Game of Thrones

[duck]

If nothing else I hope Jon shoves his sword into Alliser Thorne's eye socket.

 

[duck]

And apologies if a dumb question.
I've read all the books. Watched all the series twice. I can't for the life of me remember the significance of the Tower Of Joy.
What's the story?

Help.

 

[gUt]

And apologies if a dumb question.
I've read all the books. Watched all the series twice. I can't for the life of me remember the significance of the Tower Of Joy.
What's the story?

Help.

It's the wife's name for my c**k

 

[DiegoNT]

And apologies if a dumb question.
I've read all the books. Watched all the series twice. I can't for the life of me remember the significance of the Tower Of Joy.
What's the story?

Help.

Where Ned found Lyanna
'Promise me'

 

[Walt Flanigan]

hmm I'm starting to suspect Dany may be a Targaryen

Just a red herring

 

[Prometheus]

And apologies if a dumb question.
I've read all the books. Watched all the series twice. I can't for the life of me remember the significance of the Tower Of Joy.
What's the story?

Help.

The Tower of Joy was the tower on the Dornish border where Rhaegar Targaryen kept Lyanna Stark after he "abducted" her. She was guarded there by three of the Kingsguard- Lord Commander Gerald Hightower, legendary warrior Ser Arthur Dayne (the "Sword of the Morning") and Ser Oswell Whent. At the end of Robert's Rebellion, with King Aerys and Prince Rhaegar both dead, Ned Stark went there with some of his bannermen (including Howland Reed, Jojen and Meera's father) to rescue her.

 

[saint.nick]

Episode is getting mixed reaction from critics. Bunch of miserable merkins who are butthurt because they didn't get to see a screening this season.

Their two biggest criticisms:
- the pacing (lol, it was fine)
- and the resurrection; it was 'predictable'.

Such dumb criticisms, especially the last one. With social media and etc exposing everyone to theories and shit, it was impossible to make it less predictable without dragging it out for too long.

 

[umina panther]

The way he was Resurrected was lame but then again almost everything about Jon Snow so far has also been lame

 

[McNulty]

Considering everyone had predicted that some other Red Witch or Thoros would resurrect Jon, I fail to see how it was predictable.

What I did like was the symmetry with Thoros and Beric / Melisandre and Jon.

Thoros claimed her no longer believed but said the words anyway, at which point he resurrected Beric for the first time, and 6 times after that. Melisandre reached that point where she no longer believed, said the words anyway and up pops Jon.

 

[Misanthrope]

Considering everyone had predicted that some other Red Witch or Thoros would resurrect Jon, I fail to see how it was predictable.

What I did like was the symmetry with Thoros and Beric / Melisandre and Jon.

Thoros claimed her no longer believed but said the words anyway, at which point he resurrected Beric for the first time, and 6 times after that. Melisandre reached that point where she no longer believed, said the words anyway and up pops Jon.

I mean, it was exactly what everybody predicted would happen, but that's in keeping with the mythology of the show and the books. Was there some other way to bring him back from the dead aside from what had already been established as possible by Thoros of Myr?

Keeping with the mythology doesn't mean it was bad writing or 'lazy', even if it was predictable.

 

[saint.nick]

I know, it seems that people like to be surprised just for the sake of it, and when they are surprised they're suddenly like 'oh bravo! great, great writing!'

To be fair though McNulty, most people predicted Melisandre.

With youtube and social media these days, it's too hard to keep shit like that unpredictable. If this was 20 years ago, it would have been unpredictable to most non-book readers.

What's ironic is some of these critics come from the same outlets that perpetuate such fan theory in their own publishings, with articles title like, 'R+L=J explained', 'Why Jon Snow Will Return'. It's hypocrisy to complain about everyone expecting his resurrection when you're actually one of the reasons why a lot of non-book fans have seen through Jon's death.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

 

[duck]

The Tower of Joy was the tower on the Dornish border where Rhaegar Targaryen kept Lyanna Stark after he "abducted" her. She was guarded there by three of the Kingsguard- Lord Commander Gerald Hightower, legendary warrior Ser Arthur Dayne (the "Sword of the Morning") and Ser Oswell Whent. At the end of Robert's Rebellion, with King Aerys and Prince Rhaegar both dead, Ned Stark went there with some of his bannermen (including Howland Reed, Jojen and Meera's father) to rescue her.

Thanks mate.

