The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Ozzi_78]

If the Sharks' licence is given to the Pirates then they will finally have a decent stadium. They won't have to slug the NSW taxpayer any further, either. All of this expense on small stadia that will be lucky to be used 11 times a year isn't going to endear tax payers to our game, especially when they've been doing it tough over the last 2 years.

Bait stinks. You went too far with the last sentence. Needed to be a shorter and more to the point.

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

I was wondering why you were still here. I couldn’t let that one go with such complete and utter rubbish in it. This thread is a cesspit. Can’t wait for the rest of the money to be dishes out so everyone can get over it.

Like I said it’s far more bearable when you don’t have to read the dribble. There’s some good posters with constructive comments. Should’ve done it a month ago. Nothing worse than when a good thread gets hijacked by clueless wankers.

 

[Jamberoo]

Whether you can see it or not is irrelevant, it is happening. Brookvale at least will be confirmed in the next few weeks.

And there is plenty of justification for further development in the next few decades, although I think in Sydney at least the next stadium to be fixed will be Stadium Australia finally converted to a rectangle for 2030 onwards. It will be needed if we are serious about the World Cup bid.

The AFL will make sure that a rectangular SA won't happen - I suggest that is one reason they have started playing matches there again.

Plus, like the 2022 bid, any future WC bid will have the final at the MCG, which will be partly rebuilt by then with a capacity of 105K (new southern stand) plus 5k drop in seats (like Optus) to make it quasi rectangular. 110K will be hard for FIFA to resist - would be the biggest crowd since 1968 I think.

 

[Croz Au]

Like I said it’s far more bearable when you don’t have to read the dribble. There’s some good posters with constructive comments. Should’ve done it a month ago. Nothing worse than when a good thread gets hijacked by clueless wankers.

100% agree on this one. Some very constructive point of views; whilst others need to more on and stop key board trolling.
i enjoy a good laugh, when the trollers make no sense and know nothing of what they are talking about, and trying to get a bite, with their various accounts.

 

[jim_57]

Like I said it’s far more bearable when you don’t have to read the dribble. There’s some good posters with constructive comments. Should’ve done it a month ago. Nothing worse than when a good thread gets hijacked by clueless wankers.

and/or a bunch of delicate Sharks fans.

 

[Perth Red]

I enjoy reading different opinions and people counter arguing mine. That’s the fun of discussion. It’s people who are abusive and personally attack that I make my ignore list. Only been about 5 or 6 in all the years I’ve been here. I wonder if they are as abusive in real life or just when hiding behind a key board? I’d imagine they get smacked in the face a lot if they are lol

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Ignore works a treat Ozzi….can still view the thread without having to listen to the f**ktards with agendas.

I get what you’re saying but I thought Ozzi had given good, measured responses which he wouldn’t have written if he chose the ignore option. None of us would’ve gotten to read them, nor would Donkeys.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Its actually much harder, I'm imagining the new stadium in penrith will be owned or at least managed by the Govt's SMC. Shark Park wont be unless Sharks are willing to hand over a long lease agreement to the Govt. So thats the first probem for Govt, justifying major spend on a companies private facility. Secondary They like to be able to counter the 'more hospitals and schools' push back with how the facilities will have a wider benefit to the community that just the football club fans attending. Having a women's team or two certainly helps them with that argument. Nothing in insurmountable when it comes to Govt's but they often like to at least look like they can justify where the money is going.

all this justification talk in here carries no weight. it shouldn't, but its how it is.
if you suss that grants/funding story in the SMH you can see what happens.

theyre in the electorate of cook. dominic will help out his mate. business as usual. theyll get the money they seek. lock it in.

i still think they should be at the sfs for some games in a decade.

 

[mongoose]

I'm less convinced. Of the people watching a Manly game in sydney how many are Manly fans and how many are neutrals? I'd suggest (basing on evidence that there is very little fluctuation in tv audiences regardless of which Sydney club is playing or if 2 sydney clubs are playing each other) that a vast majority are neutrals.

actually that's a good point. League in general just has a bigger concentration of fans in Sydney than the other codes so it will always get bigger rating on TV even if the Swans have more "active" supporters.

The problem is that all these Sydney clubs that seem like they have small fan bases in their local region have built up larger followings around the country, particularly regional NSW and QLD. Their brands are recognised everywhere. I've been to many Broncos and Titans games against every club and Manly has very solid support up here. Just about every club does.

