The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

Look at where Badgery’s Creek is on a map though. It’s pretty much the exact mid-point between Penrith, Bankstown and Campbelltown. You are right though in that Dogs territory around Liverpool is closer, but then so are areas like Erskine Park and Glenmore Park which would be Penrith territory and growing further in that direction. Basically all three territories are going to converge there as Sydney continues to grow.

Badgerys is too far for the dogs. Liverpool is too far for the panthers.

I don’t see this potential stadium being able to service 3 NRL teams.

You’d either have the dogs & Tigers, or the Tigers & panthers. I also doubt the Aleague club will play anywhere but the MacArthur. That was their big selling point, as to not be too close to the Wanderers.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Might also get more people from outside the traditional area interested in supporting Penrith. Not to mention gate sales are worth more than what members pay so having 10k plus opposition fans paying at the gate would be a nice earner. Penrith crowd avg has been pretty poor last few years ranging from 10k-14.6k. Some crowd boosts from games at Bankwest would help the games avg for sure. Should be done in partnership with NRL so transport, marketing, stadium hire etc can be financially supported.

Those areas are already well covered by existing teams, why would someone closer to parramatta all of a sudden start supporting the panthers?

The best you get out if it is the gate takings of opposition fans. You need to weigh that against potential losses.

 

[Perth Red]

Those areas are already well covered by existing teams, why would someone closer to parramatta all of a sudden start supporting the panthers?

The best you get out if it is the gate takings of opposition fans. You need to weigh that against potential losses.

There is plenty of areas sitting between parramatta and Penrith, the further east from penrith could still be convinced to follow them, especially if there were games closer to them at Bankwest. People move around a lot more these days and its an old fashioned notion that a clubs fans will only be living in a certain set of postcodes within 15km of their suburb name.
I agree though it is a business decision for penrith ultimately. Just be nice to see the game benefit from the opportunity Bankwest has now provided

 

[Marlins]

There is plenty of areas sitting between parramatta and Penrith, the further east from penrith could still be convinced to follow them, especially if there were games closer to them at Bankwest. People move around a lot more these days and its an old fashioned notion that a clubs fans will only be living in a certain set of postcodes within 15km of their suburb name.
I agree though it is a business decision for penrith ultimately. Just be nice to see the game benefit from the opportunity Bankwest has now provided

If the Tigers and dogs take their matches against Penrith, along with the Eels, to BankWest, that’d be enough. The Panthers would benefit more, if they played their home games against those sides at Penrith.

 

[TheFrog]

Penrith Vs the Eels at BankWest probably pulls 20-25k, depending on the form of the teams. Ditto dogs & Tigers.

For a couple of years the new joint will draw well, but it'll gradually drop from the very start. This is what happened at Parra Stadium, which itself was new and lovely just 33 years ago. The club's fans aren't stupid. They'll know they are coming second to the almighty dollar. If the Panthers are in need of cash, they should consider curbing the huge payouts.

 

[herbert henry1908]

There is plenty of areas sitting between parramatta and Penrith, the further east from penrith could still be convinced to follow them, especially if there were games closer to them at Bankwest. People move around a lot more these days and its an old fashioned notion that a clubs fans will only be living in a certain set of postcodes within 15km of their suburb name.
I agree though it is a business decision for penrith ultimately. Just be nice to see the game benefit from the opportunity Bankwest has now provided

Penrith support goes out to around blacktown, further east than that is Eels territory. Trying to turn them into Panthers fans is a pretty difficult task, and it’s not going to happen from 3 or so games at Bankwest.

There’s benefits to bankwest, but there’s also negatives. I don’t see enough benefits for the Panthers.

Extra gate takings, but you possibly lose members & you definitely lose leagues club revenue.

One big positive of BankWest for the Panthers is a finals venue close to home.

 

[herbert henry1908]

For a couple of years the new joint will draw well, but it'll gradually drop from the very start. This is what happened at Parra Stadium, which itself was new and lovely just 33 years ago. The club's fans aren't stupid. They'll know they are coming second to the almighty dollar. If the Panthers are in need of cash, they should consider curbing the huge payouts.

Crowds will likely drop off from the initial excitement, but the ground will still have a bigger drawing capacity than other grounds or what it replaced.

