The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[morley101]

Great idea here by the eels. Adding accomodation to increase customer count to their club next door. Such forward thinking, if only other clubs did similar.

Cost is up to $140 Million..

 

[Colk]

No. What it says is that some teams have really crap recruitment officers. Even in sports which have salary caps and drafts (e.g. NFL, NBA), you still wind up with teams who do well year after year and others who are poor year after year. As such real world experience shows how much manure your contention is.

Rightio my contention is manure.

Let’s go through your points

You claim in other competitions where there are salary caps and drafts etc (even if I am supporting a draft per se I’ll factor it in) you have the same teams are always winning.

There is a counter argument

I don’t know about NFL but I looked up the New England Patriots and Tom Brady. They made seven finals in 20 years. They had no success prior and it has largely coincided with that player. We can judge how well they’ll go in the next few years now that Brady has gone. It’s probably going go down like Jordan and the Bulls - ever since he has retired they haven’t gone close. Essentially their success has come because of a freak athlete not because of any problems with the system itself - they were lucky they didn’t use an inflexible system to gain an advantage.

The second and most important factor in all of this is the way in which you have achieved your success: essentially buying multiple star players from opposition teams. In a system that works that would be impossible because generally speaking you would have to outbid or at least match other teams offers in order to purchase the player - in a totally transparent system it would be all on the table. Take the example of LA Lakers. Even with the pull of LA as a city they haven’t been able to buy the best players every year because the system hasn’t allowed them to. As a result, they have had golden periods with Kobe/Shaq, they had years of not competing, then had some success with Lebron. They will go backwards again once Lebron and others retire. It’s called ebb and flow

 

[Valheru]

Rightio my contention is manure.

Let’s go through your points

You claim in other competitions where there are salary caps and drafts etc (even if I am supporting a draft per se I’ll factor it in) you have the same teams are always winning.

There is a counter argument

I don’t know about NFL but I looked up the New England Patriots and Tom Brady. They made seven finals in 20 years. They had no success prior and it has largely coincided with that player. We can judge how well they’ll go in the next few years now that Brady has gone. It’s probably going go down like Jordan and the Bulls - ever since he has retired they haven’t gone close. Essentially their success has come because of a freak athlete not because of any problems with the system itself - they were lucky they didn’t use an inflexible system to gain an advantage.

The second and most important factor in all of this is the way in which you have achieved your success: essentially buying multiple star players from opposition teams. In a system that works that would be impossible because generally speaking you would have to outbid or at least match other teams offers in order to purchase the player - in a totally transparent system it would be all on the table. Take the example of LA Lakers. Even with the pull of LA as a city they haven’t been able to buy the best players every year because the system hasn’t allowed them to. As a result, they have had golden periods with Kobe/Shaq, they had years of not competing, then had some success with Lebron. They will go backwards again once Lebron and others retire. It’s called ebb and flow

Let's analyse your claim that we have bought "multiple star players from other teams". Our best 17 next year IMO is below

1 tedesco - he was a legitimate star before we bought him, no argument.
2 tupou - 1 club player
3 manu - 1 club player
4 keighran/momorovski - neither are stars and one debuted for us
5 sualli - 1 club player
6 keary - was a star before us but was on the outer at souths and no one else seemed interested
7 walker - 1 club player
8 JWH - only played 6 games for manly and not a star player when we bought him
9 verrils/Watson - the former is a 1 club player and the latter debuted for us
10 - Collins - 1 club player
11 crighton - was a star when we bought him but is a roosters junior
12 sitilli - 1 club player
13 radley - 1 club player
14 verrils/Watson - see number 9
15 n Butcher - 1 club player
16 e Butcher - 1 club player
17 Baker - 1 club player

 

[Ozzi_78]

I don’t think the current side is the one to compare.

 

[Valheru]

I don’t think the current side is the one to compare.

Ok 2019 GF side?

1 teddy - see above
2 tupou - see above
3 latrell - 1 club player
4 manu - see above
5 B-Moz - journeyman purchase
6 keary - see above
7 cronk - legit star that we bought
8 JWH - see above
9 verrils - see above
10 liu - 1 club player
11 cordner - 1 club player
12 aubo - 1 club player
13 radley - see above
14 crighton - see above
15 Butcher - see above
16 SST - played a single game for the warriors, not a star when we bought him (forgot about him for next year's team actually)
17 friend - 1 club player

I could do 2018 and 2013 if you want? HINT: it is more of the same.

 

[Ozzi_78]

Ok 2019 GF side?

1 teddy - see above
2 tupou - see above
3 latrell - 1 club player
4 manu - see above
5 B-Moz - journeyman purchase
6 keary - see above
7 cronk - legit star that we bought
8 JWH - see above
9 verrils - see above
10 liu - 1 club player
11 cordner - 1 club player
12 aubo - 1 club player
13 radley - see above
14 crighton - see above
15 Butcher - see above
16 SST - played a single game for the warriors, not a star when we bought him (forgot about him for next year's team actually)
17 friend - 1 club player

I could do 2018 and 2013 if you want? HINT: it is more of the same.

I think the point being made by others is when you have superstars in the team already, you always seem to fit a superstar in. You cant deny that in recent history your club has had an easy time of it when it comes to getting the big signing. Even well known celebrity fans joke about the sombrero effect.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Yes but where much of the contention is always viewed that a star player must always be signing for a club at max $. every person who brings it up always assumes that it is just that getting max money whilst playing is the be all and end all and nothing else applies. Sorry but how many examples can be found of players at many clubs, not moving for maximum pay? That is why it is always so laughable.

Anyways, we are getting off the thread's topic.