 

[Prometheus]

Was there some other way to bring him back from the dead aside from what had already been established as possible by Thoros of Myr?

There is whatever necromancy Qyburn used on Ser Gregor Clegane. Though I'm not sure we'd want Jon Snow back like that.

Keeping with the mythology doesn't mean it was bad writing or 'lazy', even if it was predictable.

Melisandre resurrecting Jon wasn't what was lazy writing. Doing it using the age-old TV trope of having the characters all believe that it had failed and then Jon suddenly coming back to life with a gasp is what was lazy writing. They think it builds suspense, but we've all seen it hundreds of times before. Every time we've seen a character revived by mouth-to-mouth or CPR they have woken up that way, just when we think they are gone.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Melisandre resurrecting Jon wasn't what was lazy writing. Doing it using the age-old TV trope of having the characters all believe that it had failed and then Jon suddenly coming back to life with a gasp is what was lazy writing. They think it builds suspense, but we've all seen it hundreds of times before. Every time we've seen a character revived by mouth-to-mouth or CPR they have woken up that way, just when we think they are gone.

I agree to some extent. But I think it worked for GoT because it's the type of show that could just leave Jon lying dead on the table.

 

[saint.nick]

There is whatever necromancy Qyburn used on Ser Gregor Clegane. Though I'm not sure we'd want Jon Snow back like that.



Melisandre resurrecting Jon wasn't what was lazy writing. Doing it using the age-old TV trope of having the characters all believe that it had failed and then Jon suddenly coming back to life with a gasp is what was lazy writing. They think it builds suspense, but we've all seen it hundreds of times before. Every time we've seen a character revived by mouth-to-mouth or CPR they have woken up that way, just when we think they are gone.

With respect, calling it 'lazy' writing is just a lazy insult to the scriptwriters. This is one of the most important scenes of the entire series, yet it's made out that they just tried to quickly get it out of the way. I call bullshit.

The guy was dead for at least two days. Understandable that they wanted to portray that bringing him back to life wouldn't be fast or easy. It makes sense that they wanted this to be the episode's last scene, and it makes sense that they wanted you to wait for the aftermath until next week.

These guys are in a no-win situation. If they made it a fast and easy resurrection with everyone still in the room, they would have been criticised for, yes, being lazy and not making it dramatic enough.

You may have been sitting there rolling your eyes, but I can assure you that many viewers were on the edge of their seat rapidly skipping between the ideas that he will come back at the last moment, or they'll wait until next episode. I always knew that he'd come back eventually, but that definitely happened to me. That is the effect they were going for - they used the leverage which was their reputation for ruthless and heartbreaking storytelling, and they pulled it off.

 

[McNulty]

Interesting theory on Hodor on Reddit.

Some saying he may have been a warg. He warged inside Lyanna’s horse (possibly named Hodor) but stayed in there too long, possibly horse got killed etc

Better explanation here: https://www.buzzfeed.com/andyneuens...why-hodor-is-h?utm_term=.uu3vveMrB#.reGdd8OaM

 

[mongoose]

Episode is getting mixed reaction from critics. Bunch of miserable merkins who are butthurt because they didn't get to see a screening this season.

Their two biggest criticisms:
- the pacing (lol, it was fine)
- and the resurrection; it was 'predictable'.

Such dumb criticisms, especially the last one. With social media and etc exposing everyone to theories and shit, it was impossible to make it less predictable without dragging it out for too long.

whats wrong with the pacing? now the pacing of season 5 was terrible, I wanted to stop watching it was so slow and pointless. The resurrection was predictable but I am glad they did it early on in the season. I thought they would wait until the last episode to do it - now that would have been really predictable and annoying.

 

[Prometheus]

With respect, calling it 'lazy' writing is just a lazy insult to the scriptwriters. This is one of the most important scenes of the entire series, yet it's made out that they just tried to quickly get it out of the way. I call bullshit.

I never said a thing about them trying to get it out of the way.

 

[Misanthrope]

Interesting theory on Hodor on Reddit.

Some saying he may have been a warg. He warged inside Lyanna?s horse (possibly named Hodor) but stayed in there too long, possibly horse got killed etc

Better explanation here: https://www.buzzfeed.com/andyneuens...why-hodor-is-h?utm_term=.uu3vveMrB#.reGdd8OaM

Interesting theory. I am genuinely curious to see what happened to him. I hope they don't just forget about it.