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Future NRL Stadiums

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What are you on about? Baird was the one that kyboshed Ayres' and the Trust's plan for the "new" stadium at Moore Park to be built over Kippax Lake and the demolition of the current SFS. That said Baird didn't strip Ayres of his portfolio either.

Further Ayres stripped of his portfolio. Really? Would be news to him, and to the current Premier for that matter considering Stuart Ayres is still the Minister for Sport (see here if you disbelieve me) and he has responsibility for both the SCG/SFS Trust and the Olympic Park site (see here if you disbelieve me).

1. You have read an old post and ignored the further discussion. You are correct, and I conceded that point in response to hh08's post. The $1.6 billion in stadia and event infrastructure was stripped from Ayers' portfolio.

2. Yep, Kippax lake was another area in which stakeholder consultation was hugely insufficient and community opposition was loud, but it was not the cause of the ultimate downfall of the plan. Reshuffling land allocations between park trusts is pretty easy for state government when major infrastructure is involved.

3. It would be hugely naive to believe that Baird was unaware of the deficiencies of the planning processes which generated the Kippax Lake plan. I would assert that his sudddn change in favour of ANZ was a face saver for the party.
 

siv

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Interesting looking back at old stadium proposals

There was a big push in the late 60s for a 100,000 stadium at St Peters

We had the OASIS plan at Liverpool in 2000

Crowes and Pagiona proposal at Everliegh rail yards

Plus older grounds that were setup and disappeared like the Metters Ground
 
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I've heard vaguely about this.

Do you know where there's any info on this?

Bill Buckley, President of the NSW Rugby League was behind it. In 1964 he proposed a ground at St Peters that would hold 120,000 people, including 90,000 undercover. A model was prepared too! If we can spot this model it would be some achievement. Council approval was granted for the 8 million pound project. Then in 1965 the Council indicated it would only release 18 acres, not the 22 required (eventually, the whole site was to be 88 acres).

This is covered briefly in True Blue:The Story of the NSW Rugby League by Ian Heads.

It does not say why it did not go ahead, but my late Father reckoned the SCG Trust was behind it falling over as, in 1965, Buckley was appointed to the SCG Trust and the proposal died a quiet death.
 
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Bill Bukcley, President of the NSW Rugby League was behind it. In 1964 he proposed a ground at St Peters that would hold 120,000 people, including 90,000 undercover. A model was prepared too! If we can spot this model it would be some achievement. Council approval was granted for the 8 million pound project. Then in 1965 the Council indicated it would only release 18 acres, not the 22 required (eventually, the whole site was to be 88 acres).

This is covered briefly in True Blue:The Story of the NSW Rugby League by Ian Heads.

It does not say why it did not go ahead, but my late Father reckonmed the SCG Trust was behind it falling over as in 1965, Buckley was appointed to the SCG Trust and the proposal died a quiet death.

Interesting.

1965 was the year of the propostition of a 1972 Olympic bid.
 

Panfas

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...at-stadium-at-moore-park-20170206-gu6gqy.html

FEBRUARY 7 2017 - 6:00AM
SCG Trust begin push for new 40,000-seat stadium at Moore Park
Michael Chammas

The SCG Trust has reignited its bid for a new stadium at Moore Park with a modified 40,000-seat proposal now on the table.

The trust's hopes of a new stadium seemed dead in the water last year after the state government ruled in favour of providing the majority of its $1.6 billion stadia investment into ANZ Stadium, ending a push for a 60,000-seat venue at Moore Park.

However, Fairfax Media understands plans for a knock-down and rebuild on the existing Allianz Stadium site has gathered momentum during the past few months, with all key stakeholders set to back the proposal put forward by the SCG Trust.

The plans by the Trust won't interfere with the government's pledge to turn ANZ Stadium into a permanent rectangular facility from 2019, but there is a hope Allianz Stadium will receive more than just a coat of paint once its turn comes around.

