney.
Build the tram line.
Put on more DIRECT trains ,bypassing the Lidcombe link
Build more train platforms!.One for Western and one for Eastern.The two platforms on big game days does get overcrowded.

And last but not least.Rebuild ANZ to the proposed 75,000 seat stadium.

the sydney metropolitan needs a north-south rail connection through Strathfield. it's not just for events at olympic park but the the metropolitan to function effectively now and into the future. the north end is already in place........a connection from Hurstville to Strathfield needs to be built. there's a reason why homebush bay drive/king georges road and the princes hwy through arncliffe/tempe are the f**king pits each and every f**king day. everyone of these merkins that needs to get north-south through the middle of the metro has to get into a f**kin car.

world city? sydney is a joke tbh.
 

bazza

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Our ground isn't as bad as Brookie atleast and the population is going to boom out here.
The booming population will continue to support their old teams playing out of modern stadiums in accessible locations rather than the local team that rarely features on TV and plays at a ground that they have never been to
 

franklin2323

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The booming population will continue to support their old teams playing out of modern stadiums in accessible locations rather than the local team that rarely features on TV and plays at a ground that they have never been to

You have just listed why we can't go to ANZ fully. We would be swallowed by the bigger clubs. we need to communiity out here to stay with the side
 

CC_Roosters

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So its almost D-day. Lets hope the clubs hold out and make this ayers bloke look like an idiot. Losing all of the funding is a better solution than the current proposals for rugby league.

The questiom i want answered is how they be so determined to build a new stadium when the proposed site on the centennial park land will never get theough planning.

Rugby league gets nothing from a moore park new build. It merely exacerbates the current problems as ANZ would stay as it is and we just see more empty seats at moore park in a ground nobody outside the current tennants want to play. I would go as far to say that ayers proposal endangers the future of many sydney clubs and risks alienating the attending fans even further. Geography and infastructure make moore park a nightmare for 95% of sydney siders. The new moore park stadium would benefit the ARU/Waratahs, possibly the FFA/Sydneu fc but not at all the NRL.
 

bazza

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in contrast with the NRL, i'd say only Souths, Tigers and perhaps St George have really got that real spread of support outside their district. most of the other clubs in Sydney draw a lot of their support from the districts they intended to represent......Canterbury in Canterbury, Bankstown (with the addition of Liverpool) - Parramatta in the Hills - Cronulla in the shire - Manly in the northern beaches, etc................the districts the sydney clubs represent are all fairly large to sustain this...........except perhaps the roosters.
I would say that Parra, Dogs, Roosters and Manly have plenty of supporters outside of their local areas
Places like the Sutherland shire would be 50% Sharks fans and the rest split between teams like Saints, Dogs and Souths
Similarly Penrith would be 50% Panthers fans and the rest Parra, Dogs, Souths
The problem with Sharks and Penrith is they don't have many fans outside their region - though I think this will change as kids grow up and move to more desirable areas.
Hopefully they play a few games close by so that these fans will stay attached to the club
 

siv

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The stadium policy works for the AFL in Melbourne because the club the furthest distance from where they play (Essendon to Etihad) is about a 15 minute train ride. All the other teams 'spiritual' homes are closer than that.

The League equivalent would be if the Sydney clubs were still Annandale, Newtown, Glebe, etc.

Maybe the should upgrade Wentworth Park
 

franklin2323

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So its almost D-day. Lets hope the clubs hold out and make this ayers bloke look like an idiot. Losing all of the funding is a better solution than the current proposals for rugby league.

The questiom i want answered is how they be so determined to build a new stadium when the proposed site on the centennial park land will never get theough planning.

Rugby league gets nothing from a moore park new build. It merely exacerbates the current problems as ANZ would stay as it is and we just see more empty seats at moore park in a ground nobody outside the current tennants want to play. I would go as far to say that ayers proposal endangers the future of many sydney clubs and risks alienating the attending fans even further. Geography and infastructure make moore park a nightmare for 95% of sydney siders. The new moore park stadium would benefit the ARU/Waratahs, possibly the FFA/Sydneu fc but not at all the NRL.

I fail to see where these new supporters and sponsors will come from that some are saying there is. We need to keep the core fans and bring new one's in
 

big hit!

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So its almost D-day. Lets hope the clubs hold out and make this ayers bloke look like an idiot. Losing all of the funding is a better solution than the current proposals for rugby league.

The questiom i want answered is how they be so determined to build a new stadium when the proposed site on the centennial park land will never get theough planning.

Rugby league gets nothing from a moore park new build. It merely exacerbates the current problems as ANZ would stay as it is and we just see more empty seats at moore park in a ground nobody outside the current tennants want to play. I would go as far to say that ayers proposal endangers the future of many sydney clubs and risks alienating the attending fans even further. Geography and infastructure make moore park a nightmare for 95% of sydney siders. The new moore park stadium would benefit the ARU/Waratahs, possibly the FFA/Sydneu fc but not at all the NRL.

the FFA don't want a rebuilt SFS......neither do SFC........

the former want a reconfigured rectangular major stadium at olympic park

and the latter would be concerned just as much as the roosters about where to play their home games, and the same issues of empty seats for all games except the derby against western suburbs.

sfs needs an update.....perhaps even a reduction in capacity to 30-35k so some money should be spent on it.

but ayres is obviously in line for some perk or bonus from the trust or an individual on the board for him to be strongly pushing a proposal which is logically ill-suited to the metropolitan as a whole, and against the wishes of the sports associations and the majority of the residents in the metro.

