Game of Thrones II

[Wato]

What a great episode Ramsay's death was perfect especially since Sansa is my favourite character finally seeing her turn in a proper badass this season has been great, I loved her line when they comforted Bolton and his men before the battle. This battle did prove something I had suspected that Jon unlike Robb is not an especially skilled commander, yes he defended the wall but he had the high ground and was fighting the wildlings. This is why I don't get the hate Sansa is copping online for not telling Jon about the Vale had Jon had those men to begin with he would have lead them to their deaths like he did his own men. What Sansa did was reminiscent of what Robb did at the battle of the whispering wood were he captures Jamie, he sent off a portion of his men to fight Tywin and die, his men lost the battle against Tywin but he won against Jaime similar to what Sansa did here she sacrificed some of the wildlings and the 400 odd northers she had in order the ambush Ramsay.

 

[saint.nick]

Plus he's got to f**k Brienne doggy style yet.



I agree with this notion. Predictable but not really a bad thing.



Lol are you for real? I don't know why you get defensive over people disliking some aspects of the show. The show isn't perfect. It's awesome but it has some flaws (e.g episode 8). This thread isn't like the ASOIAF forums where a bunch of sour twats just 3/10 every episode because it's different from the books.

I actually agree with people about episode 8. It's just the ultra nitpicky shit that is irritating and frivolous.

And yeah, don't get me started on twats like Preston Jacobs.

 

[Aragorn]

Yeah, but clearly Sansa was also willing to sacrifice Jon. She also gave up on Rickon.That is f**kimg ice cold.

The Knights of the Vale riding in LoTR style. Sweet justice.

 

[Wato]

Yeah, but clearly Sansa was also willing to sacrifice Jon. She also gave up on Rickon.

That is f**kimg ice cold.

Yea but she has seen how this goes before Jon should have realised rickon was not making out alive. She did try to council Jon into putting off the attack but he was the one wanting to rush into attack wintefell and it was Jon's ill temperament that put himself and his men in more danger by falling into Ramsay's trap.

 

[Aragorn]

Yea but she has seen how this goes before Jon should have realised rickon was not making out alive. She did try to council Jon into putting off the attack but he was the one wanting to rush into attack wintefell and it was Jon's ill temperament that put himself and his men in more danger by falling into Ramsay's trap.

True. Still f**king ice cold though.

When they brought in Rickons body at the end there, you could see how upset Jon was. Sansa on the other hand - expressionless. She hadn't seen her little brother for god knows how long but she was more interested in finding out where Ramsay was? scary women.

Little finger is in trouble me thinks...

 

[Apey]

Anyway definitely in the top few episodes of the series but not sure if it'd be my number one. Hardhome and The Door are up there. Sometimes when older episodes have that one absolutely awesome scene you tend to gloss over or forget what else happens in it though and just remember it for that. I'm like that with The Door and it was only a few weeks ago.

Next episode has the potential to be very good too. I love me some epic battles but I'm more of a sucker for those big dramatic epic moments (red wedding, Hodor, Tywin's death etc etc), and this next episode has the potential to be a collection of them. Tower of Joy? Wall coming down? Cersei losing her shit? Arya (please?) f**king shit up back in Westeros? Walder Frey's turn (preferably related to the former)? Cleganebowl (ok we're stretching here)? The Hound doing... anything? HYPE.

 

[Wato]

True. Still f**king ice cold though.

When they brought in Rickons body at the end there, you could see how upset Jon was. Sansa on the other hand - expressionless. She hadn't seen her little brother for god knows how long but she was more interested in finding out where Ramsay was? scary women.

Little finger is in trouble me thinks...

I am looking forward to that show down just to see the power dynamic from the trailer it appears little finger may attempt to marry her which would deliver him the north while he already has the vale and the riverlands. Baelish also now has the only sizeable army in the north making him a very hard man to refuse. I am more interest to see how Baelish to a potential R +L=J reveal, Baelish might not kpjust control 3 of the seven kingdoms but be able to unite them behind Jon and his claim.

 

[Misanthrope]

A few snekay predictions for next week:

- Cersei makes King's Landing burn (or at least some Sparrows)
- We find out Jon's parentage
- LSH crashes a Lannister/Frey party. At the very least, some Brothers and their Hound do.
- Sansa and Baelish betray Jon in some way\

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On an unrelated note, what odds that Jon/Sansa makes Tormund and/or Davos Lords in the North?

With no House Umber, House Karstark, House Manderlay, or House Bolton left - you've got a few keeps and some lands needing occupation.

 

[Timbo]

It'll be interesting is Brann makes it back to Winterfell next week.

Littlefinger assumes (I believe) at this point that he will be able to control the north through Sansa, as she is Lord of the North at this point. However Brann being alive upsets that whole applecart.

 

[BennyV]

What an episode! Completely predictable but there was no other way it could have panned out. The death/defeat of Jon Snow would have made the whole bringing-him-back-to-life thing pointless, if the KotV didn't show up it would have killed the Sansa/LIttlefinger story line. And the whole thing was done to perfection - from Jon's emotional burst (OMGTHATf**kINGSHOTOFTHEHORSESCHARGINGATHIM) to Ramsay's death and pretty much everything Sansa did ("You will die tomorrow. Sleep well").

The 2 biggest things to take from the Meereen storyline were:
1) Tyrion telling Dany (and reminding the audience) of the wildfire all over the city, especially under the Sept of Baelor. Some sparrows gun' get roasted next week!
2) Dany and Yarra's 'girl power'/bedroom eyes.