"The NRL supports the government's strategy to build a new stadium at Parramatta and upgrade ANZ Stadium as a first step," an NRL spokesperson said.

"If there are sufficient funds to rebuild Allianz Stadium then we would naturally support that too."

The Roosters, Waratahs and Sydney FC all turned against sports minister Stuart Ayres last year after claiming they were "cheated" during negotiations in which they were given guarantees a new stadium would be built on a different site to their current home.

Former premier Mike Baird then publicly criticised Ayres' plans to build a new stadium over Kippax Lake, leaving the clubs with the possibility of being displaced for four years if they agreed to a knock-down and rebuild of Allianz Stadium.

Under the revised plans, the Trust is hoping the clubs of the three football codes unite in support of a smaller boutique venue that will take half the time to build.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian, who was spotted in the SCG Trust suite during the Sydney Test match last month prior to her promotion, has made it clear the funding priority would remain with Parramatta and ANZ Stadium.

SCG Trust chairman Tony Shepherd and ANZ Stadium chair Christine McLoughlin have been in regular discussion about the future of Sydney stadia after the Olympic stadium was returned to public ownership on July 1 last year.

The new Parramatta stadium will cost $360 million, while ANZ Stadium is likely to cost up to $800 million to be transformed into the state's premier rectangular facility.

That will leave Allianz Stadium with about $400-$500 million to spend and, rather than upgrade the dated venue, the SCG Trust is making plans to build a new stadium on the existing site.

If plans come to fruition, the Roosters will likely move their matches to the Sydney Cricket Ground while also continuing to build its imprint on the Central Coast, where they already take matches.

The Waratahs are believed to be exploring the possibility of venturing out west, likely to play some of its matches out of the new 30,000-seat Parramatta stadium due to open in 2019.

The home of Sydney FC is up in the air and are most likely to resist being moved out of their existing home.

A potential new A-League club on the Shire would make Shark Park and Kogarah less appealing to the competition leaders.

While a move to the new Stadium in Parramatta would also be met with plenty of resistance given it will be the home of their arch rivals, Western Sydney Wanderers, who have struggled to attract fans at Spotless Stadium after leaving Pirtek Stadium.

Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City share AAMI Park in Melbourne, but the two teams aren't bound by geographical borders like the Wanderers and Sydney FC.

There is a suggestion a compensation pay-out to clubs will help them cope with the economic disadvantages of being dislocated.
 
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I love how the article says all stakeholders are believed to be behind it, but neither the Roosters, Waratahs nor Sydney FC have indicated support for it. As such how can the article claim all stakeholders are behind it?

Considering the SCG Trust are turning their current Gold Members Car Park into the NSWRU's High Performance Centre, I wonder if these proposals keep coming up as the trust need to find land for a new Gold Members Car Park.
 

Perth Red

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A modern 40k to replace SFs sounds positive if it isn't impacting on the two proposals already accepted. If it is the biggest priority for stadium development in Sydney is debateable though it would be the second most used stadium in the city so has merit.
 

Timbo

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That would be a good outcome and would leave the city with three cracking venues.

30,000 would be fine for almost everything, but I know the trust and ARU like having Wallabies tests there. Combined with all-Sydney semis They'd want to keep the capacity at 40,000.
 

Marlins

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Would prefer a Suncorp type venue with 50k Capacity. I know the Goosters struggle with crowds but with a modern state of the art venue at Moore Park hopefully they can start gettting better crowds like the mighty Broncs
 

TheRam

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Would prefer a Suncorp type venue with 50k Capacity. I know the Goosters struggle with crowds but with a modern state of the art venue at Moore Park hopefully they can start gettting better crowds like the mighty Broncs


Hahahahahahahahahaha....................
 

Timbo

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There is no point of having two 50k+ venues. Massive money sink.

