Game of Thrones II

[Game_Breaker]

Holy crap, that was an incredible episode. Best battle of the series so far. It was better than Hardhome, the production for this episode was like Saving Private Ryan level

and lets not forget the Dragons kicking ass

Was anyone else scared that Ramsay would sneakily pull out a dagger while Jon was having at him on the ground?

That 30 odd seconds of Jon punching him took 10 hours to shoot, no joke the director confirmed they spent a whole day on that, re-shooting from different angles etc. Kit actually managed to accidentally punch him in the jaw

My only gripe with that episode, as others have noted, is Jon's sheer stupidity. I don't mind him trying to get to Rickon but after he was dead what was the point of charging? There were other ways to get to the point where the Knights of the Vale saved the day without Jon looking like an imbecile. This does to Jon what the whole "I'll wave money around and just look out to sea" thing did to Arya.

If Jon didn't charge, then we wouldn't have got the awesome shot of him facing the charging cavalry.

Apparently, that was real and not CGI. They used 40 horses to charge at Jon and asked him to stand there.

Haha so true

Just bloody zig zag a bit you dumb little muppet

:lol:

My reaction too, just zig zag you idiot. But it wouldn't have made a difference because Ramsey was missing on purpose for his first few shots, he wanted to draw Jon within range of his archers.

One of the more visceral battle scenes I've seen. The impacts and the mud and that f**king intense scene where you watched via uncomfortable shaky-cam as Jon was crushed between a muddy, bloody pile of bodies was just grim.

Yes, that was epic. They made you feel like you were there, it was done perfectly.

So much of that was based on actual historic battles as well. The Bolton army surrounding the Stark army is based on the Battle of Cannae where the Romans did the same thing.

 

[DiegoNT]

Just re watched it. Amazing!
There's a tracking shot of john, goes for a minute or 2 , where it's just him in the middle of the battle, horses charging all around him, complete chaos, that was better then any battle scene in any movie.

 

[nick87]

I agree with other posters, it was hopelessly predictable, but i didnt care
At the end i kind of thought "well that turned out exactly how i expected" and then i remember sitting there invested in the battle and thinking "f**k, it might be all over for Jon, maybe they arent coming, or the Vale wont get there in time to save him"
it still had me guess even if it delivered what i thought it would

I think they did a good job of showing Jon as a brave and honourable, but ultimately hopeless commander. Which is what he is :lol:

I was also screaming for Rickon to Zig-Zag but i think other posters have it right, Sansa told us too, he was always going to die, he had to for Ramsey to maintain his claim. For all the "JUST ZIG ZAG" stuff, isnt the same true for Ramsey? If he wanted him dead, he could have any point in time called for a round of arrows to be sent Rickon's way, he'd be wiped out regardless of the zig zag

 

[saint.nick]

1. the Vale has stayed out of the war of five kings and there was no reason to think theyd get involved because of Stark honour.

2. They went to great lengths to show Ramsey loosening arrow after arrow into a sea of troops, killing indiscriminately, so it's conceivable to me that he knew he had the men, could sacrifice them and win the battle easily... which is exactly what happened until the Vale showed up... and again, what expectation could he have that the KNights of the Vale would ride for the North? They arent banner man for the North, and didnt ride for Rob, why would Ramsey or Jon expect them to ride for Sansa/Jon

The real question is why didnt Sansa tell Jon and Davos she could get them the knights of the Vale and them set the battle up? And the answer is probably story telling. It's boring if they just side with the Starks, even up and win an even battle.

Perhaps it was tactics? Lull the Boltons into a false sense of security, and then catch them amidst chaos? I know she had to sacrifice a lot of men for that, but that's war. Commanders for thousands of years have sacrificed their 'pawns' for a greater goal. If she told them then they would have insisted that they wait for their back-up and then fight. It'd make the battle more even but it wouldn't lure the Boltons into a trap.

 

[saint.nick]

Holy crap, that was an incredible episode. Best battle of the series so far. It was better than Hardhome, the production for this episode was like Saving Private Ryan level

and lets not forget the Dragons kicking ass

Which people aren't able to talk about a lot in this league forum

That 30 odd seconds of Jon punching him took 10 hours to shoot, no joke the director confirmed they spent a whole day on that, re-shooting from different angles etc. Kit actually managed to accidentally punch him in the jaw

Yeah saw that too. 10 hours to shoot him punching him in the face. I thought the showrunners are lazy...

