The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[T-Boon]

We can do this both ways

85% of game played at the upgraded ANZ will be sub 20k. 15-20k in a 80k stadium are never good so for a couple of events a year you are sacrificing better experiences and tv coverage in 85% of usage and spending 1/2 billion $'s unnecessarily in doing so.

See?

2 great stadiums that service the whole city is a fine result.

The ANZ fix up isn’t going to be done. I am very confident of that. That’s what pisses me off. The one in least need of upgrade (it was already excellent) gets done first and I am sure those behind that knew that would basically mean the ANZ will not happen.
The NRL should have insisted that ANZ be done first.
This seems like AFL forces getting their way.

 

[horrie hastings]

The ANZ fix up isn’t going to be done. I am very confident of that. That’s what pisses me off. The one in least need of upgrade (it was already excellent) gets done first and I am sure those behind that knew that would basically mean the ANZ will not happen.
The NRL should have insisted that ANZ be done first.
This seems like AFL forces getting their way.

The SFS was in major need of an upgrade, the only thing it had over ANZ was a far superior viewing experience, everything else was sh*t, a sprinkle of rain and you were saturated 15 rows back under cover, Major lines for food and beverages with crowds around 12-15,000, exits points to narrow to exit properly with the same mentioned crowds, coaches boxes to small for most of the coaching staff to sit in, corporate boxes in the wrong places, lack of women’s toilets.
But yes I agree I would have liked to see ANZ totally rebuilt or redone before the SFS because now we are only going to get a very half assed upgrade of ANZ , if anything.

 

[Perth Red]

We can do this both ways

85% of game played at the upgraded ANZ will be sub 20k. 15-20k in a 80k stadium are never good so for a couple of events a year you are sacrificing better experiences and tv coverage in 85% of usage and spending 1/2 billion $'s unnecessarily in doing so.

See?

2 great stadiums that service the whole city is a fine result.

anz should not be used for club games, a new national stadium of 80k wouldn’t be being built for the purposes of club games. In fact you’ve confirmed my point, we are going to end up with a pig with lipstick on it that is sht for club games and a very nice but oversized sfs that will also be poor for club games. Given club games make up 85% of content no one wins in this scenario!

 

[unforgiven]

Whole city? I don’t see how people in Penrith travelling an hour into one of the most tolled cities on earth to go to one of the stadiums is being serviced for.

By city do you mean Moore Park to Parramatta?

It's not an hour to ANZ from Penrith, so now you want an 45000-80000 seater in Penrith?

First you complained about Bankwest being built in Parra now you are whinging about the major stadiums too!

As I have told you before, why would the government put Bankwest in Penrith when it would only have 1 tenant?

 

[forby]

3k Corporate seats at new Bankwest.

That leaves 27k seats for the Punter.

Last time i looked old Parra stadium was 20k max tickets to the public before we remove the corporate seats.

Wrong on all accounts.

If you cannot buy a ticket in any of the western side of the stadium how do your figures add up?
There is a lot more than 10% of the seats now unavailable to members.
Also, all those who did have seats there are now in worse seats on the sun/eastern side, or now behind the posts.
It has wonderful facilities and terrific viewing, but has upset a lot of members who have lost their seats.

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

Yeah I don't get the hate for the fact a new stadium is getting built at Moore Park.

A world class stadium at the foot of the CBD will only be a good thing for the economy. The CBD based businesses especially will be lapping up the corporate side of it.

There is no shortage of tenants with the roosters, Sydney FC and the Waratahs already committed full time meaning it will be used year round. Add to that wallabies games, the smaller socceroo games and many other ad-hoc sports events and concerts and it is a no-brainer.

May even get the Bunnies back

 

[Suitman]

If you cannot buy a ticket in any of the western side of the stadium how do your figures add up?
There is a lot more than 10% of the seats now unavailable to members.

You are wrong again and @BlueandGold was right.
There are approximately 3500 seats in the Western Corporate stand, leaving about 26500 seats on the other 3 sides, all available to the public.
The old stadium had 20000 seats.
What part of this do you not understand?

 

[Valheru]

May even get the Bunnies back

I think they should go back.

Also likely that st George would play the odd gane there and in the future a few more.

 

[Mr Angry]

Of course Souff$ should play in South Sydney.

Strathfield is not South of Sydney, Moore Park is.

 

[adamkungl]

Whole city? I don’t see how people in Penrith travelling an hour into one of the most tolled cities on earth to go to one of the stadiums is being serviced for.

By city do you mean Moore Park to Parramatta?

Penrith to Parra is a 35 Min trip with no tolls.
Population density is higher the further east you go, and once you get past Blacktown it thins out.
No government is building a 30k stadium where there is neither the population nor the events to service it

 

[adamkungl]

anz should not be used for club games, a new national stadium of 80k wouldn’t be being built for the purposes of club games. In fact you’ve confirmed my point, we are going to end up with a pig with lipstick on it that is sht for club games and a very nice but oversized sfs that will also be poor for club games. Given club games make up 85% of content no one wins in this scenario!

So you want to spend the vast majority of the money on a project that you think should only be actually used 6-8 times a year.... Right.... What an amazing point I've apparently confirmed for you

The government might be inept but not as inept as some of you lot

 

[forby]

You are wrong again and @BlueandGold was right.
There are approximately 3500 seats in the Western Corporate stand, leaving about 26500 seats on the other 3 sides, all available to the public.
The old stadium had 20000 seats.
What part of this do you not understand?[/QUOTE)

I am only going by what I have been told. There are no seats available for members on the Western side. There is a lot of disgruntled supporters because of this.
I still think there is more than 3500 corporate/unavailable seats.

