The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[BlueandGold]

The Melbourne model for AFL is not all its cracked up to be anyway. Sure the crowds are good but I have heard more than a few AFL followers say that the teams in Melbourne have no identity anymore.

You are 100% correct, the NRL needs to find a balance between suburban grounds and the 3 major stadiums plan.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Stuart Ayres is now threatening the nuclear option , loss of all funding unless clubs agree to the Allianz rebuild.


I'd honestly call his bluff , ministers come & go and Ayres seems bought & paid for.

 

[JonnoM]

There is no logical reason to build a new stadium at Moore Park.
Yes,the SFS needs a refurbishment,but it will be a MONUMENTAL waste of money if the planned Kippax Lake Stadium went ahead.
New corporate facililties,New roof,maybe even new lower bowl closer to the sidelines.
Its worth it to spend and upgrade

Sydney Olympic Park is perfect for Sydney.
Build the tram line.
Put on more DIRECT trains ,bypassing the Lidcombe link
Build more train platforms!.One for Western and one for Eastern.The two platforms on big game days does get overcrowded.

And last but not least.Rebuild ANZ to the proposed 75,000 seat stadium.

 

[siv]

Stuart Ayres is now threatening the nuclear option , loss of all funding unless clubs agree to the Allianz rebuild.


I'd honestly call his bluff , ministers come & go and Ayres seems bought & paid for.

And leave SFS as is - I see no issue with that option

 

[carcharias]

I heard a bloke on the 2SM ( I think it was that knob Shane )talk about having to watch a game at Leichardt.
He was spewing.
Too many people go.
He said he would rather go to a stadium where he can have 5 seats to himself and be the only one in the queue for a beer or dunny.
With TV screens at the bar .

sounds awesome.
He just described being at home watching it on TV.
f**king idiot.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Cronulla, Manly and Penrith should be playing out of their respective suburban stadiums albeit with some $$$ spent to get them up to scratch.

The problem is two of those grounds are owned by the local councils, who have spent little on those grounds in the last few decades, whilst the other is privately owned by a group who do not have the finances to be able to afford major renovations.

On that point I can see the State Government's point about why should it have to foot the bill for 2 stadiums which the local councils have let stagnate, whilst why should they pay to upgrade a private facility?

That said, I don't agree with Stuart Ayres' insistence on a new stadium at Moore Park. Only people who seem to favour this option are himself and the SCG Trust and the NRL hierarchy. None of the NRL clubs who could be prospective tenant do, the Waratahs don't, nor do Sydney FC nor the FFA.

As I said up thread, the only reason I can see this being pushed is it enables the SCG Trust to annex land from the Centennial and Moore Park Trust. The current Gold Car Park is going to see new buildings erected to house the ARU/NSWRU and I dare say the Trust now need a new area for a car park. hence build a new Stadium and replace the existing SFS with a big car park. Solves their "problem".

 

[carcharias]

I think you'll find the Sharks will have money for stadium reno's.
Might take another 5-10 years.

 

[bazza]

There is no logical reason to build a new stadium at Moore Park.
Yes,the SFS needs a refurbishment,but it will be a MONUMENTAL waste of money if the planned Kippax Lake Stadium went ahead.

This is a government decision that we are discussing - it is entirely likely to be illogical and a waste of money

 

[juro]

Homebush is about half way between Parra and SFS
It would provide the 3 best stadiums in the 3 most accessible locations for Sydney population

If I really had a say in deciding the teams in the NRL it would be based on promotion and relegation - but that is for another thread

Distance from ANZ to Parra is about 9km.
Distance from ANZ to SFS is about 18km.

 

[Foreign Legion]

I heard a bloke on the 2SM ( I think it was that knob Shane )talk about having to watch a game at Leichardt.
He was spewing.
Too many people go.
He said he would rather go to a stadium where he can have 5 seats to himself and be the only one in the queue for a beer or dunny.
With TV screens at the bar .

sounds awesome.
He just described being at home watching it on TV.
f**king idiot.

Lol

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

I think you'll find the Sharks will have money for stadium reno's.
Might take another 5-10 years.

gotta be self funded tho

which is fine. I was so surprised we got that 10 million from the federal govt to build the southern stand..in the wrong spot hahaha

like ive said though, what scope is there to make huge improvements given the current make up of the ground?

cant really put a stand under the powerlines of any note.

So would have to extend the ET stand all the way to each dead ball line....
and then on the other side....
I mean if we had the money realistically you would knock down that whole f**kn front PB bit and have a covered grandstand on the other side.

anyway

 

[Frailty]

The stadium policy works for the AFL in Melbourne because the club the furthest distance from where they play (Essendon to Etihad) is about a 15 minute train ride. All the other teams 'spiritual' homes are closer than that.

The League equivalent would be if the Sydney clubs were still Annandale, Newtown, Glebe, etc.

