The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

RL in Sydney,for regular season games, doesn't need 65-50k stadia that's for sure

Of course it doesn't.

Question becomes how many events would you need to make a 65k seat stadium viable?

NRL GF
SOO
Bledisloe (maybe, not attracting crowds it once did)
One big Socceroos match
2-3 concerts
Touring EPL match
Maybe Aleague GF?


If the stadium can pull off a good intimate mode, it'll be fine for club NRL. Lower bowl will likely be around 30k, so if you restrict club game seating to that area, you can pull off a decent atmosphere.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Liverpool, etc will come for $$$. With a great 50K stadium you can charge more for better seats. Anyway, as a am not a soccer fan, I am more concerned about with will keep RL alive and kicking.

You'll lock some sports fans out of some pretty big events, it'll become the domain of the wealthy. That's a concern.

Remember at 50k the amount of tickets available for a big event is much less. Membership might be 10k, probably another 5-7k corporate seats.

That'll leave you with 33-35k to sell.

That's too small for our main stadium.

 

[adamkungl]

The only groups you mentioned that would say "SFS is the only option, ANZ can f*ck off" are Waratars and Sydney FC, both of who can live happily in a 30k stadium.

The clear problem with Moore Park is the transport links. Say whatever else about Hombush, the place can take 100k people comfortably...

Every major entertainment organisation with any sense would rather big events be held in the CBD.
Except the inward looking NRL.

 

[big hit!]

Every major entertainment organisation with any sense would rather big events be held in the CBD.
Except the inward looking NRL.

didn't you know? the metropolitan has been unofficially reorganised by folks from western sydney so all geographical legend of Sydney is now referenced from olympic park. the suburbs of rydalmere and meadowbank will be renamed north sydney, and homebush and lidcombe will become south sydney.

this CBD you speak of is apparently in east sydney. the RMS need to keep up!

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Not anymore, Gladys must have asked him to pull his head in.


ANZ Stadium rebuild the priority: Ayres
NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres insists a remodelling of ANZ Stadium as the city's premier rectangular ground is the number one priority for the state government.

Mr Ayres also suggested the government could also set aside more than the originally proposed $1.6 billion for their stadia strategy last year.

Speaking at the NRL's finals captain's call on Monday, Mr Ayres said NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian is not wedded to the figure allotted by her predecessor Mike Baird in 2016.

"She says there is capacity for that envelope to be expanded, but it needs to be part of a coherent strategy. We know we've got to invest in more than one stadium," Mr Ayres said.

"This is not a contest between ANZ Stadium and Allianz Stadium.

It's about making sure that we get the right suite of sporting facilities across Sydney that service all of our sports.

"That means we've got to have the best main stadium, the best mid-sized stadiums, and it also means we've got to have facilities for emerging sports like netball and basketball."

Ayres comments come after reports the government could spend up to $3 billion over ten years on sites at Homebush and Moore Park, as well as Penrith and the SCG.

"We've got to be able to make sure we invest in facilities in our growing west," he said.

"Over two million people will live west of M7 (motorway) by 2036. We simply can't ignore that population as we plan out our stadia plan."

Ayres also confirmed the new 30,000-set Parramatta Stadium is in the final stages of beginning construction and is on track to open by May 2019.

However ANZ Stadium is set to take up the bulk of their budgeted finances, with up to $700 million used to transform the venue into a world-class facility for rectangular sports.

There have recently been suggestions Allianz Stadium could receive a bigger injection and be given the nod to rebuild ahead of the Homebush site.

Ayres admits the state could lose at least one NRL grand final during the construction of both ANZ and Allianz, with the event possibly moved to Brisbane or the SCG.

"There's probably not enough facilities around Sydney to be able to maintain all the premium content if both of the stadiums are offline at the same time," Ayres said.

"It's a pretty big call to say we don't want the NRL grand final in NSW. It's a pretty big call to say that we don't have a 50,000-seat stadium to host State of Origin.

"It's a pretty big call to turn your back on some of the biggest music acts in the world if you can't supply a venue large enough to host them.

"So there's a lot of content issues at play as we make this decision, and it's important we map out the stadium sequence over a long enough period of time to make the investment viable."

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/09/05/03/36/anz-stadium-rebuild-the-priority-ayres


What i took out of this piece.

Both stadiums need to get done, we must make sure there is enough money for both.

Also looks like having both ANZ and Alliance out of order at the same time is not advisable due to content loss during that period.

ANZ is priority.

Whether this change is coming from Gladys or the snake himself, its clear the lobbying for ANZ is hitting hard and making their attempt to shift funding to the f*cking Trust very difficult...