Stuart Ayres....Member for Penrith......state MP. yeah right. obviously not as much a priority as being a member of his self-managed super fund.
 
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That may of helped but a few guys that sit near me at home games refuse to go to away games. I doubt that will even get them to go.

We can fund our own stadium soon enough anyway. So even if the new Penrith Staduim isn't built we will be fine. Our ground isn't as bad as Brookie atleast and the population is going to boom out here. I think we can leave it a few years and hopefully build our core supporters up before making the move


We should be able to fund some type of quality upgrade , the $22m spent on the academy was all Penrith money.

The stumbling block will be ownership of the stadium , panthers will want some equity if they're going to put big money in.



But I doubt we'd be able to self fund to the tune of a $250m stadium.

So if it meant getting that stadium I'd be all for taking a few games away to ANZ or parra.
 

franklin2323

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We should be able to fund some type of quality upgrade , the $22m spent on the academy was all Penrith money.

The stumbling block will be ownership of the stadium , panthers will want some equity if they're going to put big money in.



But I doubt we'd be able to self fund to the tune of a $250m stadium.

So if it meant getting that stadium I'd be all for taking a few games away to ANZ or parra.

The issue with us getting one is the population will be like 4m in 10 years but who would be the other tennants to make it worth it for the government? Our money we can build another stand atleast and can have more space for the corporates etc
 

BlueandGold

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So its almost D-day. Lets hope the clubs hold out and make this ayers bloke look like an idiot. Losing all of the funding is a better solution than the current proposals for rugby league.

The questiom i want answered is how they be so determined to build a new stadium when the proposed site on the centennial park land will never get theough planning.

Rugby league gets nothing from a moore park new build. It merely exacerbates the current problems as ANZ would stay as it is and we just see more empty seats at moore park in a ground nobody outside the current tennants want to play. I would go as far to say that ayers proposal endangers the future of many sydney clubs and risks alienating the attending fans even further. Geography and infastructure make moore park a nightmare for 95% of sydney siders. The new moore park stadium would benefit the ARU/Waratahs, possibly the FFA/Sydneu fc but not at all the NRL.

He needs to be removed, he does not care for the future of sport in NSW, he only cares about what he can do for his mates at the SCG Trust.
 
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The booming population will continue to support their old teams playing out of modern stadiums in accessible locations rather than the local team that rarely features on TV and plays at a ground that they have never been to

It's up to the panthers to get their kids to support us , something which is very viable with school visits etc.

3 of my nephews support teams that aren't their fathers simply because those teams are local.
 
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The issue with us getting one is the population will be like 4m in 10 years but who would be the other tennants to make it worth it for the government? Our money we can build another stand atleast and can have more space for the corporates etc

We should definitely be planning for both options , you never know what can happen.

But I agree without a second tenant it'll make it hard.

WSW don't seem to like playing out of Penrith at all which is a blow. (Despite us having the bedpost pitch around)
 
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The plot thickens. The following was posted on the Sydney Morning Herald's website earlier today -

The Allianz Stadium option the SCG Trust and Stuart Ayres dumped

Date: April 7, 2016 - 9:34AM
by Jacob Saulwick
City Editor

Three years after the Sydney Cricket & Sports Ground Trust wanted to upgrade the "iconic" Allianz Stadium at Moore Park, the trust and the NSW Sports Minister's determination to dismantle the stadium is driving a bitter feud in Sydney's sporting world.

With the majority of NRL clubs preferring Allianz Stadium to be upgraded rather than replaced, minister Stuart Ayres and the powerful trust are insisting on knocking the stadium down.

But, just three years ago, the trust was promoting plans to refurbish Allianz Stadium into a "world-class contemporary fully covered multi-use venue".

"Allianz Stadium will become Australia's first fully covered naturally lit rectangular stadium with natural turf," a promotional video advertising the trust's 2013 master plan said.

"The new roof represents the latest in technology and innovation, while maintaining the iconic nature of the existing venue," says the video, removed from the trust's website but obtained by ABC Radio National's Background Briefing program.

The irony of the emergence of the 2013 plan is that this is now the proposal Mr Ayres and the trust are determined to avoid.

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Cross-section of the earlier upgrade plans for Allianz Stadium, a plan the SCG Trust and Sports Minister Stuart Ayres are now determined to avoid Photo: SCG Trust

The earlier policy also accords with the current preference of Sydney's NRL clubs. Many of the clubs see their demographic future in Sydney's west, closer to ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park, and clubs are also worried about traffic and transport around Moore Park in the city's east.

Fairfax Media has previously reported that Premier Mike Baird asked the trust late last year to investigate a refurbishment of Allianz Stadium - along the lines of the trust's previous plans for the stadium, which it now disowns.

