Game of Thrones II

[BennyV]

Nah.

But it is. There are always favourites.

Is there good and bad guys?

Jamie Lannister started the story by pushing Bran Stark out of a window. Now, he looks most likely to end Cersei's tyranny.
Stannis attacked Kings Landing and Joffrey (the actual bad guy) in an ect of 'good' but then he burns his daughter alive to become the evil.
Tormund attacks the wall with Mance Rayder, now he is one of the good guys against the Night's King.
Even Dany, from the start having been posed as the 'good' side of things, is showing glimpses of her father's madness.

Other than Jon, there's no real good or evil.

 

[DlEHARD]

Speaking of good and evil, gee hasn't Gendry developed a chip on his shoulder during his on screen absence and is out for blood. Not that I disapprove of course.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Is there good and bad guys?

Jamie Lannister started the story by pushing Bran Stark out of a window. Now, he looks most likely to end Cersei's tyranny.
Stannis attacked Kings Landing and Joffrey (the actual bad guy) in an ect of 'good' but then he burns his daughter alive to become the evil.
Tormund attacks the wall with Mance Rayder, now he is one of the good guys against the Night's King.
Even Dany, from the start having been posed as the 'good' side of things, is showing glimpses of her father's madness.

Other than Jon, there's no real good or evil.

And Jon hung a kid. Perhaps rightfully so.

But this is what is so great about GoT. It captures the reality of life - and certainly of it's world - in that there are no true heros.

In GRR Martins world if you want to achieve greatness then you're going to have to commit at least a few acts of cruelty or malice.

Maybe Tormunds future wife Brienne is the best example of the noble heroine.

 

[Parra Pride]

Is there good and bad guys?

Jamie Lannister started the story by pushing Bran Stark out of a window. Now, he looks most likely to end Cersei's tyranny.
Stannis attacked Kings Landing and Joffrey (the actual bad guy) in an ect of 'good' but then he burns his daughter alive to become the evil.
Tormund attacks the wall with Mance Rayder, now he is one of the good guys against the Night's King.
Even Dany, from the start having been posed as the 'good' side of things, is showing glimpses of her father's madness.

Other than Jon, there's no real good or evil.

Most of the characters tread a fair line between being good and bad, they've all acted like merkins at times while also doing good things at other times depending on what situations they have been in. Right from season one we've always had at least character who was just an out and out merkin though, Joffrey, Ramsay, Cersei and now Euron.

Also this whole bullshit about Dany showing glimpses of her fathers madness needs to stop. She burnt two people alive who had helped take one of her biggest allies away from her (an ally they had a sworn oath with) and then refused to bend the knee, that is in no way comparable to Aerys planning to burn everybody in King's Landing alive, or his treatment of the Starks who went looking for Rhaegar and Lyanna.

 

[Parra]

Most of the characters tread a fair line between being good and bad, they've all acted like merkins at times while also doing good things at other times depending on what situations they have been in. Right from season one we've always had at least character who was just an out and out merkin though, Joffrey, Ramsay, Cersei and now Euron.

Also this whole bullshit about Dany showing glimpses of her fathers madness needs to stop. She burnt two people alive who had helped take one of her biggest allies away from her (an ally they had a sworn oath with) and then refused to bend the knee, that is in no way comparable to Aerys planning to burn everybody in King's Landing alive, or his treatment of the Starks who went looking for Rhaegar and Lyanna.

Glimpses? She is a f**king loon. Up there with both cersei and her dad. Burning people alive for sport is a big indicator.

 

[Parra Pride]

Glimpses? She is a f**king loon. Up there with both cersei and her dad. Burning people alive for sport is a big indicator.

When has she ever burnt people alive for sport?

 

[Timbo]

I think it's her lack of restraint which is the concern, coupled with her fanatical demands for the throne despite having never set foot in Westeros.

 

[Parra Pride]

Lack of restraint? She has said a number of times she doesn't want to be a queen of ashes, and the one time she even thought about using her Dragons and just going to take King's Landing by force she was very easily talked down by Jon. The only person going down the mad king route is Cersei, she has already killed god only knows how many innocent people when the blew up the Sept of Baelor. Not going to be surprised at all if she even tries to use the White Walkers as a way to solidify her grasp on the Throne while Dany is throwing everything she has at trying to help save everyone's lives.

 

[Parra]

When has she ever burnt people alive for sport?

Tarlys , in fact the whole burning of the lannister army - she just set them alight and f**ked off. She burned that magi on the pyre that resulted in dragons - there was nothing in burning that woman expect for revenge (sport). Her first reaction when negotiating to purchase the unsullied was to burn the bloke selling them to her. For no reason other than he said a few things he didn't think she would understand.

She has burned no-one for anything other than sport. The one time she had opportunity to do something real, something not selfish,was when she took three dragons and actually found the nights king. She did some burning and left the job unfinished. Now they'll have to go back again. Will there ever be a better opportunity?

