The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

So Daley claims that saying he 'won't spend a cent on stadiums' doesn't affect the GF because it's not played at the SFS?

He is not a moron, he is trying to pressure the NRL into giving keeping the gf here...

The ARLC need to be careful to not come across as the bad guys in this and lose the fans. Dont get emotional and just keep everything very formal.

The best approach would be something like “we congradulate the new NSW labor government. It is unfortunate that they have cancelled the stadium redevelopment, but we understand that this was the will of the party. It is disappointing that our agreement was broken, but we will not dwell on that. We are very excited about the opportunity to take out GF all across the country” *smiles*

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

I suspect this is essentially how it will play out if Labor get elected. Hole in ground, new government cancels $780m too big stadium. Inquries launched, much scandal uncovered at previous government’s expense. Eventually new smaller “budget” stadium in mould of WSS agreed for ~$400m after inquiry acknowledges need for some sort of inner city venue. Abolition of SCG Trust and/or move to Central Station are optional parts of the saga. Delay 1-2 years, at least one Grand Final played interstate, massive extra compensation pay outs to current tenants.

Leigh

Democracy definitely has its drawbacks.

You cannot commit to anything longer than an election cycle

 

[Quidgybo]

Im pretty sure Perth and Adelaide would be happy to host and subsidise NRL teams, the problem is that the NRL isnt giving out new licences and the existing clubs arent keen on moving...

Watch this space? Now that the NRL has warned everyone that there’ll be no future bailouts, things will get interesting the first time someone gets into trouble. Half the clubs still lost money even after the massive increase in grants. Some of those have Leagues Clubs with deep pockets, some don’t. And if at the other end, courtesy of the Grand Final bid process, we have state governments in WA and SA heavily motivated to improve their facilities and offer generous stadium deals and sponsorships... again perhaps just watch this space.

Leigh.

 

[The Great Dane]

I think we shouldn't get our hopes up to much about taking the GF on the road and using it for to grow the game and for leverage on top of the financial benefits, cause even if Labour do get elected and pull out of the deal and the NRL do take the GF away from Sydney (I'm still not convinced that they'll actually follow through with taking it away from Sydney TBH), then knowing the NRL they'll probably just sell the rights to Queensland for 20 years or whatever without even considering the GF's commercial possibilities. They probably won't even consider a bid for the hosting rights from Victoria...

So yeah though selling the rights on a yearly basis is the best thing to do they probably won't do it even when they get the opportunity cause it's not the easiest thing to do and it requires long term thinking.

 

[Canard]

I think we shouldn't get our hopes up to much about taking the GF on the road and using it for to grow the game and for leverage on top of the financial benefits, cause even if Labour do get elected and pull out of the deal and the NRL do take the GF away from Sydney (I'm still not convinced that they'll actually follow through with taking it away from Sydney TBH), then knowing the NRL they'll probably just sell the rights to Queensland for 20 years or whatever without even considering the GF's commercial possibilities. They probably won't even consider a bid for the hosting rights from Victoria...

So yeah though selling the rights on a yearly basis is the best thing to do they probably won't do it even when they get the opportunity cause it's not the easiest thing to do and it requires long term thinking.

You've twisted yourself into some hypothetical knots there

 

[herbert henry1908]

I suspect this is essentially how it will play out if Labor get elected. Hole in ground, new government cancels $780m too big stadium. Inquries launched, much scandal uncovered at previous government’s expense. Eventually new smaller “budget” stadium in mould of WSS agreed for ~$400m after inquiry acknowledges need for some sort of inner city venue. Abolition of SCG Trust and/or move to Central Station are optional parts of the saga. Delay 1-2 years, at least one Grand Final played interstate, massive extra compensation pay outs to current tenants.

Leigh

Abolishing the trust will be an absolute sh*t fight, but it’s a battle worth having.

 

[Diesel]

Abolishing the trust will be an absolute sh*t fight, but it’s a battle worth having.

Yep, f**k those rugby types

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

I think we shouldn't get our hopes up to much about taking the GF on the road and using it for to grow the game and for leverage on top of the financial benefits, cause even if Labour do get elected and pull out of the deal and the NRL do take the GF away from Sydney (I'm still not convinced that they'll actually follow through with taking it away from Sydney TBH), then knowing the NRL they'll probably just sell the rights to Queensland for 20 years or whatever without even considering the GF's commercial possibilities. They probably won't even consider a bid for the hosting rights from Victoria...

So yeah though selling the rights on a yearly basis is the best thing to do they probably won't do it even when they get the opportunity cause it's not the easiest thing to do and it requires long term thinking.

My hope is based on seeing what they are doing with Origin...

They are taking games all across the country even though the easy option would be just letting NSW/QLD host a second game. They are making plenty of cash from it and they are seeing how much attention its getting them in these new markets. I actually think the ARLC is showing some vision when they are able to. This conservative approach seems to only occur when the Sydney clubland warlords have their say.

Im not certain the game will start moving like we hope it will, but i reckon the NRL will at least get a big payday from the NSW government if nothing else (Labor have refused to put money into stadiums, but they havent said anything about directly paying for hosting rights.)

 

[El Diablo]

Abolishing the trust will be an absolute sh*t fight, but it’s a battle worth having.

or at least make sure that a Vicderpian AFL flog can't be the chairman

 

[The Great Dane]

My hope is based on seeing what they are doing with Origin...
They are taking games all across the country even though the easy option would be just letting NSW/QLD host a second game. They are making plenty of cash from it and they are seeing how much attention its getting them in these new markets. I actually think the ARLC is showing some vision when they are able to. This conservative approach seems to only occur when the Sydney clubland warlords have their say.