 

[Captain Apollo]

all this justification talk in here carries no weight. it shouldn't, but its how it is.
if you suss that grants/funding story in the SMH you can see what happens.

theyre in the electorate of cook. dominic will help out his mate. business as usual. theyll get the money they seek. lock it in.

i still think they should be at the sfs for some games in a decade.

I would not be so sure. There is no guarantee that ScoMo will get back in at the next Federal election, and can you imagine the outcry the press will generate if Government money is spent on upgrading privately owned Shark Park? Believe you me, people do not like seeing public money being spent which increases the value of some private person/company's assets. This is not an anti-Sharks thing, more people tired of seeing people getting rich from Government handouts.

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

I would not be so sure. There is no guarantee that ScoMo will get back in at the next Federal election, and can you imagine the outcry the press will generate if Government money is spent on upgrading privately owned Shark Park? Believe you me, people do not like seeing public money being spent which increases the value of some private person/company's assets. This is not an anti-Sharks thing, more people tired of seeing people getting rich from Government handouts.

First of all it’s state money not federal being shared around so Scummo shouldn’t really come into it. The Sharks also went to the table with a part ownership of the facilities option if money was invested. Finally… the precinct is being set up with numerous facilities for the community in general. I.e not just football ground. Smart operators in the top office at the Sharks now will make the project a success with or without funding… just will be even better with some assistance.

 

[Brick Tamland]

I would not be so sure. There is no guarantee that ScoMo will get back in at the next Federal election, and can you imagine the outcry the press will generate if Government money is spent on upgrading privately owned Shark Park? Believe you me, people do not like seeing public money being spent which increases the value of some private person/company's assets. This is not an anti-Sharks thing, more people tired of seeing people getting rich from Government handouts.

Shark Park is privately owned by an organisation which is not for profit. There are loads of examples of NFP's receiving government (Federal and State/Territory) funds to provide community services

 

[Captain Apollo]

First of all it’s state money not federal being shared around so Scummo shouldn’t really come into it. The Sharks also went to the table with a part ownership of the facilities option if money was invested. Finally… the precinct is being set up with numerous facilities for the community in general. I.e not just football ground. Smart operators in the top office at the Sharks now will make the project a success with or without funding… just will be even better with some assistance.

State, Federal or local, people will not stand for public money being spent on assets owned by private companies or individuals. The precinct is the private property of the Cronulla Sharks, not the general public, so plenty of people will have problems with it. If it was a ground owned by my own club I would have a problem with it. Sharks want to own the ground, fine, then they have to fund it themselves. I am tired of watching corporates skim off public moneys to improve their assets/holdings.

 

[Perth Red]

State, Federal or local, people will not stand for public money being spent on assets owned by private companies or individuals. The precinct is the private property of the Cronulla Sharks, not the general public, so plenty of people will have problems with it. If it was a ground owned by my own club I would have a problem with it. Sharks want to own the ground, fine, then they have to fund it themselves. I am tired of watching corporates skim off public moneys to improve their assets/holdings.

Seeing some companies profit margins last year due to the covid govt handouts was pretty alarming, a lot of people made a lot of money last year on the back of our tax money.

 

[Ozzi_78]

State, Federal or local, people will not stand for public money being spent on assets owned by private companies or individuals. The precinct is the private property of the Cronulla Sharks, not the general public, so plenty of people will have problems with it. If it was a ground owned by my own club I would have a problem with it. Sharks want to own the ground, fine, then they have to fund it themselves. I am tired of watching corporates skim off public moneys to improve their assets/holdings.

As a sharks fan I completely understand your position on this topic.

But it is an interesting point that clubs who do not own their ground play no part in upkeep at all and bare no cost impact along the way. Yet clubs who possess their own ground do so and offer the public the same entertainment value yet are completely blocked from partial assistance (not total rebuild for free) that the other clubs are.

Let me be clear that I’m totally ok with the sharks getting no funding as I know they have a plan but surely any assistance to improve amenities for fans is positive?

I mean it’s not like the govt uses their money well anyway right?

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

State, Federal or local, people will not stand for public money being spent on assets owned by private companies or individuals. The precinct is the private property of the Cronulla Sharks, not the general public, so plenty of people will have problems with it. If it was a ground owned by my own club I would have a problem with it. Sharks want to own the ground, fine, then they have to fund it themselves. I am tired of watching corporates skim off public moneys to improve their assets/holdings.

