Game of Thrones II

[Valheru]

I think that the reason he charges was because forwards was the only way he could escape the volley of arrows. Also people saying rickon should of zig-zagged. That would of only have gotten him so far, he wouldn't of survived the volley of arrows, whether he got to jon or not. As for why did jon rush out to rickon, how could he not. He has forges his reputation on being a leader who fights for the lives of his men and leads from the front, if he had let his brother die without trying right before a huge battle it would of affected his leadership and the morale of his men, especially the wildlings

I don’t buy the bolded part. I am no expert on such things but given he was on horseback, I would back myself to get away from the archers. It is certainly better odds than charging a full army.

As I said, I have no issue with him trying to save Rickon however he looks completely surprised that Ramsay would do such a thing. To be honest, if I were Jon, I would be pleasantly surprised that Ramsay didn’t lob Rickon’s flayed head out of some projectile and gave him some chance (as small as it may have been) at survival.

As for the whole question of why Sansa didn’t tell Jon she had or could get the Knights of the Vale. Perhaps she wasn’t sure? The letter she wrote was a plea, there was no indication that she though assistance was likely. Alternatively, perhaps she did know and withheld them on purpose to win the war in which case she shows that she has learnt her lessons well from the cruel world she lives in and is the most intelligent of all her siblings.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Also, my new favourite character (and possibly favourite moment in the shows run) is Lyanna Mormont.

I was really hoping that she would give Ramsay a scolding at the parlay lol

 

[Aragorn]

I was really hoping that she would give Ramsay a scolding at the parlay lol

The death stare was crazy but yeah, would have been off the charts if she said a few words to Ramsay.

Hope we get to see more of her going forward.

 

[Timbo]

Would have been amazing if she'd dropped the 'you'll die tomorrow line' but obviously that had to be Sansa.

 

[GC_Gladiator]

I'm more interested about whether Sansa promised anything to little finger in the letter.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Yea but she has seen how this goes before Jon should have realised rickon was not making out alive. She did try to council Jon into putting off the attack but he was the one wanting to rush into attack wintefell and it was Jon's ill temperament that put himself and his men in more danger by falling into Ramsay's trap.

She did try and tell Jon to hold off the attack but she also with held the fact that she had organised for the Knights of the Vale to come help. That little bit of info may have gotten Jon to think twice if he knew his forces were going to be significantly reinforced if he was to wait

Unless she wanted to lure Ramsay into a false confidence and over play his hand of course. If this was the case, she put everyone at risk.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

I'm more interested about whether Sansa promised anything to little finger in the letter.

There was a freeze frame of the letter but IIRC it only said "you'll be rewarded", so nothing specific.

 

[Wato]

She did try and tell Jon to hold off the attack but she also with held the fact that she had organised for the Knights of the Vale to come help. That little bit of info may have gotten Jon to think twice if he knew his forces were going to be significantly reinforced if he was to wait

Unless she wanted to lure Ramsay into a false confidence and over play his hand of course. If this was the case, she put everyone at risk.

The Knights of the vale would not have changed Jon's temperament which nearly got him and his men all killed. Who did she out at risk a bunch of wildlings? They are but swore to her or her house their nit even swore to Jon they are also hated by the rest if the North and made the Umbers turn on the Starks and reckons death. Sansa sacfricing the wildlings is a rather smart political move she allays some fears of other northern houses while limiting casualties to her own men. She can now rally the other northern houses such as reed, manderly, glover etc.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

I think you're giving Sansa too much credit. She didn't sacrifice the Wildlings, she actually tried to do the opposite and implored Jon to hold off.

 

[Wato]

I think you're giving Sansa too much credit. She didn't sacrifice the Wildlings, she actually tried to do the opposite and implored Jon to hold off.

Fair enough some of the timing worked out making her moves more successful than Sansa intended. She did council Jon against attacking numerous times and every time he dismissed her really we won't know her true plans until we find out how long the Knights of the vale had been in the north.

 

[God-King Dean]

Be interesting to see if Sansa marries Littlefinger, which he so obviously wants.

He at least deserves a wristy.

 

[abpanther]

I don't think she's gonna go down that path again, she's been pretty scarred with her recent partners

 

[redvscotty]

Maybe thats where LSH comes in? He did always want a wristy from her anyway!

 

[Caped Crusader]

The Knights of the vale would not have changed Jon's temperament which nearly got him and his men all killed. Who did she out at risk a bunch of wildlings? They are but swore to her or her house their nit even swore to Jon they are also hated by the rest if the North and made the Umbers turn on the Starks and reckons death. Sansa sacfricing the wildlings is a rather smart political move she allays some fears of other northern houses while limiting casualties to her own men. She can now rally the other northern houses such as reed, manderly, glover etc.

If Jon, the Wildlings and the few houses that were loyal get wiped out, who then inherits the North? When they are gone and the Boltons still standing, the other houses continue to support the Boltons

If she told Jon that reinforcements were on the way, it would surely have given him motivation to wait an extra day or two. With the added cavalry it changes the who dynamic of the attack on the Boltons forces

Like I said, the only positive is that with such a paltry force facing him Ramsay is over confident and doesn't force Jons army into an extended seige. If the Vale Knights were there from the start, Ramsay would likely have chosen that course

 

[Timbo]

I also think the whole 'Starks being inches apart only for tragedy to strike' thing is a pretty tired trope. I'd have preferred Rickon's flayed body to have been displayed on the outside of Winterfells walls when they arrived.

Having said that, something needed to make Jon run out of the line.

 

[Parra]

Maybe thats where LSH comes in? He did always want a wristy from her anyway!

I'm pretty happy that she has been excluded from the show

 

[Aragorn]

Having said that, something needed to make Jon run out of the line.

This.

It doesn't work if Jon and co just sit and wait for Ramsay, vice versa.

You need a spark to light it all up and that's where Rickon comes in.

 

[Aragorn]

I'm pretty happy that she has been excluded from the show

Agree.

Theres enough material to work no. No need to introduce anymore characters just for the sake of following the book.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

I'm pretty happy that she has been excluded from the show

I'm not really fussed if she's shows up or not.

I mean it would have been kind of cool but I?ve seen various sites spoil it for everyone, so it?s not going to have the impact that it might have had they introduced her in Season 4 or 5. It really was one of the great WTF moments of the book series.

 

[Game_Breaker]

Be interesting to see if Sansa marries Littlefinger, which he so obviously wants.

He at least deserves a wristy.

More than likely he wants her to marry Robin Arryn

This.

It doesn't work if Jon and co just sit and wait for Ramsay, vice versa.

You need a spark to light it all up and that's where Rickon comes in.

I guess you could say that Jon got Rickon-rolled