 

[Suitman]

Still wrong.
There are memberships available on the Western side. Expensive ones.
You have been told wrong, and there isn't more than 3500 seats on that side.

Compared to...…..

Just give up Forby.

 

[Perth Red]

So you want to spend the vast majority of the money on a project that you think should only be actually used 6-8 times a year.... Right.... What an amazing point I've apparently confirmed for you

The government might be inept but not as inept as some of you lot

yep, that’s what a national stadium is for. Club games at anz are sht, they will still be sht after they’ve wasted loads of money tarting it up and reducing capacity for the big events it’s actually best for. Then we’ve got Moore Park which is $500mill wasted unnecessarily to create another stadium that is a poor outcome for 85% of its usage. Terrible strategy but that’s politicians for you.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

The state government has acknowledged there’ll be less economic gain than there was spent on the stadiums except for Parra, because they didn’t even send a bcr(benefit to cost) findings on new Parra to an independent commission. What a coincidence the government didn’t want to do a report on a stadium that only takes events from another stadium. It’s almost like it’s only supposed to undermine anz and make new SFS look more worthy of a complete rebuild to help out the scg trust or something.

The benefit from these stadiums is social benefit, which is fine. But economic benefit is a sham. Most stadiums aren’t economically beneficial. Reason being that all of those cafes and bars that people fawn about being benefitted, well, just check them out during the game at the new stadium. Empty.

An area that is breaking records in heat having a new facility where people have more than 25% of the crowd covered from the weather and so that people don’t have to travel 40 minutes+ to go to games seems like more of a social benefit than Parramatta fans not having to travel five minutes to anz. End of.

 

[Last Week]

The state government has acknowledged there’ll be less economic gain than there was spent on the stadiums except for Parra, because they didn’t even send a bcr(benefit to cost) findings on new Parra to an independent commission. What a coincidence the government didn’t want to do a report on a stadium that only takes events from another stadium. It’s almost like it’s only supposed to undermine anz and make new SFS look more worthy of a complete rebuild to help out the scg trust or something.

The benefit from these stadiums is social benefit, which is fine. But economic benefit is a sham. Most stadiums aren’t economically beneficial. Reason being that all of those cafes and bars that people fawn about being benefitted, well, just check them out during the game at the new stadium. Empty.

An area that is breaking records in heat having a new facility where people have more than 25% of the crowd covered from the weather and so that people don’t have to travel 40 minutes+ to go to games seems like more of a social benefit than Parramatta fans not having to travel five minutes to anz. End of.

You're saying that Penrith should have got the stadium because of the weather??

 

[TheEroticGamer]

No, I’m saying stadiums should be built where people need it most. Not because of an act of vanity to continue the symbiotic relationship of bribing powerful media figures with building infrastructure that benefits them so they give favourable coverage of the government, so they can continue building them infrastructure that’ll return in support of their government in the media and so on. That’s shithouse oligarchy baby.

 

[GAZF]

No, I’m saying stadiums should be built where people need it most. Not because of an act of vanity to continue the symbiotic relationship of bribing powerful media figures with building infrastructure that benefits them so they give favourable coverage of the government, so they can continue building them infrastructure that’ll return in support of their government in the media and so on. That’s shithouse oligarchy baby.

Gov't funded first class stadiums should be built where they are needed, where they will service as large a population as practically possible, and be accessible by all segments of the public.

NSW's stadium policy does not satisfy these criteria, but neither do your suggestions. Penrith is in need of upgrades for the reason you state, but the fact the ground is on council land puts it to the back of the queue, and projected populations relative to other Sydney regions don't justify prioritising it either. That's utilitarianism baby.

 

[Mr Angry]

Perhaps Penrith and Northern Beaches councils should hand over thier grounds to the state government to manage and upgrade. (yeah not going to happen).

Perhaps Penrith and Northern Beaches councils should sell thier ground to the Panthers and Eagles respectively for $1.

Bankwest in not a Parramatta Council asset. Olympic park is not a Strathfield Council asset. They are State Government assets.

 

[unforgiven]

You're saying that Penrith should have got the stadium because of the weather??

Not only weather but heat, for a sport played in Winter!

The state government has acknowledged there’ll be less economic gain than there was spent on the stadiums except for Parra, because they didn’t even send a bcr(benefit to cost) findings on new Parra to an independent commission. What a coincidence the government didn’t want to do a report on a stadium that only takes events from another stadium. It’s almost like it’s only supposed to undermine anz and make new SFS look more worthy of a complete rebuild to help out the scg trust or something.

The benefit from these stadiums is social benefit, which is fine. But economic benefit is a sham. Most stadiums aren’t economically beneficial. Reason being that all of those cafes and bars that people fawn about being benefitted, well, just check them out during the game at the new stadium. Empty.

An area that is breaking records in heat having a new facility where people have more than 25% of the crowd covered from the weather and so that people don’t have to travel 40 minutes+ to go to games seems like more of a social benefit than Parramatta fans not having to travel five minutes to anz. End of.

Before complaining about the State Government not building a stadium to deal with the heat in winter, maybe you should contact the local council and find out why the local pool was actually closed on the hottest day in history.

You post so much rubbish in this thread all because a stadium wasn't built in your suburb! It shouldn't matter if ANZ and Bankwest were built side by side because they should have 2 different purposes as they are fulfilling 2 different needs. There is not reason to build a stadium in Penrith, claiming heat is a desperate argument.