Everything just slotted into place. Predictability is fine - we all knew Jon Snow was still alive, we all knew the Hound was coming back, we all knew basically everything from season 1-5 and it was still amazing to watch!

The unpredictability will come next week. Can't wait!

 

[Timbo]

People saying this makes Jon a bad commander...

You honestly think Robb or Ned wouldn't have tried to save Rickon? Really?

Also the thing that Jon has is that he inspires loyalty in others because they know he fights for them, and would do anything for his men - if he simply let Ramsay kill his little brother surely that would shake their faith in their ability to protect them.

 

[Aragorn]

It'll be interesting is Brann makes it back to Winterfell next week.

Littlefinger assumes (I believe) at this point that he will be able to control the north through Sansa, as she is Lord of the North at this point. However Brann being alive upsets that whole applecart.

Liittle Finger will get his next week. Sansa doesn't go from ice cold one week to buttery soft the next. There's no way she's marrying again after all the crap she's been through. And even though the Knights came through for her thanks to LF, she saved LF's life by standing by him during his trial when he killed her aunty. So I think they're even and Sansa will give LF the opportunity to leave quietly or risk being exposed for killing Robins mother. Although the finger will be pointed at her just as much for lying during the trial so maybe that story doesn't quite work.

Brann needs an update.

So does Dorne.

So does Euron.

Maybe Dany stops in on both these places before arriving to Westerous and closes these chapters out.

Frey will get it at the red after party.

They need to update the hound. They brought him back for a reason. I hope it's to kill walkers next season and not yo die killing his brother.

Arya, Brann, need to unite with their siblings. It will be a good sight to see them all at Winterfell again....

 

[Aragorn]

Liittle Finger will get his next week. Sansa doesn't go from ice cold one week to buttery soft the next. There's no way she's marrying again after all the crap she's been through. And even though the Knights came through for her thanks to LF, she saved LF's life by standing by him during his trial when he killed her aunty. So I think they're even and Sansa will give LF the opportunity to leave quietly or risk being exposed for killing Robins mother. Although the finger will be pointed at her just as much for lying during the trial so maybe that story doesn't quite work.

The Brann story needs a recap.

So does Dorne.

So does Euron.

Maybe Dany stops in on both these places before arriving to Westerous and closes these chapters out.

Frey will get it at the red after party.

They need to update on the hound.

Arya, Brann, need to finally unite with their siblings. It will be a good sight to see them at Winterfell again....

 

[butchmcdick]

Liittle Finger will get his next week. Sansa doesn't go from ice cold one week to buttery soft the next. There's no way she's marrying again after all the crap she's been through. And even though the Knights came through for her thanks to LF, she saved LF's life by standing by him during his trial when he killed her aunty. So I think they're even and Sansa will give LF the opportunity to leave quietly or risk being exposed for killing Robins mother. Although the finger will be pointed at her just as much for lying during the trial so maybe that story doesn't quite work.

Brann needs an update.

So does Dorne.

So does Euron.

Maybe Dany stops in on both these places before arriving to Westerous and closes these chapters out.

Frey will get it at the red after party.

They need to update the hound.

Arya, Brann, need to unite with their siblings. It will be a good sight to see them all at Winterfell again....

There is a tenuous connection with Dany and Sansa

Pod was Tyrion's squire and saved his life

You think Arya will meet up with Sam and or Dany ?

Also I had no idea Theon's sister had such a cracking arse

 

[nick87]

People saying this makes Jon a bad commander...

You honestly think Robb or Ned wouldn't have tried to save Rickon? Really?

Robb maybe, they seemed to set him up as a very good field commander, Ned definitely not. But i think the point is Jon is a product of his upbringing. He's a horrible commander, too hot headed, too emotional... just like his "Dad" and probably his "brothers" :lol:

The Starks are honourable, loyal but ultimately dumb .
Ned could have easily offered his resignation of his hand duties to Joffery (which would have been accepted) and headed back to the North with the info about their parentage and thought about what his next move should be. Instead he just stumbled into some kind of coup attempt got himself killed.

 

[Danish]

People saying this makes Jon a bad commander...

You honestly think Robb or Ned wouldn't have tried to save Rickon? Really?

Also the thing that Jon has is that he inspires loyalty in others because they know he fights for them, and would do anything for his men - if he simply let Ramsay kill his little brother surely that would shake their faith in their ability to protect them.

The 2 guys that got themselves killed doing stupid shit I'd say definitely would have done the same thing.

Personally I don't see how Jon's actions were him showing he'd do anything to protect his men and that he'd fight for them. If anything it showed he'd sacrifice the lot of them to make a clearly doomed attempt save his own blood (which is essentially what his reckless charge was going to do till Sansa saved the day)

 

[Timbo]

Well, you could equally say that makes Ser Davos the reckless one.

Jon charged out of the line to save his brother. That meant Davos was the ranking officer with the army of the north - he could easily have ordered them to stick to the plan.

 

[Aragorn]

Jon needs a good old fashion telling off by Darvos about how his stupidity and charging the line cost the lives of many people.

Then Jon needs to give that dumbass look he was giving during the battle with Yrgritte's words ringing in his ear " you know nothing Jon Snow..".... " you know nothing Jon Snow.."

 

[Aragorn]

Well, you could equally say that makes Ser Davos the reckless one.

Jon charged out of the line to save his brother. That meant Davos was the ranking officer with the army of the north - he could easily have ordered them to stick to the plan.

Good point.

 

[Timbo]

Also, my new favourite character (and possibly favourite moment in the shows run) is Lyanna Mormont.

The amount of shade she was throwing Ramsay during the initial encounter between lords of the north was ridiculous.