 

[Apey]

I thought he was a Targaryen - which makes him a made murderous merkin.

"King Jaehaerys once told me that madness and greatness are two sides of the same coin. Every time a new Targaryen is born, he said, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land."

I think Dany has definitely shown some signs of madness. She's obsessed with being Queen and has been kept in toe by Tyrion and Jon at times, I guess the key difference being she actually listened to their advice.

Anyway Jon is basically the Jesus of the story.

 

[Parra Pride]

Tarlys

Dickon was a bit overboard, his father had already betrayed an oath to the Tyrells (who supported Daenerys) and when given the chance to take that back chose death. Hardly sport either when they just got done sacking Highgarden, which was behind Daenerys at that point

in fact the whole burning of the lannister army - she just set them alight and f**ked off.

So using the weapons she has available to her in the middle of a war makes her insane? I guess every character who has fought in a war in this series is insane then. She didn't f**k off, either, she was there until the very end of that battle. Not to mention that the majority of Drogons attacks were focused on taking out carts, and any soldiers burnt after that initial breaking of the line were collateral damage.

She burned that magi on the pyre that resulted in dragons - there was nothing in burning that woman expect for revenge (sport).

I'll give you this one.

Her first reaction when negotiating to purchase the unsullied was to burn the bloke selling them to her. For no reason other than he said a few things he didn't think she would understand.

Actually her first reaction was to tell the Unsullied to kill every master, but to harm no children and free every slave. That guy was a master, so he got toasted. He was dying either way on that day, showing zero respect to her in the lead up didn't help his cause at all.

If she flies off the handle when she finds out Jon has a greater claim to the throne than she does I'll happily jump on board the "she's a mad bitch" band wagon, but until then nothing I've seen tells me she is going to be anything like Aerys. Viserys on the other hand was a grade A merkin.

 

[Game_Breaker]

Tarlys , in fact the whole burning of the lannister army - she just set them alight and f**ked off. She burned that magi on the pyre that resulted in dragons - there was nothing in burning that woman expect for revenge (sport). Her first reaction when negotiating to purchase the unsullied was to burn the bloke selling them to her. For no reason other than he said a few things he didn't think she would understand.

She has burned no-one for anything other than sport. The one time she had opportunity to do something real, something not selfish,was when she took three dragons and actually found the nights king. She did some burning and left the job unfinished. Now they'll have to go back again. Will there ever be a better opportunity?

The Tarlys were excecuted for not bending the knee
She burned the unsullied master because he ordered his guards to kill her?
She killed the witch lady for pretty much murdering Khal Drogo

I can't see your point

 

[Parra]

Revenge is sport , nothing else.

What is the point of burning people who won't become turncoats. Who wants followers who hate you but are scared of being burned to death? This is the behaviour that earned her crazy family the reputation they deserve. This is why the Starks and Baratheons led a rebellion to rid westeros of leaders who rule only by violence and burning.

 

[Parra]

Burned those warlocks too.

In a moment of kindness, she locked some people in a vault to starve.

Charmer.

 

[Parra]

Watched her brother burned to death. Heaps of fun.

 

[Spudd]

This is what Bran saw when he visited the NK.

 

[BennyV]

Most of the characters tread a fair line between being good and bad, they've all acted like merkins at times while also doing good things at other times depending on what situations they have been in. Right from season one we've always had at least character who was just an out and out merkin though, Joffrey, Ramsay, Cersei and now Euron.

Also this whole bullshit about Dany showing glimpses of her fathers madness needs to stop. She burnt two people alive who had helped take one of her biggest allies away from her (an ally they had a sworn oath with) and then refused to bend the knee, that is in no way comparable to Aerys planning to burn everybody in King's Landing alive, or his treatment of the Starks who went looking for Rhaegar and Lyanna.

I'm not sure you know what 'glimpses' are. Burning the Tarly's was overboard, as Tyrion said there were other options available but she opted to rule by fear. Fair play to her, but it's the same rule that her father (and now Cersei) have.

No one has said she's gone full Aerys, but the fact that she's had to be talked down from blasting Kings Landing with dragon fire is indicative that she's ready to do that at some point.

Right from season one we've always had at least character who was just an out and out merkin though, Joffrey, Ramsay, Cersei and now Euron.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK. I'll not hear the Great Euron Greyjoy spoken of in such company.

 

[Timbo]

This is what Bran saw when he visited the NK.

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Oh snap. I didn't pick up on that.

 

[Cherry_poppins]

Love the music this bloke is top shelf

 

[CGD]

Revenge is sport? Please.

Hunting is sport. Joffrey using his crossbow was sport. Ramsay using his dogs was sport. They both tortured and killed to entertain themselves. That's sport.

Ridiculous argument.