Get ready to throw a tantrum then because it will happen in some shape or form. As many have stated before…the Sharks have a plan to make their own improvements and are going ahead regardless. It’s just a matter of if the State government put the cherry on top. Just out of curiosity what profit do you think the government make out of council owned grounds and the building of new stadiums on said council property?

 

[Captain Apollo]

As a sharks fan I completely understand your position on this topic.

But it is an interesting point that clubs who do not own their ground play no part in upkeep at all and bare no cost impact along the way. Yet clubs who possess their own ground do so and offer the public the same entertainment value yet are completely blocked from partial assistance (not total rebuild for free) that the other clubs are.

Let me be clear that I’m totally ok with the sharks getting no funding as I know they have a plan but surely any assistance to improve amenities for fans is positive?

I mean it’s not like the govt uses their money well anyway right?

It is the same as people who rent where they live as opposed to those who own their own home. As someone who used to rent, you are not obligated to do maintenance on the property, merely to ensure you keep it clean and tidy. Same principle applies to stadiums. Why should tenants have to pay upkeep? That is what their tenancy fees can be used for, its not all for profit.

 

[Perth Red]

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As a sharks fan I completely understand your position on this topic.

But it is an interesting point that clubs who do not own their ground play no part in upkeep at all and bare no cost impact along the way. Yet clubs who possess their own ground do so and offer the public the same entertainment value yet are completely blocked from partial assistance (not total rebuild for free) that the other clubs are.

Let me be clear that I’m totally ok with the sharks getting no funding as I know they have a plan but surely any assistance to improve amenities for fans is positive?

I mean it’s not like the govt uses their money well anyway right?

As Apollo said the cost of upkeep is built into the rental cost and whatever other areas of revenue generation the stadium holds back such as naming rights, stadium seat memberships etc.

if sharks are to get some funding I just hope it’s a significant amount so something major can be done properly. Like I’ve said before I’d rather see major upgrades on fewer stadiums than small upgrades to them all that make little difference long term.

 

[hrundi99]

Were you new to the game when you first learnt about it and decided to follow it, or were you born with an encyclopaedia worth of knowledge about its history and some bizarre phobia of travelling to the SFS?

Everyone was introduced to the game at some stage of their life. For one reason or another, they decided to follow it.

There's nothing unique about Sydney RL fans that means they need nine tiny clubs based out of small grounds that are hard to access. What I'm hearing from you and a few Cronulla fans is an obnoxious sense of entitlement that the sport should revolve around a few RL fans from Sydney because they don't want to move into the 21st century.

There are thousands of fumbleball and RU fans from Northern Beaches and North Shore who travel across the harbour to watch the Swans and Waratahs play at the SCG and SFS. If they can do it then there's no reason a few thousand Seaweed fans cannot travel across the harbour to hear Eagle Rock blasted out of the PA system as their team runs onto the SFS.

I'm a Sydney based Raiders supporter (since '82), so I have to travel all around NSW and inter-state to watch my team. It's not like I have an issue with travelling.

I also live on the Northern Beaches and go to Brookvale as a neutral on a semi regular basis. I appreciate the experience of going to a local ground and supporting a local team.

The fact of the matter is you don't understand the history of league in this city, and the territorial loyalty.

Stop pretending you can apply a generic approach to over 100 years of history for generations of people.

 

[Ozzi_78]

It is the same as people who rent where they live as opposed to those who own their own home. As someone who used to rent, you are not obligated to do maintenance on the property, merely to ensure you keep it clean and tidy. Same principle applies to stadiums. Why should tenants have to pay upkeep? That is what their tenancy fees can be used for, its not all for profit.

I didn’t say they HAD to pay I said they don’t pay (rent paid being the exception ). The point I’m making is they are potentially getting a brand new house (like Penrith) without having had to do any hard work getting the deposit together. Good luck to them I say.

Now the sharks won’t be getting a brand new one nor should they being privately owned but there shouldn’t be any disgruntled people in the NRL fan base if they do get some funding to make the game day experience better for punters.

Or are you literally arguing against what this whole thread is rooting for you high is better standards at footy grounds because the sharks happen to own the stadium?