As long as the NRL and clubs hold their nerve, funding will go to Homebush given that is where most of the users will come from. But if the NRL collapse on this, it should be Greenburgs head.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Every major entertainment organisation with any sense would rather big events be held in the CBD.
Except the inward looking NRL.

Moore Park isnt in the CDB, it isnt even on a major transport link...

If the offer was a stadium on Hyde Park or something, id say go for it. But the transport links around Moore park struggle for a 40k, how can you expect them to almost double that and cope?

I agree that Homebush isnt perfect, but with some decent transport links to Parra and some investment into carnival events in the precinct around the stadium make it the best choice for the cities big stadium.

Moore park (if the money is there) would be better as a AAMI Park copy, as a super high quality 30k...

 

[adamkungl]

Moore Park isnt in the CDB, it isnt even on a major transport link...

If the offer was a stadium on Hyde Park or something, id say go for it. But the transport links around Moore park struggle for a 40k, how can you expect them to almost double that and cope?

I agree that Homebush isnt perfect, but with some decent transport links to Parra and some investment into carnival events in the precinct around the stadium make it the best choice for the cities big stadium.

Moore park (if the money is there) would be better as a AAMI Park copy, as a super high quality 30k...

Moore Park transport links don't struggle, the carpark does. Shrink the carpark anyway, people shouldn't be driving to big stadiums. Getting out of Moore park in any way except car is fine. People catch buses or walk out, and from central people are getting onto 6 different train lines instead of lining up for 40 mins for 2 like after Origin games.
And the existing transport is being supplemented by a light rail which will go from Town hall to Central to the stadium in minutes.

A 40 min cattle herd onto a packed train is the experience I get every time I'm stupid enough to go to a big event at Olympic park

 

[Timbo]

Does it really need to be 80k though?

The question has to be asked what really is the best capacity for this stadium.

80k is maintained for no other reason than it's the required capacity to host a FIFA World Cup Final. An event that Australia has virtually no chance of hosting.

I thought 65k as was suggested at Moore Park would be ideal, even from the back row you'd have a good view if the rake was steep enough.

 

[adamkungl]

Does it really need to be 80k though?

The question has to be asked what really is the best capacity for this stadium.

80k is maintained for no other reason than it's the required capacity to host a FIFA World Cup Final. An event that Australia has virtually no chance of hosting.

I thought 65k as was suggested at Moore Park would be ideal, even from the back row you'd have a good view if the rake was steep enough.

What about a Rugby World Cup final? Not that we care, but the government certainly would.

 

[horrie hastings]

Moore Park transport links don't struggle, the carpark does. Shrink the carpark anyway, people shouldn't be driving to big stadiums. Getting out of Moore park in any way except car is fine. People catch buses or walk out, and from central people are getting onto 6 different train lines instead of lining up for 40 mins for 2 like after Origin games.
And the existing transport is being supplemented by a light rail which will go from Town hall to Central to the stadium in minutes.

A 40 min cattle herd onto a packed train is the experience I get every time I'm stupid enough to go to a big event at Olympic park

Yeah it would be a nightmare getting out of the car parks that are on the grass at Moore Park or the Fox Studio car park but when I drive to the game I park in the Gold Members car park and always get out quickly and home in about 25 mins to St Peters whether it be a Roosters or Swans game. I only drive to games if they are going be a late finish, other wise day games or ones that finish early evening I am happy to catch a bus.
And yes the problem with the train from Olympic Park if the game finishes late you are herded onto trains like cattle.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Does it really need to be 80k though?

The question has to be asked what really is the best capacity for this stadium.

80k is maintained for no other reason than it's the required capacity to host a FIFA World Cup Final. An event that Australia has virtually no chance of hosting.

I thought 65k as was suggested at Moore Park would be ideal, even from the back row you'd have a good view if the rake was steep enough.

65k is the sweet spot I think.

Big enough for the GF & SOO but still convertible enough for club games.

Re the World Cup. I wouldn't say we're no chance of hosting, particularly if FIFA stick to their policy of 2/3 of WC's out of Europe. But we will have to wait our turn, China & USA will go first.

By that time you'd be looking at 2046 or
something. A new stadium will likely be needed, if not a simple provision for an extension from 65k to 80k should be allowed for.

 

[herbert henry1908]

What about a Rugby World Cup final? Not that we care, but the government certainly would.

Rugby are in no position to make demands, particularly just for one game every 30 years.

