The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Jizmos]

Sorry for my naivety, but aside from the location and the fact that it is often empty, what is actually wrong with ANZ? My first game there will be this year's GF, so interested to see how it can be improved. Is it only soulless because there are so many empty seats? Does it work well for GF, SOO? Or is there something intrinsically wrong with it?

There's nothing wrong with the location.

The clear worst thing about the stadium is the ridiculously poor gradient of the seating. It's actually unbelievable how it was ever approved being so far away from the action in so called "premium seating".
The next biggest problem for League in this stadium is that the sport just isn't popular enough outside of exhibition games and grand finals to even half fill the stadium more than once or twice a season which borderline voids the matches played there of atmosphere.

The joint will be full on grand final day though so hopefully that disguises most of the stadiums flaws and you just enjoy the day and game for what it is.

 

[Perth Red]

There's nothing wrong with the location.

The clear worst thing about the stadium is the ridiculously poor gradient of the seating. It's actually unbelievable how it was ever approved being so far away from the action in so called "premium seating".
The next biggest problem for League in this stadium is that the sport just isn't popular enough outside of exhibition games and grand finals to even half fill the stadium more than once or twice a season which borderline voids the matches played there of atmosphere.

The joint will be full on grand final day though so hopefully that disguises most of the stadiums flaws and you just enjoy the day and game for what it is.

Size size size. Only been to Games there with less than 20k in it and they were sht. Felt like a graveyard. Hopefully storm get to gf and I'll finally get to experience it full with some atmosphere.

I dont think the gradient /distance from field is that big an issue though not ideal. SOO at mcg was great despite the distance from the action.

 

[Jizmos]

Size size size. Only been to Games there with less than 20k in it and they were sht. Felt like a graveyard. Hopefully storm get to gf and I'll finally get to experience it full with some atmosphere.

I dont think the gradient /distance from field is that big an issue though not ideal. SOO at mcg was great despite the distance from the action.

I suppose the size is an issue but that's only cause we struggle to get it to 1/8th capacity so damn often.
A stadium of this size is definitely needed for the biggest events the city can put on considering it is the most populated capital city in the country.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Maybe superleague was correct after all

4 teams north south east and west in sydney now 23 years on

Would probably be averaging 40k each 2 at ANZ and. 2 at Allianz

Coupled with 10-12 other teams across rest of country and nz

Rupert may have been a genius

 

[colly]

Maybe superleague was correct after all

4 teams north south east and west in sydney now 23 years on

Would probably be averaging 40k each 2 at ANZ and. 2 at Allianz

Coupled with 10-12 other teams across rest of country and nz

Rupert may have been a genius

4 teams north south east and west in sydney

What Sydney North team are you referring too????????
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_(Australia)

 

[hutch]

Maybe superleague was correct after all

4 teams north south east and west in sydney now 23 years on

Would probably be averaging 40k each 2 at ANZ and. 2 at Allianz

Coupled with 10-12 other teams across rest of country and nz

Rupert may have been a genius

Literally hundreds of thousands of people would have stopped supporting rugby league and the 4 clubs you speak of would struggle to get 500 to a game because people have no attachment to them. Rupert tried to kill rugby league.

 

[morley101]

Stage 2 (design and construction) of the Western Sydney stadium got the official tick of approval yesterday.
http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/index.pl?action=view_job&job_id=8175

 

[Vee]

Stage 2 (design and construction) of the Western Sydney stadium got the official tick of approval yesterday.
http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/index.pl?action=view_job&job_id=8175

Is that Parra Stadium?

 

[morley101]

Is that Parra Stadium?

yes

 

[big hit!]

There's nothing wrong with the location.

The clear worst thing about the stadium is the ridiculously poor gradient of the seating. It's actually unbelievable how it was ever approved being so far away from the action in so called "premium seating".
The next biggest problem for League in this stadium is that the sport just isn't popular enough outside of exhibition games and grand finals to even half fill the stadium more than once or twice a season which borderline voids the matches played there of atmosphere.

The joint will be full on grand final day though so hopefully that disguises most of the stadiums flaws and you just enjoy the day and game for what it is.

I'd argue location is shit.

first of all it's just inside the western sydney border - the old auburn council now merged cumberland council.

there's nothing there. you need to take the train in and then straight into the ground as options outside/around the venue are extremely limited. great thing about moore park are the options around the area in paddo, surry hills, redfern (now it's come up), darlo and the cbd. at olympic park, there's one pub with lines serving beer in plastic cups, and the same old shit marquees for food outside the ground, and your typical shitty franchise mcdonalds, oporto, etc options.

for big events, you're generally jammed in on the train that moves at a snails pace, and leaving the venue is worse because everyone goes straight to the station because of my point earlier that there's nothing around. if you don't leave before the game, you need to line up in a cattle chute for 15-20 mins to get access to the station. at least at moore park, everyone is going in different directions to the different routes home or off to the myriad of options for food and drinks.

the venue was fine for 2 weeks during the olympics, but making it a regular thing every fortnight for home games is the pits. it really is a sterile grey site.

 

[Timbo]

Literally hundreds of thousands of people would have stopped supporting rugby league and the 4 clubs you speak of would struggle to get 500 to a game because people have no attachment to them. Rupert tried to kill rugby league.