The reason for the trust and Mr Ayres' change of policy, it would seem, is that in 2013 it was not possible to promote the idea of a new stadium at Moore Park.

A "material adverse effects" clause with the owners of the ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park prevents a major new stadium from being built in Sydney.

But the government has now decided to buy the lease of ANZ Stadium, meaning that, when it does, there would be no restrictions on the size or scale of a new stadium.

"In 2013, the SCG Trust and the NSW government were constrained by the material adverse effects clause resulting from the agreement with ANZ Stadium," a spokesman for Mr Ayres said.

"The prospect of public ownership of ANZ Stadium has allowed the SCG Trust to reconsider their master plan and put forward a truly world-class stadium for the sports fans of Sydney," the spokesman said.

Mr Ayres has since threatened NRL clubs with the prospect of losing about a billion dollars of the government's $1.6 billion stadium funding if they do not sign up to the proposal that includes a brand new stadium at Moore Park.

"If we aren't able to reach a resolution, and I have said this to the NRL, the additional $1 billion the government has allocated ... is at risk," Mr Ayres told The Daily Telegraph on Wednesday.

At a meeting on Friday, Sydney NRL clubs said they wanted about half the promised $1.6 billion to be spent on turning ANZ Stadium into a proper rectangular football venue. That would leave only about $400 million to be spent on an upgrade to Allianz Stadium, while a new stadium at Parramatta would also be built.

But the clubs' position is being resisted by powerful figures in the NRL hierarchy.

For instance, the NRL's head of strategy and investment, former Queensland Labor treasurer Andrew Fraser, and former Liberal staffer and NRL government relations chief Jaymes Boland-Rudder are understood to both back Mr Ayres and the trust's preferred new stadium at Moore Park.

Despite the 2013 promotional video's glowing account of what a refurbishment of Allianz would look like, Mr Ayres has been dismissive of the idea.

Speaking to Fairfax Media in February, Mr Ayres said Allianz Stadium "performs incredibly badly".

"The structure and shape of the stadium just no longer functions to anywhere near a modern standard."

Labor's spokeswoman on sport, Lynda Voltz, said of the emergence of the Allianz upgrade video: "You can't have a plan two years ago and now say that doesn't work.

"That defies logic," she said.

The dispute over whether more stadium funds are spent at Moore Park or in Olympic Park comes amid continuing uncertainty over where any new stadium would be built at Moore Park.

For instance the Australian Rugby Union and the Waratahs have both backed a new stadium at Moore Park, but said they would prefer Allianz Stadium to remain standing while the new stadium was built.

That could only occur if the new stadium was built on land managed by the neighbouring Centennial and Moore Park Trust.

Doing so would be contrary to the government's own policy of requiring a new stadium to be built on SCG Trust land. And a change of policy would create a sure-fire political brouhaha, with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull among a number of prominent locals who have previously resisted land grabs by the SCG Trust.

Ms Volz said: "The SCG Trust is still trying to get access to Centennial Park Trust land, otherwise they would stick to the plan they had, which is to refurbish the existing stadium."

Asked about the SCG Trust's change in policy on Allianz Stadium - from promoting to dismissing a refurbishment - a spokesman said the trust "continues to work closely with the Baird government and other stakeholders on the future of sporting infrastructure in NSW".

The SCG Trust board includes business figures Tony Shepherd and Maurice Newman, broadcaster Alan Jones, and former NSW premier Barry O'Farrell.

The 2013 plan for a redeveloped Allianz Stadium includes an "interactive LED facade mesh, providing Sydney's largest public video screen".

The plan also includes a new podium built around the outside of the stadium to house new retail facilities.
If you want to see the video which is mentioned in the article, you will need to go to the article on the SMH website.

p.s.

Looks like I was wrong. I thought I'd read previously the Waratahs did not want a new stadium at Moore Park.
 
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JonnoM

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What waste a new 55,000 seat stadium at Moore Park would be.
Parking is sh**
Public transport is sh**

Too big for Rooters
Too big for Rugby and Soccer
Too small for Origin
Too small for GF
 

franklin2323

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We should definitely be planning for both options , you never know what can happen.

But I agree without a second tenant it'll make it hard.

WSW don't seem to like playing out of Penrith at all which is a blow. (Despite us having the bedpost pitch around)

I am not against playing at Parra for the big game but we can't even fill Pepper now. We need to reguarly fill what have now before we can even think of moving games to bigger venues. I reckon 25% or so won't go that's not an issue with a bigger regular fanbase. atm we only get 8k that are regualars. We double that then possibly
 
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ANZ/Parra should be the main focus, ANZ as a rectangular stadium would have more tenants and greater potential to draw bigger crowds than Allinaz. The likes of Souths, Bulldogs, Eels, & West Tigers can potentially increase crowds at a rectangular ANZ stadium.

Allinaz has year long use with Sydney FC, Waratahs and Roosters but those teams don't draw the crowds to see Allinaz capacity upgraded. It can be refurbished and done up but no upgrade in capacity, the demand isn't there.
 
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