 

[morley101]

Meanwhile, concrete is being poured onto the first formwork at the southern end of Parramatta Stadium today.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Yeah it would be a nightmare getting out of the car parks that are on the grass at Moore Park or the Fox Studio car park but when I drive to the game I park in the Gold Members car park and always get out quickly and home in about 25 mins to St Peters whether it be a Roosters or Swans game. I only drive to games if they are going be a late finish, other wise day games or ones that finish early evening I am happy to catch a bus.
And yes the problem with the train from Olympic Park if the game finishes late you are herded onto trains like cattle.

Trains will be fixed to Olympic park within 10 years. Metro line coming, 10 mins to the city & 10 mins to parra.

So they'll have 2 seperate trains lines for big events.

I'd prefer an inner city stadium for big events but you can't deny that Olympic park is easier for most people to get to.

 

[Billythekid]

Does it really need to be 80k though?

The question has to be asked what really is the best capacity for this stadium.

80k is maintained for no other reason than it's the required capacity to host a FIFA World Cup Final. An event that Australia has virtually no chance of hosting.

I thought 65k as was suggested at Moore Park would be ideal, even from the back row you'd have a good view if the rake was steep enough.

I think you can go above 65K capacity and still have a stadium that has good atmosphere with an NRL crowd. The problem with ANZ isn't the capacity it's the way the stadium is shaped. If it was a better design a 15-20K crowd wouldn't be so terrible.

I agree though that I don't think the arbitrary number of 80K is all that important. I'd like to see it with above 70K but what all I really care about is that we get a quality purpose built rectangular stadium with decent gradients for the stands.

 

[horrie hastings]

Trains will be fixed to Olympic park within 10 years. Metro line coming, 10 mins to the city & 10 mins to parra.

So they'll have 2 seperate trains lines for big events.

I'd prefer an inner city stadium for big events but you can't deny that Olympic park is easier for most people to get to.

I just hate how if a game finishes say 9.30pm -10 pm you are just herded onto the trains, if its an earlier finish you can stagger your departure and hang around and have a beer or something to eat but there isn't that option with a 10pm finish.
I do agree that Olympic park is not to hard to get, I jump on a train at St Peters to Redfern then get a direct train from Redfern, generally takes about an hour if the connections are ok.

 

[El Diablo]

Rugby are in no position to make demands, particularly just for one game every 30 years.

and now Twiggy wants to start Super League Union style

 

[Last Week]

Every major entertainment organisation with any sense would rather big events be held in the CBD.
Except the inward looking NRL.

With the Parramatta CBD developing like it is, West Sydney booming in population, and the majority of Sydney Rugby League fans living out that way, ANZ is the best option for the big games such as Origin and the Grand Final.

As the CBD in Sydney grows, there's less and less residents living there. The only reason why Moore Park would be more favourable is for the corporate support relatively near by.

I'm not saying that a new stadium in the CBD wouldn't be great, of course it would. But Sydney Rugby League fans would be better serviced by ANZ.

Further, again using the NFL as an example, but I believe the NFL teams mostly have their stadiums away from their respective CBDs. And their game is more corporate than ours.

 

[herbert henry1908]

With the Parramatta CBD developing like it is, West Sydney booming in population, and the majority of Sydney Rugby League fans living out that way, ANZ is the best option for the big games such as Origin and the Grand Final.

As the CBD in Sydney grows, there's less and less residents living there. The only reason why Moore Park would be more favourable is for the corporate support relatively near by.

I'm not saying that a new stadium in the CBD wouldn't be great, of course it would. But Sydney Rugby League fans would be better serviced by ANZ.

Further, again using the NFL as an example, but I believe the NFL teams mostly have their stadiums away from their respective CBDs. And their game is more corporate than ours.

Less residents living in the CBD & surrounds?

Not a chance.

Less rugby league fans perhaps but the CBD & inner city population is booming.

Population of the CBD itself is forecast to double from 2011 to 2036.

The surrounding growth is even bigger with areas like Alexandria, green square etc.

 

[siv]

With the Parramatta CBD developing like it is, West Sydney booming in population, and the majority of Sydney Rugby League fans living out that way, ANZ is the best option for the big games such as Origin and the Grand Final.

As the CBD in Sydney grows, there's less and less residents living there. The only reason why Moore Park would be more favourable is for the corporate support relatively near by.

I'm not saying that a new stadium in the CBD wouldn't be great, of course it would. But Sydney Rugby League fans would be better serviced by ANZ.

Further, again using the NFL as an example, but I believe the NFL teams mostly have their stadiums away from their respective CBDs. And their game is more corporate than ours.

SFS is serviced by a central train station that services EVERY train line city and country

ANZ only services the Western and Bankstown lines and ignores its two key hub stations of Strathfield and Central

Metro line won't solve that problem for regular public transport users or regional supporters