Whilst I do agree SL was a terrible idea, that number of teams is probably sound.

If you were creating the NRL from scratch today in a 16 team competition, how many teams would you put in Sydney? 3-4 max.

 

[Perth Red]

Whilst I do agree SL was a terrible idea, that number of teams is probably sound.

If you were creating the NRL from scratch today in a 16 team competition, how many teams would you put in Sydney? 3-4 max.

Probably 5-6 given the size of the market, geography of the city and RL's main population base.
ideally starting from scratch and an 18 team comp you'd have
5 Sydney
3 regional NSW
2 Brisbane
2 regional Qlnd
2 NZ
Canberra
Melbourne
Perth
Adelaide

 

[Brutus]

Maybe superleague was correct after all

4 teams north south east and west in sydney now 23 years on

Would probably be averaging 40k each 2 at ANZ and. 2 at Allianz

Coupled with 10-12 other teams across rest of country and nz

Rupert may have been a genius

No it wasn't. The game would be totally f**ked under that scenario.

 

[Marlins]

Whilst I do agree SL was a terrible idea, that number of teams is probably sound.

If you were creating the NRL from scratch today in a 16 team competition, how many teams would you put in Sydney? 3-4 max.

18 team comp
Nqld Cowboys
Brisbane Broncos
Gold Coast
Redcliffe Dolphins
Ipswich Jets
Newcastle Knights
Manly Central Coast Sea Eagles
Western Sydney Eels
Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs
South Sydney Rabbitohs
St.Geroge Suntherland Dragons
Illawarra Steelers
Canberra Raiders
West Coast Panthers
Adelaide/Eastern Roosters
Melbourne Storm
Auckland Warriors
Christchurch Sharks

 

[Hardcore_Fan]

18 team comp
Nqld Cowboys
Brisbane Broncos
Gold Coast
Redcliffe Dolphins
Ipswich Jets
Newcastle Knights
Manly Central Coast Sea Eagles
Western Sydney Eels
Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs
South Sydney Rabbitohs
St.Geroge Suntherland Dragons
Illawarra Steelers
Canberra Raiders
West Coast Panthers
Adelaide/Eastern Roosters
Melbourne Storm
Auckland Warriors
Christchurch Sharks

Probably the worst attempt I have ever seen from anyone trying to list what teams should be in the NRL

 

[adamkungl]

Adelaide/Eastern
i dont think you know where Adelaide is champ

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Literally hundreds of thousands of people would have stopped supporting rugby league and the 4 clubs you speak of would struggle to get 500 to a game because people have no attachment to them. Rupert tried to kill rugby league.

TBF, we dis exactly this in Brisbane and it seemed to work fine...

Kill 10 suburban teams and create a single united club for te national competition. RL in Brisbane aeems to be doing fine.

Unless you want to argue thats totally different because "Brisbane is a united city while Sydney has local rivalries" or some convenient bullshit like that...

 

[Jizmos]

I'd argue location is shit.

first of all it's just inside the western sydney border - the old auburn council now merged cumberland council.

there's nothing there. you need to take the train in and then straight into the ground as options outside/around the venue are extremely limited. great thing about moore park are the options around the area in paddo, surry hills, redfern (now it's come up), darlo and the cbd. at olympic park, there's one pub with lines serving beer in plastic cups, and the same old shit marquees for food outside the ground, and your typical shitty franchise mcdonalds, oporto, etc options.

for big events, you're generally jammed in on the train that moves at a snails pace, and leaving the venue is worse because everyone goes straight to the station because of my point earlier that there's nothing around. if you don't leave before the game, you need to line up in a cattle chute for 15-20 mins to get access to the station. at least at moore park, everyone is going in different directions to the different routes home or off to the myriad of options for food and drinks.

the venue was fine for 2 weeks during the olympics, but making it a regular thing every fortnight for home games is the pits. it really is a sterile grey site.

Sorry, i should have elaborated on the location portion.

I do agree with basically everything you've written there.
I was more meaning location as in ability to get to stadium for the general population.

The precinct could definitely do with more food and drink options.

 

[hutch]

TBF, we dis exactly this in Brisbane and it seemed to work fine...

Kill 10 suburban teams and create a single united club for te national competition. RL in Brisbane aeems to be doing fine.

Unless you want to argue thats totally different because "Brisbane is a united city while Sydney has local rivalries" or some convenient bullshit like that...

I appreciate the old Brisbane comp had its fans but it didn't have the supporter base, national profile or history of the old Sydney comp. This isn't a crack at Brisbane, Qld or anybody involved. Don't get upset banana benders, but the two comps werent (literally) in the same league.

 

[Perth Red]

Horse has bolted, needed to happen back in the 80's/ early 90's but ideally Sydney would have been made up of a club covering:
Western Sydney (parra&panthers regions)
SW Sydney (Wests&Bulldogs regions)
Southern Sydney (Sharks and Dragons regions)
Northern Sydney (Manly and NS regions)
Sydney City (Roosters and Souths regions)

Now if these should have been new clubs, mergers or the strongest club left standing and where the club should have had its stadium is a mute discussion now. What we have is an over saturated market, some small outer suburban clubs, some bigger Sydney wide clubs, a mixture of run down 1970's grounds and modern too large for purpose grounds. Bit of a mess really.