 

[franklin2323]

But I would hazard a guess the vast majority (maybe 95%?) of those members live in and around Brooky.

If they move to a more central location then those fans located centrally will become members (not surveyed) or they have a greater base to grow from (see Souths: Redfern --> SFS --> Homebush).

They're hamstringing the potential available market if they stay in their small corner of Sydney.

Do you honestly think that on a Sydney wide market place they'd complete with Souths, Parra etc? No chance. Better off being a strong local club

 

[franklin2323]

I don't live in Penrith or surrounds , honestly couldn't say.

But I don't think the panthers should be immune from taking some games to another stadium.

There was seriously 1k Penrith fans at the game on Sunday. I doubt we would even get close to filling it.

 

[franklin2323]

Cronulla, Manly and Penrith should be playing out of their respective suburban stadiums albeit with some $$$ spent to get them up to scratch. Brookvale especially, that old girl needs a fair bit done to her. Knocking down the southern stand and continuing the corner stand around in its place with a lower terrace included and obviously something with the hill would be my priority if I had a say in it.


Im heading down for the panthers cows game on saturday, I lived out at Richmond in the late 90's/early 2k's and used to go to a lot of penrith and parra games during the period. Looking forward to seeing what has been done to the stadium, I havent been back since the western stand got extended.

It's a good little ground. GA tickets let you sit on the 30m line. Make sure you check out the Brazillan BBQ feed. Pretty good

 

[carcharias]

gotta be self funded tho

which is fine. I was so surprised we got that 10 million from the federal govt to build the southern stand..in the wrong spot hahaha

like ive said though, what scope is there to make huge improvements given the current make up of the ground?

cant really put a stand under the powerlines of any note.

So would have to extend the ET stand all the way to each dead ball line....
and then on the other side....
I mean if we had the money realistically you would knock down that whole f**kn front PB bit and have a covered grandstand on the other side.

anyway

I like the southern stand.
I reckon its better than half way.

 

[herbert henry1908]

There was seriously 1k Penrith fans at the game on Sunday. I doubt we would even get close to filling it.

Yeah but no reciprocal rights for members.

Anyway my point is if we have to move a few games to get these new Stadiums built I'm all for it. Plus it likely helps us secure funding for Penrith in the future.

 

[franklin2323]

Yeah but no reciprocal rights for members.

Anyway my point is if we have to move a few games to get these new Stadiums built I'm all for it. Plus it likely helps us secure funding for Penrith in the future.

That may of helped but a few guys that sit near me at home games refuse to go to away games. I doubt that will even get them to go.

We can fund our own stadium soon enough anyway. So even if the new Penrith Staduim isn't built we will be fine. Our ground isn't as bad as Brookie atleast and the population is going to boom out here. I think we can leave it a few years and hopefully build our core supporters up before making the move

 

[big hit!]

And leave SFS as is - I see no issue with that option

the issue with SFS is it's location.......not necessarily that it's in the east of the metropolitan (this is where Sydney as a city is after all).....but rather, that it doesn't have a rail line at its door step and to get to one requires a 30' walk through a dense residential area with narrow paths and streets such as Fitzroy. walking out of the SFS, herded all the way around the members entrance of the ground and then back out through the parkland the anzac rd crossing after a sold out A-league derby is slow as f**k. then fitzroy st is simply dangerous. that area can't handle 40k let alone an increase to 55-60k.

the ground does need work, but the trust have created half the mess around there with the roosters/waratahs/sports medical admin buildings and enticing NRL to make their digs there too. that whole area should be opened up completely, access in and out of the ground improved and improvements made to the space inside the ground such as the concourse and food outlets. the rake at the ends of the ground are poor too.

 

[big hit!]

The stadium policy works for the AFL in Melbourne because the club the furthest distance from where they play (Essendon to Etihad) is about a 15 minute train ride. All the other teams 'spiritual' homes are closer than that.

The League equivalent would be if the Sydney clubs were still Annandale, Newtown, Glebe, etc.

Using Melbourne AFL clubs as an example is moot. Most Collingwood fans don't live in the Collingwood district, most Carlton fans don't live in the Carlton district, most Richmond fans don't live in the Richmond district, etc. apart from the Western Bulldogs & St Kilda, most of these clubs have built their identities on everything other than their districts.

in contrast with the NRL, i'd say only Souths, Tigers and perhaps St George have really got that real spread of support outside their district. most of the other clubs in Sydney draw a lot of their support from the districts they intended to represent......Canterbury in Canterbury, Bankstown (with the addition of Liverpool) - Parramatta in the Hills - Cronulla in the shire - Manly in the northern beaches, etc................the districts the sydney clubs represent are all fairly large to sustain this...........except perhaps the roosters.

the reason centralisation works in melbourne is because the stadiums are central to the metropolitan and can be accessed from any corner of it. it'd be like having the MCG and Docklands in the vicinity of our Olympic Park, and it being the hub of all our train and bus lines.