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The stadium sucks for footy and it is just so dead around the place.
Redevelopment, done right, can change that
The stadium sucks for footy and it is just so dead around the place.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nrl-clubs...fter-baird-policy-switch-20160210-gmqq96.html
Sydney's stadium plans are set to be overhauled with six NRL clubs close to agreeing to ask the Baird government to scrap a new stadium at Moore Park and upgrade the Sydney Olympic Park stadium instead.
In the past fortnight Premier Mike Baird asked the NRL for its opinion on the government's current plans to direct about $800 million of $1 billion in funding to replacing the inner-city Allianz stadium and $200 million to ANZ stadium at Olympic Park.
If the NRL and six Sydney-based clubs would like those funding levels switched to turn ANZ Stadium into a premium rectangular venue, the government is likely to agree.
Sea of colour: South Africa's Cheslin Kolbe touches down in front of a huge crowd at Allianz Stadium earlier this month.
That would mean ditching plans to build a new stadium at Moore Park, frustrating the powerful Sydney Cricket & Sports Ground Trust which would have to be content with refurbishing the 45,000 seat Allianz stadium.
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The Sydney Roosters, Canterbury Bulldogs, South Sydney Rabbitohs, Wests Tigers, St George Illawarra Dragons and Parramatta Eels were approached a fortnight ago and have been discussing the best way to use the government funding.
The matter has been deemed urgent, with the state government hopeful of an answer by the end of the month.
If the clubs request the funding switch, it could represent a remarkable turn-around in policy after Mr Baird committed to building the new stadium at Moore Park only in September.
But the departure of former NRL chief executive Dave Smith, who was a proponent of the SCG Trust's stadium plans, has created the opportunity for the re-think.
When Mr Baird and Sports Minister Stuart Ayres announced the funding split, it was as part of an overall $1.6 billion stadium funding package. The first stadium to be built would be a replacement for Pirtek Stadium in Parramatta, but ANZ and Allianz would then share about $1 billion.
However the decision to direct the bulk of that money to a 55,000 seat replacement for Allianz was criticised last year on the grounds that that stadium rarely sold out, and that the majority of rugby league fans lived closer to Olympic Park.
Souths chief executive John Lee, a former director-general of NSW Transport, said on Wednesday that planning policy for major sporting infrastructure was predominantly focused on access ? "pedestrian, car and public transport access to the precinct."
"Olympic Park is superior in two of the three criteria," Mr Lee told Fairfax Media.
"We all tried Allianz years ago and it's a great boutique little stadium but it's not the premium rectangle," said Mr Lee, adding that Olympic Park was closer to the geographic centre of Sydney, and had much better public transport and parking.
"We are all in furious agreement in the clubs that Homebush was designed for a sports carnival and it needs to be redesigned for the best rectangular events sports in the country: eg. a Bledisloe, Australia qualifying for the World Cup, State of Origin," he said.
The potential about-turn comes after the Sports Minister Stuart Ayres inflamed tensions in the inner city by appearing to support a push by the SCG Trust to build a new stadium on Kippax Lake, on land managed by the neighbouring Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust.
"If you move the stadium, for instance, the space where the existing stadium is can be redeveloped as open recreational green space, it can be redeveloped as playing fields," Mr Ayres told ABC702 on Wednesday morning.
But building a stadium on Centennial Park land would contradict a cabinet decision last year that any new stadium at Moore Park would need to be on SCG land.
The comments triggered an immediate outcry. The chairman of the Centennial Park Trust, Tony Ryan, said: "We were disappointed to learn of the comments of the minister which appear to contradict the government's stated position regarding the Allianz Stadium redevelopment."
But Mr Ayres told Fairfax Media that he was not supporting the idea of a stadium on Centennial Park land.
"The government has a clear stated intention to build a new stadium and it intends to build that stadium on land that is administered by the SCG Trust," Mr Ayres said.
It may yet emerge, however, that no new stadium is built at Moore Park. It is understood that the Roosters support the idea of a refurbished Allianz, rather than a new stadium that would be rarely filled.
The NRL met with the six clubs last week, presenting detailed facts and figures about patronage at different venues. It is understood the NRL is keen for ANZ Stadium to receive the bulk of the funding ? a proposition the clubs are set to approve at another meeting in a fortnight.