 

[duck]

Shaun Johnson would have made it from Boltons to Starks.

Which people aren't able to talk about a lot in this league forum

ouch

 

[Danish]

I agree with other posters, it was hopelessly predictable, but i didnt care
At the end i kind of thought "well that turned out exactly how i expected" and then i remember sitting there invested in the battle and thinking "f**k, it might be all over for Jon, maybe they arent coming, or the Vale wont get there in time to save him"
it still had me guess even if it delivered what i thought it would

I think they did a good job of showing Jon as a brave and honourable, but ultimately hopeless commander. Which is what he is :lol:

I was also screaming for Rickon to Zig-Zag but i think other posters have it right, Sansa told us too, he was always going to die, he had to for Ramsey to maintain his claim. For all the "JUST ZIG ZAG" stuff, isnt the same true for Ramsey? If he wanted him dead, he could have any point in time called for a round of arrows to be sent Rickon's way, he'd be wiped out regardless of the zig zag

I can very easily forgive the instant win because of the Vale Knights, and even Jon just straight up losing his shit and falling for every dirty tactic Ramsey threw at him.

If I could change just one thing in the Ep, it would be this.

When Jon and the wildlings sack winter fell, Ramsey drops his bow, draws his sword, and challenges Jon to one on one combat again.Jon accepts, drops his shield,orders his men to stand down, and takes out Long Claw. With that merkin smile we all love, Ramsey sudden drops his sword and reveals a hidden crossbow to shoot Jon with, then we cut to Jon's face as we hear a bolt release..... A couple seconds of shocked reaction from Jon, then we cut back to Ramsey, pan down, and reveal a bolt through his chest. The shot zooms out, and Sansa is seen holding a crossbow across the courtyard. She shoot Jon a "I f**king told you NOT to do what he wants you to do" look, Jon drops to his knees in exhaustion and realisation that war is not always won by fighting with honour (drawing similarities back to Ned's actual victory shown over Ser Arthur Dayne earlier this season), then cold hard Sansa has mortally wounded but still living Ramsey dragged off to the kennels to be fed to the dogs.


IMO, that would have been a more fitting end and tied into the theme of this season more aptly

 

[Aragorn]

If I could change just one thing in the Ep, it would be this.

When Jon and the wildlings sack winter fell, Ramsey drops his bow, draws his sword, and challenges Jon to one on one combat again.Jon accepts, drops his shield,orders his men to stand down, and takes out Long Claw. With that merkin smile we all love, Ramsey sudden drops his sword and reveals a hidden crossbow to shoot Jon with, then we cut to Jon's face as we hear a bolt release..... A couple seconds of shocked reaction from Jon, then we cut back to Ramsey, pan down, and reveal a bolt through his chest. The shot zooms out, and Sansa is seen holding a crossbow across the courtyard. She shoot Jon a "I f**king told you NOT to do what he wants you to do" look, Jon drops to his knees in exhaustion and realisation that war is not always won by fighting with honour (drawing similarities back to Ned's actual victory shown over Ser Arthur Dayne earlier this season), then cold hard Sansa has mortally wounded but still living Ramsey dragged off to the kennels to be fed to the dogs.


IMO, that would have been a more fitting end and tied into the theme of this season more aptly

Nah, in your scenario you dont get the satisfaction of watching Jon punching the living shit out of Ramsay. Seeing his face beaten to a pulp.. you couldnt ask for better than that...

I would have liked a bit more with the hounds though... like ripping off his arm with Ramsay screaming... that would have been satisfying...

 

[nick87]

I can very easily forgive the instant win because of the Vale Knights, and even Jon just straight up losing his shit and falling for every dirty tactic Ramsey threw at him.

If I could change just one thing in the Ep, it would be this.

