Game of Thrones VIII

[Danish]

Prophecies being twisted up by people obsessed with them is one of the core ideas of the series.

One of the issues with Arya's takedown of NK, if that is indeed the end of the whole magic plotline, is that all the prophecies are seemingly forgotten rather than twisted into an unexpected fulfilment. Except the throwaway line about eye colours.

What exactly are the other prophesies?

Melisandre threw so many darts at the wall one was bound to stick eventually. Hell even she didn’t know whether what she was doing was actually going to work when she was saying her words to light the trench

 

[Timbo]

What exactly are the other prophesies?

Melisandre threw so many darts at the wall one was bound to stick eventually. Hell even she didn’t know whether what she was doing was actually going to work when she was saying her words to light the trench

Yeah, exactly.

People who are banging on about prophecies and predictions - have you forgotten the years we spent with Sannis as the chosen one? How did Melisandre call that?

 

[Springs09]

Says a lot when everyone's favourite show is run by a couple of cynical fools with the mental capacity of children. But then a big percentage of the population wastes their time on Married at First Sight and The Block.

 

[Springs09]

Yeah, exactly.

People who are banging on about prophecies and predictions - have you forgotten the years we spent with Sannis as the chosen one? How did Melisandre call that?

Stannis is still alive in the books and as soon as they got past the books the writers killed him, having previously stated how much they hated him.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Yeah Stannis was criminally underused and underappreciated by the show creators.

 

[Rhino_NQ]

What exactly are the other prophesies?

Melisandre threw so many darts at the wall one was bound to stick eventually. Hell even she didn’t know whether what she was doing was actually going to work when she was saying her words to light the trench

"for the night is dark and full of f*&k knows"

 

[butchmcdick]

People have been bitching about plot shortcuts and dumb writing engineered to deliver big #epic moments for years and i've as much as anyone justified it and enjoyed the ride.

This time they stretched it too far for me to enjoy. Since we're getting personal, you'd have to be a total simpleton to be satisfied by that nonsense. Keep lapping up shit and calling it lobster, lads

Lol

 

[adamkungl]

What exactly are the other prophesies?

Melisandre threw so many darts at the wall one was bound to stick eventually. Hell even she didn’t know whether what she was doing was actually going to work when she was saying her words to light the trench

Yeah, exactly.

People who are banging on about prophecies and predictions - have you forgotten the years we spent with Sannis as the chosen one? How did Melisandre call that?

Hold up.

I expect things that have been built up over multiple seasons to be acknowledged and dealt with in a sensible way, but I never said I expected anything Melisandre said to come true exactly how she said it.

The supposed Hero prophecy, I don't think it's been fulfilled or debunked or twisted yet. Arya doesn't fit IMO, @Game_Breaker has a go above but again it feels unsatisfying.

Following Stannis for years illustrates the point. The story acknowledges that Stannis was a bust, and leads Melisandre to Jon Snow. Jon Snow is revived. She now believes he is the true prophecised legend. The Dany enters, and fits just as well if not better. The story makes clear all these failures of prophecy. Now, in the final season, either they've wrapped it up in a contrived way (Arya taking down NK ending the entire plotline), there's still more to come (possible), or theyve forgotten it entirely.

 

[butchmcdick]

Hold up.

I expect things that have been built up over multiple seasons to be acknowledged and dealt with in a sensible way, but I never said I expected anything Melisandre said to come true exactly how she said it.

The supposed Hero prophecy, I don't think it's been fulfilled or debunked or twisted yet. Arya doesn't fit IMO, @Game_Breaker has a go above but again it feels unsatisfying.

So, I hope there's more at play than meets the eye.

What would satisfy you in terms of how it should end ?

 

[adamkungl]

What would satisfy you in terms of how it should end ?

Characters having motives and consequences, and plotlines being resolved in a fulfilling way. For the magic major plotline to converge with the thrones major plotline, and not be an apocalypse treated as a sideshow.

Unconcerned about specifically who wins, lives or dies. Like I said, I shouldn't have focused on Arya so much in my original bitch, because that isn't my concern so much.