But as I’ve said, I don’t see enough benefits for the Panthers. But it’s a nice option to have for maybe 1 or 2 blockbuster games if the occasion warrants it.

 

[Marlins]

Penrith support goes out to around blacktown, further east than that is Eels territory. Trying to turn them into Panthers fans is a pretty difficult task, and it’s not going to happen from 3 or so games at Bankwest.

There’s benefits to bankwest, but there’s also negatives. I don’t see enough benefits for the Panthers.

Extra gate takings, but you possibly lose members & you definitely lose leagues club revenue.

One big positive of BankWest for the Panthers is a finals venue close to home.

Definitely agree with the Panthers playing finals at BankWest.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Looks like BW is close to sell out on Sunday ..

This game in old PS would probably have got 16k..

 

[Suitman]

Looks like BW is close to sell out on Sunday ..

This game in old PS would probably have got 16k..

Their next 3 home games are Penrith, Souths and Broncos.
The first 2 will almost certainly be sellouts, and the Broncos game will still probably get over 20000.
So that'll be 4 crowds between 28-30000 and 1 crowd around 20-22000 to start their tenure at Bankwest.
Not bad.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Agreed. The Panthers probably just need to sit tight for now - apparently there is going to be some heavy investment in and around the SW Sydney Airport as some sort of technological metropolis of the future and it's plausible that a Bankwest 2.0 would be part of the plans.

Yeah I'm thinking a 10-20 year plan here. there will be massive growth in that region and those three clubs are the ones whose territory will be most effected. With the move toward higher class shared facilities they have an opportunity to plan for.

 

[dogz08]

Their next 3 home games are Penrith, Souths and Broncos.
The first 2 will almost certainly be sellouts, and the Broncos game will still probably get over 20000.
So that'll be 4 crowds between 28-30000 and 1 crowd around 20-22000 to start their tenure at Bankwest.
Not bad.

Panthers game is on a Thursday night but..

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Definitely agree with the Panthers playing finals at BankWest.

I mean, it's not like they have many other options.

 

[Suitman]

Panthers game is on a Thursday night but..

Oops, missed that. Make it a 15-18000

 

[adamkungl]

Look at where Badgery’s Creek is on a map though. It’s pretty much the exact mid-point between Penrith, Bankstown and Campbelltown.

Or in other words, it's the furthest point from any of their centres that isn't in someone else's territory, AKA the middle of nowhere.
A good location for an airport is not a good location for a football stadium.

 

[big hit!]

Looks like BW is close to sell out on Sunday ..

This game in old PS would probably have got 16k..

new stadium effect. crowds are going to be bigger than average for a while. the test will be future seasons

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Badgerys is too far for the dogs. Liverpool is too far for the panthers.

I don’t see this potential stadium being able to service 3 NRL teams.

You’d either have the dogs & Tigers, or the Tigers & panthers. I also doubt the Aleague club will play anywhere but the MacArthur. That was their big selling point, as to not be too close to the Wanderers.

Why would Badgerys be too far for the Dogs? It’s closer to their existing territory than the others. Especially if public transport infrastructure that runs through Canterbury-Bankstown-Liverpool is extended to Badgerys.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Or in other words, it's the furthest point from any of their centres that isn't in someone else's territory, AKA the middle of nowhere.
A good location for an airport is not a good location for a football stadium.

But it’s not just going to be an airport. Long term strategic plans are for there to essentially be a whole city around the area.

 

[adamkungl]

Why would Badgerys be too far for the Dogs? It’s closer to their existing territory than the others. Especially if public transport infrastructure that runs through Canterbury-Bankstown-Liverpool is extended to Badgerys.

But it’s not just going to be an airport. Long term strategic plans are for there to essentially be a whole city around the area.

A lot of time and a lot of IFs have to pass before that's the case. It might be a good location for a stadium in 30 years but it isn't now.

Olympic Park 20 years on is still somewhat lifeless, still has annoying transport from major centres that won't be properly resolved until the metro is completed.

 

[greenBV4]

But it’s not just going to be an airport. Long term strategic plans are for there to essentially be a whole city around the area.

Isn't next to an airport generally not a nice place to live? Noisy planes coming in and out at all hours of the day/night and usually lots of industrial areas?

Doesn't seem like the most viable place to build a new city