When Jon and the wildlings sack winter fell, Ramsey drops his bow, draws his sword, and challenges Jon to one on one combat again.Jon accepts, drops his shield,orders his men to stand down, and takes out Long Claw. With that merkin smile we all love, Ramsey sudden drops his sword and reveals a hidden crossbow to shoot Jon with, then we cut to Jon's face as we hear a bolt release..... A couple seconds of shocked reaction from Jon, then we cut back to Ramsey, pan down, and reveal a bolt through his chest. The shot zooms out, and Sansa is seen holding a crossbow across the courtyard. She shoot Jon a "I f**king told you NOT to do what he wants you to do" look, Jon drops to his knees in exhaustion and realisation that war is not always won by fighting with honour (drawing similarities back to Ned's actual victory shown over Ser Arthur Dayne earlier this season), then cold hard Sansa has mortally wounded but still living Ramsey dragged off to the kennels to be fed to the dogs.


IMO, that would have been a more fitting end and tied into the theme of this season more aptly

Yeah i would have got around that too, that would have been very satisfying, but i liked the way Sansa sicked his dogs on to him too
ultimately i just wanted Sansa to win the day, on the battlefield and against Ramsey, and she did.

I think the next Ep is going to be a banger too, i could see Kings Landing blowing up big time (maybe literally), the Freys might be getting theirs, Dany and the Dragons on their way to Westeros and the White Walkers descending on the wall.

It's all sort of coming to a head here. I think this ep is going to set up the last dozen or so eps of just shit going crazy every ep.

 

[Parra]

Turns out Sansa is just as sadistic and evil as Ramsay.

 

[Aragorn]

Turns out Sansa is just as sadistic and evil as Ramsay.

Ramsay and Joeffry.

May they rest in peace. :lol:

 

[Storm13]

I can very easily forgive the instant win because of the Vale Knights, and even Jon just straight up losing his shit and falling for every dirty tactic Ramsey threw at him.

If I could change just one thing in the Ep, it would be this.

When Jon and the wildlings sack winter fell, Ramsey drops his bow, draws his sword, and challenges Jon to one on one combat again.Jon accepts, drops his shield,orders his men to stand down, and takes out Long Claw. With that merkin smile we all love, Ramsey sudden drops his sword and reveals a hidden crossbow to shoot Jon with, then we cut to Jon's face as we hear a bolt release..... A couple seconds of shocked reaction from Jon, then we cut back to Ramsey, pan down, and reveal a bolt through his chest. The shot zooms out, and Sansa is seen holding a crossbow across the courtyard. She shoot Jon a "I f**king told you NOT to do what he wants you to do" look, Jon drops to his knees in exhaustion and realisation that war is not always won by fighting with honour (drawing similarities back to Ned's actual victory shown over Ser Arthur Dayne earlier this season), then cold hard Sansa has mortally wounded but still living Ramsey dragged off to the kennels to be fed to the dogs.


IMO, that would have been a more fitting end and tied into the theme of this season more aptly

Then have Sansa say 'Its Just Been Revoked'.

 

[McNulty]

Where was Ghost? Was expecting ghost to be the one to maul Ramsay

 

[Avenger]

Best episode ever.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Jon v Ramsay extended lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8LivWPrpA0

 

[Aragorn]

Episode 10 preview is up.

Walder Frey is in it. f**ker is going to get his next week.

 

[Game_Breaker]

Tyrion telling Dany about the Mad King's secret plan to 'burn them all' looks like some foreshadowing for next week before Cersei's trial

 

[Aragorn]

I watched the episode again. My god it's just fantastic. It really is. Start to finish. Just superb.

I honestly don't think episode 10 can top this.

 

[gUt]

Great ep.

Re: the teleporting around it's fair to suppose the sequence we watch stuff in isn't necessarily when stuff happened in the story.

I can forgive Jon charging ahead solely because he seemed to want to die, or not care so much anyway.

 

[Apey]

Tormund is an immense amount of fun

Plus he's got to f**k Brienne doggy style yet.

It was predictable, but it had to be. What else could have possibly happened in that episode?

I agree with this notion. Predictable but not really a bad thing.

People need to watch the show and not scrutinise it.

Lol are you for real? I don't know why you get defensive over people disliking some aspects of the show. The show isn't perfect. It's awesome but it has some flaws (e.g episode 8). This thread isn't like the ASOIAF forums where a bunch of sour twats just 3/10 every episode because it's different from the books.