Does the NK being built up as an all-seeing demigod then walking into an obvious trap not feel cheap to you? Walking into failure because he's a mindless killing machine (never mind 8000 years of planning) or simply arrogant (cop-out)?
So much of importance of previous seasons seemingly vanishing in a single stab?

BUT I truly want to be wrong. I want the next episode to reveal something that makes me look dumb for getting angry at a cliffhanger. I've read enough today to give me hope that there's something more to this.

 

[Rhino_NQ]

hodor

 

[adamkungl]

hodor

Good point. Is there any significance to Bran's time warping ability

 

[butchmcdick]

Characters having motives and consequences, and plotlines being resolved in a fulfilling way. For the magic major plotline to converge with the thrones major plotline, and not be an apocalypse treated as a sideshow.

Unconcerned about specifically who wins, lives or dies. Like I said, I shouldn't have focused on Arya so much in my original bitch, because that isn't my concern so much.

Does the NK being built up as an all-seeing demigod then walking into an obvious trap not feel cheap to you? Walking into failure because he's a mindless killing machine (never mind 8000 years of planning) or simply arrogant (cop-out)?
So much of importance of previous seasons seemingly vanishing in a single stab?

BUT I truly want to be wrong. I want the next episode to reveal something that makes me look dumb for getting angry at a cliffhanger. I've read enough today to give me hope that there's something more to this.

I get your point of view I just disagree with it

I didn’t think it was an obvious trap

I think he walked into it because he underestimated the living. I mean he saw Jon and aunt as the only real threats, he’d f**ked them up where they couldn’t harm him, he was surrounded by whites, he just didn’t account for Arya

Certainly the execution shocked the shit out of me

 

[avocado]

The show is brilliant. The best ever. I enjoy it immensely without criticising anything.

Am I weird?

 

[greenBV4]

Sometimes prophecies don't come to pass? There are literally movies/tv shows whose main plot is for either the good guys or the bad guys to stop or change a prophecy?

Maybe Jon or Dany were the prophesied prince who was promised but Arya stopped the prophecy by killing the NK first?

I think the books will go into it more and turn out a lot differently, but for the sake of the show, they chose to ditch or "stop" the prophecy. The books are already fairly different

Spoiler: book spoiler

Different characters are still alive or already dead, and some character just never existed in the show, there's even another Targaryen (allegedly) named Aegon (I doubt Jon's name in the books will be Aegon for this reason) already in Westeros before Dany

 

[Timbo]

 

[Game_Breaker]

Sometimes prophecies don't come to past? There are literally movies/tv shows who's main plot either by the good guys or the bad guys is to stop or change a prophecy?

Maybe Jon or Dany were the prophesied prince who was promised but Arya stopped the prophecy by killing the NK first?

I think the books will go into it more and turn out a lot differently, but for the sake of the show they chose to ditch or "stop" the prophecy. The books are already fairly different

Spoiler: book spoiler

Different characters are still alive or already dead, and some character just never existed in the show, there's even another Targaryen (allegedly) named Aegon (I doubt Jon's name in the books will be Aegon for this reason) already in Westeros before Dany

Exactly, prophecies don't even have to be fulfilled
I see a theme of people going out of their way to fulfill prophecies and end up f**king things up

Rhaegar marrying Lyanna for example started a war

 

[Apey]

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I agree not everybody is going to be happy no matter which way you go.

But Jaime doesn't fit in any of those categories.

And Aryas "foreshadowing" was a) nonsensical (eg. green eyes comment before they even picked Arya to be the killer) and b) retconned; picked largely at random by the show's creators to surprise the audience.

I think the criticism that she's a Mary Sue is dumb though. No issue with her capability; she HAS been training a hell of a lot to become an assassin. It just doesn't fit the story and I think GRRM will prove that if he ever finishes (lol).

 

[Game_Breaker]

The music of the episode was epic

Real chills start at 6:33

 

[greenBV4]

The music of the episode was epic

Real chills start at 6:33

Awesome soundtrack, for me definitely one of my favourites from the series (that I can remember/find) and up there with these 2