Im not certain the game will start moving like we hope it will, but i reckon the NRL will at least get a big payday from the NSW government if nothing else (Labor have refused to put money into stadiums, but they havent said anything about directly paying for hosting rights.)

If there was only one SOO game you still reckon they'd take it on the road, I'm not so sure they would...

I guess you've got more faith in the NRL then I've got anymore.

You've twisted yourself into some hypothetical knots there

Kind of impossible not to when talking about a subject that is so up in the air...

 

[AJB1102]

"If Todd Greenberg and his mates decide to take the Grand Final out of Sydney then it is on him," Mr Daley told the Herald yesterday.

Greenberg is said to be delighted someone thinks he has mates

 

[franklin2323]

Are there any figures of how much money a grand final or an origin brings to a city?

Going by experience, me and the wife went to the Sydney origin, stayed 2 nights, ate out, used buses and taxis to get around, shopped in the city. Including the SOO tickets, the weekend probably cost $1500.

For the grand final it was a similar amount.

Would it fair that on average, the 80,000 people attending an event would roughly spend a minimum of $300 on the event(tickets,transport, food and drinks) up to $700 for those needing accommodation and other expenses, so at an average of $500 a person and being conservative, could a sold out event generate $40m?

I am sure the Bon Jovi concert their this week gets people from all over the state. Over the 20 year life of the stadium you'd get Atleast 100 major events on your figures. That is $4b so more then pays for itself.

The NRL should get music promoters etc onboard too. Show such figures

 

[El Diablo]

I am sure the Bon Jovi concert their this week gets people from all over the state. Over the 20 year life of the stadium you'd get Atleast 100 major events on your figures. That is $4b so more then pays for itself.

The NRL should get music promoters etc onboard too. Show such figures

they probably couldn't give a stuff about the configuration

they might like a roof though

 

[insert.pause]

He is not a moron, he is trying to pressure the NRL into giving keeping the gf here...

The ARLC need to be careful to not come across as the bad guys in this and lose the fans. Dont get emotional and just keep everything very formal.

The best approach would be something like “we congradulate the new NSW labor government. It is unfortunate that they have cancelled the stadium redevelopment, but we understand that this was the will of the party. It is disappointing that our agreement was broken, but we will not dwell on that. We are very excited about the opportunity to take out GF all across the country” *smiles*

He’s a moron because by saying they won’t spend a cent on stadiums that includes the redevelopment of ANZ, the venue of the NRL GF. So obviously it does impact directly on the states ability to host the game.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I think this stadium has been discussed here before, it’s St Helens home ground. Cost £25m

Yeah, it’s pretty much a shell of a stadium. But I doubt you could do it for less than $150m here.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Now Nine has joined in.

“Sydney is a world class city that needs world class stadia,” Nine CEO Hugh Marks said in a statement.

“The NRL is NSW’s premier sporting competition and needs modern facilities to continue to grow and thrive. Parramatta and the Greater West will be well catered for with the new Western Sydney Stadium to open early next year.

ah sorry about that nine, but us lower mountains and leonay folk are already well catered for with carrington park

 

[VictoryFC]

I think this stadium has been discussed here before, it’s St Helens home ground. Cost £25m

Yeah, it’s pretty much a shell of a stadium. But I doubt you could do it for less than $150m here.

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In many cases, the actual materials and labour costs are not the biggest expenditures. It's the land. I'd wager that land is a lot more expensive in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, etc than in St Helens.

 

[Quidgybo]

He’s a moron because by saying they won’t spend a cent on stadiums that includes the redevelopment of ANZ, the venue of the NRL GF. So obviously it does impact directly on the states ability to host the game.

But if we’re really honest with ourselves, it’s not the Grand Final venue that’s the problem. It’s one game a year. Throw in one Origin game and maybe two other games that require a capacity greater than 35,000. The game can handle the compromises of ANZ for just four games a year. Same as the game can handle one off games at the MCG or the new Perth Stadium. The big events aren’t the problem.

The problem is the majority of events we hold in Sydney - regular club games drawing an average of ~16,000. The present ANZ is absolute crap for those games. Its lack of atmosphere due to the stadium being way oversized and oval-ish actually detracts from the presentation of the game. It damages the game’s ability to grow crowds. The SFS, while better, is still too big for average club games in Sydney and its facilities are out of date in the modern sports market.

The game can’t afford to lose sight of what we’re really after in all this. It isn’t a glitzy venue for our one big day a year. It’s purpose built venues that maximise the experience for the much more numerous bog standard club games. Venues that don’t detract from what’s happening on the field, that help keep fans coming back for a great experience week after week, and venues that make club games look like something worth attending when folks see them on TV.

Leigh.

 

[Canard]

I think this stadium has been discussed here before, it’s St Helens home ground. Cost £25m

Yeah, it’s pretty much a shell of a stadium. But I doubt you could do it for less than $150m here.

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It's a myth perpetuated by LU soap dodgers that stadiums are cheaper to build in the UK.This one and other English league venues are essentially park football stadiums equivalent to a tarted up Brookvale Oval or Campelltown.

Wembley(£800M a decade ago), Emirates(£450M a decade ago) and the new Spurs stadium(£400M) are more relevant comparisons to building stadia in Sydney.

 

[juro]

In many cases, the actual materials and labour costs are not the biggest expenditures. It's the land. I'd wager that land is a lot more expensive in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, etc than in St Helens.

Doesn't the government already own the land???