ANZ at 75k and two 30k's would be ideal. But the needs of all tenants need to be considered, so the SFS has to be somewhere between 40 and 45.
 
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I don't think the SFS needs a rebuild at all. The main problem with it is the lack of cover when it rains. Yes it may not rain much, but when it does, it buckets down and you are lucky if 20% of seats are under cover.

As I said a few posts back, I think this keeps being pushed by the SCG Trust as they are scratching to find land to build a new Gold members car park. The current one is being closed as that is where the NSWRU's High Performance Centre is to be built. They can't get any other land at Moore Park as they don't control it, and there is no political support for them to acquire that land, hence they come up with the proposal the Sydney Morning Herald have reported on.

I mean none of Sydney FC, the Waratahs nor the Sydney Roosters have spoken out saying a new stadium is needed to replace the SFS. In fact their last public utterances were quite the reverse. Also the fact none of them are mentioned in the Herald's article as being for it says it has to be an internal Trust reason for coming up with this proposal now that there has been a change in Premier.
 

forby

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Again the plans are Sydneycentric and totally neglect anybody who lives west of Parramatta. There is already a decent SFS next door to the SCG, Spotless next door to ANZ and a stone's throw away from Parramatta!
What about the growth areas in the west, north west and south west? More than a third of Sydney's population live west of Parramatta and no decent stadium. If there is $4-5 million left after ANZ and Parramatta split it 50-50 and fix up the SFS and rebuild Penrith!
 

Perth Red

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State Govt doesn't own Penrith stadium for starters. Secondly its a one tenant stadium, not commercially/public usage viable to invest big amounts of tax payer money in. Finally crowds rarely break 16k most games and show no sign of doing so despite the population increase in the region.
 

forby

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Build it and they will come.
The population is growing and is still loyal to where they came from. They will convert over time. But if you dont build while the money is available it will be an opportunity lost yet again.
WSW should play some games there as a fair proportion of their fans come from the district. Penrith City Council owns the stadium.
Why does the SFS need a rebuild when the Roosters, Waratahs and Sydney FC all average <16k as well. When was the last time the Roosters had more then 15k? Sydney FC on gets >15k when they play WSW, and the Waratahs dont attract huge crowds either. If the Waratahs eventually get huge crowds send them to ANZ.
 
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Build it and they will come.
The population is growing and is still loyal to where they came from. They will convert over time. But if you dont build while the money is available it will be an opportunity lost yet again.
WSW should play some games there as a fair proportion of their fans come from the district. Penrith City Council owns the stadium.
Why does the SFS need a rebuild when the Roosters, Waratahs and Sydney FC all average <16k as well. When was the last time the Roosters had more then 15k? Sydney FC on gets >15k when they play WSW, and the Waratahs dont attract huge crowds either. If the Waratahs eventually get huge crowds send them to ANZ.

Few if anyone is arguing that the SFS should be rebuilt. Only thing is if you think the SCG is a great place to watch rugby league at, proves you have never watched a game there. It is crap, you are farther away than at ANZ in its current formation and has the worst sight lines. You sit at a weird angle to the field.

The NSW Government have been clear they are only going to fund their own stadiums, and Penrith Stadium isn't owned by them whereas the SFS, ANZ and Parramatta Stadium are.

Also for your info, last time the Roosters got a 15k+ crowd? Round 1, 2016 v Souths.
 

Perth Red

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Also SFS could and should be a city big event stadium catering to those games and events likely to draw a 30-40k crowd. Sadly the NRL failed miserably in getting the clubs to understand a new way of scheduling games that drew big crowds and took advantage of the cities derby opportunities.

Crowds
sub 20k club grounds
20-30k WS stadium
30-40k SFS
40k plus ANZ

Games of all codes should be scheduled at these three stadiums accordingly based on reasonably anticipated attendance. As a tax payer I would want to know that this massive amount of money being spent on sports venues was actually creating facilities that would be well utilised otherwise what's the point?
 
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