It is very simple:
Allianz Stadium: Sydney Roosters, South Sydney Rabbitohs, and Sydney FC
Pirtek Stadium: Parramatta Eels and Sydney Wanderers
ANZ Stadium: Canterbury Bulldogs, Wests Tigers, St George Illawarra Dragons, South Sydney Rabbitohs marquee games, State of Origin, NRL Grand Final, Bledisloe Cup rugby union, NSW Waratahs rugby union, soccer internationals,
ANZ is the premium stadium and deserves the bulk of $1 billion.
Allianz deserves a refurbish of $200 million and that is all.
ANZ is a sht stadium for club football and no amount of money spent on it will change that.
To people who argue that Olympic Park is a terrible location with terrible transport options, do you live on the freaking moon?!?
For outsiders, this is Sydney: If anything, Olympic Park is even MORE central than Parramatta. It has its own train station 200m walk from the ground, If you have to change trains at some point it's not the end of the world, that's something everyone else has to do unless you build it on top of Central Station. Most people who catch trains do that a couple times a day commuting to work.
And the fact that all future population growth projections point WEST, look where Moore Park fits on that map. In fact any type of CBD stadium idea for our premium stadium is simply NOT future-proofing the scenario.
I for one see a great opportunity with Dave Smith's exit to torpedo the terrible Moore Park idea.
The only point that is half-persuasive is it has no developed entertainment precinct. How many people out there have made a choice not to go to a sports event because it is not convenient to go have dinner and a night out afterwards within walking distance? Serious question.
it might get knocked down and rebuilt as a proper rectangular stadium. that is what should happen. it's in the right location. the sfs is fine how it is (except it should get a retractable roof) and parra stadium just needs an extra level of seats on both ends. that would get the capacity to around 25,000. if the eels and wanderers need a bigger capacity than that for some games, then they could always have those games a few suburbs to the east at the new olympic park stadium
I'm in Penrith and find it a lot easier to travel to the SFS. I know most people would rather just stay home and watch it on TV than hang around Granville station at 11pm on a cold Friday night waiting for a connecting train from ANZ.
To people who argue that Olympic Park is a terrible location with terrible transport options, do you live on the freaking moon?!?
For outsiders, this is Sydney: If anything, Olympic Park is even MORE central than Parramatta. It has its own train station 200m walk from the ground, If you have to change trains at some point it's not the end of the world, that's something everyone else has to do unless you build it on top of Central Station. Most people who catch trains do that a couple times a day commuting to work.
And the fact that all future population growth projections point WEST, look where Moore Park fits on that map. In fact any type of CBD stadium idea for our premium stadium is simply NOT future-proofing the scenario.
I for one see a great opportunity with Dave Smith's exit to torpedo the terrible Moore Park idea.
The only point that is half-persuasive is it has no developed entertainment precinct. How many people out there have made a choice not to go to a sports event because it is not convenient to go have dinner and a night out afterwards within walking distance? Serious question.
From a business stand point it's not illogical at all.
Either 1 of 2 things will happen if we relocated to Olympic Park.
We'll fail to attract new fans from out west on top of naturally losing attendees from our current supporter base and the club will be put in an extremely precarious financial position. Or we'll succeed in attracting new fans in an area that's more geographically centrally located and surrounded with established transport to high growth population areas.
The decision to move back to the East after establishing growth like that and with the potential ceiling growth on offer far superior from a purely business view point would be idiotic, as we've seen with Souths who have since ditched their original territory to continue playing out of Homebush.
Roosters spitting the dummy. His argument seems illogical. Threatening they'll go bust if they move then saying they may stay away forever if they have to move!
SYDNEY Roosters chairman Nick Politis has warned he?ll move the NRL club to ANZ Stadium permanently if an $800 million plan to rebuild Allianz Stadium goes ahead.
Politis told The Australian newspaper he fears the Roosters could even go out of business if they are forced to leave their home ground for the three years as the development work goes ahead.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...n/news-story/4a71863dc641507c2d91d3f8045785da
You think either of that is likely to happen in three years? Is ANZ the only option if it is such a boom or bust option?
Did nobody point out to Nick Politis that the floors, walls and merchandise stands are all old thus making it a totally shit place to watch a game?
Anything over 45k capacity is always going to be sht for 90% of club football regardless of roof, pitch of stands, nearby pubs or geographic location. Can you honestly see anytime in the next few decades when any of those six clubs are going to avg 50k for majority of games? If you want the best view, comfortable seats and no one near you sit at home and watch on tv. Going to a game should be about atmosphere, buzz and the feeling of being at an event. ANZ will never deliver that regardless of what they spend on it.
New Parra stadium will become the number one RL stadium in Sydney despite being smaller and cheaper than the other two.