 

[Colk]

I think the point being made by others is when you have superstars in the team already, you always seem to fit a superstar in. You cant deny that in recent history your club has had an easy time of it when it comes to getting the big signing. Even well known celebrity fans joke about the sombrero effect.

Exactly. No other team seems to be able to do it and not all clubs are the Tigers for example.

Look at Penrith for example. They have lost Burton and Momorovski for next year (although they wouldn’t have been on much) as well as Kikau and Korasau for 2023 yet they haven’t purchased any big name to replace them or most likely won’t - they might be solid but they won’t be superstars

I actually think location is a big factor (Souths have been the other club which seem to be able to purchase high profile players whilst having a good squad). People can train and live in the well to do suburbs of Sydney.

Nevertheless what it does show is that all clubs aren’t the same - some are development clubs, some are in locations which are hard to attract players, some are in prime real estate so a system needs to be able to factor this stuff in.

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

Not really sure what it’s got to do with Stadiums but think there’s a fair bit of jealousy involved in the hate for the Roosters. They are quite selective and only buy quality when they go into the market. I look forward to the Sharks joining them as one of the Sydney powerhouses in the next year or two.

 

[Valheru]

Exactly. No other team seems to be able to do it and not all clubs are the Tigers for example.

Look at Penrith for example. They have lost Burton and Momorovski for next year (although they wouldn’t have been on much) as well as Kikau and Korasau for 2023 yet they haven’t purchased any big name to replace them or most likely won’t - they might be solid but they won’t be superstars

I actually think location is a big factor (Souths have been the other club which seem to be able to purchase high profile players whilst having a good squad). People can train and live in the well to do suburbs of Sydney.

Nevertheless what it does show is that all clubs aren’t the same - some are development clubs, some are in locations which are hard to attract players, some are in prime real estate so a system needs to be able to factor this stuff in.

Can you please let me know what big name players the roosters have announced to replace Boyd Cordner, Brett Morris, Josh Morris, Isaac Liu and Matt Ikuvalu?

 

[reanimate]

Which is why I am for the relocation or culling of Manly. It's just plain dumb how people with a chip on their shoulder over the Roosters' success want to ship them over to Adelaide, but are keen to keep a small club like Manly around to represent a small pocket of people on the peninsula. Roosters have the potential to become a big club on the North Shore and Northern Beaches, while covering the CBD and eastern suburbs. They just need Manly and North Sydney to get out of the way so they can convert the kids from North Shore and Northern Beaches into Roosters fans.

The growth of AFL in the Eastern Suburbs happened right under the Roosters’ noses and you want them to run the game in the entirety of Northern Sydney? No thanks. Northern Sydney is more than big enough for a club of its own, not just exist as some forgotten addition to one of the other club’s territories. There’s a massive logjam of clubs between Bondi and Parramatta, it makes a lot more sense to cull a club from that group, not the lone club based in the North.

 

[Steel Saints]

I come to this thread to see any progress pics from the new SFS, Brookvale oval, or any other news regarding possible upgrades of stadiums.

Instead this thread has gone off topic with the Roosters and salary cap. This thread is about stadiums. If you want to talk about the salary cap, or any other topic, create a new thread.

 

[yadamisha]

Great idea here by the eels. Adding accomodation to increase customer count to their club next door. Such forward thinking, if only other clubs did similar.

They are just copying the Sharks! Its a great idea.

 

[MugaB]

I come to this thread to see any progress pics from the new SFS, Brookvale oval, or any other news regarding possible upgrades of stadiums.

Instead this thread has gone off topic with the Roosters and salary cap. This thread is about stadiums. If you want to talk about the salary cap, or any other topic, create a new thread.

Sorry but you have to sift thru every bit off bullshit, to find a golden nugget... roosters being the selfish club that takes everyone elses marquee players at cut price r as t es and never gives back especially regarding junior development is a great discussion, especially since it pertains to the new SFS

 

[MugaB]

They are just copying the Sharks! Its a great idea.

Actually copying panthers

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

The growth of AFL in the Eastern Suburbs happened right under the Roosters’ noses and you want them to run the game in the entirety of Northern Sydney? No thanks. Northern Sydney is more than big enough for a club of its own, not just exist as some forgotten addition to one of the other club’s territories. There’s a massive logjam of clubs between Bondi and Parramatta, it makes a lot more sense to cull a club from that group, not the lone club based in the North.

Is this another thing Roosters get blamed for? There’s a sizeable group of Swans supporters on the northern beaches. Also a bunch here in the inner west, disillusioned Jets and Saints fans mainly. Blame the ARL/NRL for not recognising the threat

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Sorry but you have to thru every bit off bullshit, to find a golden nugget... roosters being the selfish club that takes everyone elses marquee players at cut price r as t es and never gives back especially regarding junior development is a great discussion, especially since it pertains to the new SFS

@Valheru was right. It’s a big sook

 

[reanimate]

Is this another thing Roosters get blamed for? There’s a sizeable group of Swans supporters on the northern beaches. Also a bunch here in the inner west, disillusioned Jets and Saints fans mainly. Blame the ARL/NRL for not recognising the threat

AFL support on the Northern Beaches is tiny compared to the Eastern Suburbs. It’s true that the Swans draw from all over Sydney, but their support in the Eastern Suburbs is strong.

 

[Ozzi_78]

Is this another thing Roosters get blamed for? There’s a sizeable group of Swans supporters on the northern beaches. Also a bunch here in the inner west, disillusioned Jets and Saints fans mainly. Blame the ARL/NRL for not recognising the threat

That wasnt my quote

 

[Colk]

AFL support on the Northern Beaches is tiny compared to the Eastern Suburbs. It’s true that the Swans draw from all over Sydney, but their support in the Eastern Suburbs is strong.

If you were going to talk about garnering support in Northern Sydney your team would make more sense