Game of Thrones

[Storm13]

How the last episode should've ended :lol:

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[Parra]

I was waiting for "you killed my father, prepare to die"

 

[adamkungl]

If you think Oberyn was shaping up to be Tywin's big opposition in the war then you don't understand him at all. He's just a bitter guy who wanted to kill someone. He's not the leader of "the Good Guys"

 

[Game_Breaker]

If you think Oberyn was shaping up to be Tywin's big opposition in the war then you don't understand him at all. He's just a bitter guy who wanted to kill someone. He's not the leader of "the Good Guys"

Well he did die, so I guess that's one of the prerequisites to be leader of the good guys in GoT. :sarcasm:

But going by the book readers reaction in this thread, the TV Oberyn was portrayed a little differently to the book Oberyn. During the fight he didn't just want a confession from the Mountain, but he wanted him to admit that Tywin gave the order to kill his sister, nephew and niece. Was that something the TV producers added or what that also in the book?

 

[Misanthrope]

Well he did die, so I guess that's one of the prerequisites to be leader of the good guys in GoT. :sarcasm:

But going by the book readers reaction in this thread, the TV Oberyn was portrayed a little differently to the book Oberyn. During the fight he didn't just want a confession from the Mountain, but he wanted him to admit that Tywin gave the order to kill his sister, nephew and niece. Was that something the TV producers added or what that also in the book?

It's been a long while since I read the third book, but I believe he was looking for a confession from the Mountain because:

a). It was only believed The Mountain had raped and killed her.
b). He couldn't very well go after Tywin without some kind of proof.

Whether he'd have tried to kill Tywin himself or simply used the confession to convince his older brother to go to war with the Lannisters is up for debate.

 

[soc123_au]

My impression from the book was he wanted to implicate Tywin as well as kill The Mountain. I also thought he was a good character in the book. I was pretty disappointed when he died, although that could also be magnified by worry for Tyrion. I still shake my head that I wanted Tyrion thrown through the moon door in season 1. (I hadn't read the books at that point)

 

[Parra Pride]

How the last episode should've ended :lol:

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Ser Pounce jumping on Tommen's lap alone would make up for Oberyn dying.

 

[Game_Breaker]

It's been a long while since I read the third book, but I believe he was looking for a confession from the Mountain because:

a). It was only believed The Mountain had raped and killed her.
b). He couldn't very well go after Tywin without some kind of proof.

Whether he'd have tried to kill Tywin himself or simply used the confession to convince his older brother to go to war with the Lannisters is up for debate.

Yep.
With the Mountain eventually confessing, that implicates Tywin I believe. Who knows what he planned to do after that

 

[Misanthrope]

My impression from the book was he wanted to implicate Tywin as well as kill The Mountain. I also thought he was a good character in the book. I was pretty disappointed when he died, although that could also be magnified by worry for Tyrion. I still shake my head that I wanted Tyrion thrown through the moon door in season 1. (I hadn't read the books at that point)

Wow. I thought Tyrion was almost universally loved from day one, but I watched mainly with book readers too.

In the show, at least, the Mountain confessed to the killings - but never said who gave the order, which was what Oberyn wanted perhaps even more than killing the Mountain.

After all, he knows that soldiers follow orders, and that ultimately their evils are the responsibility of those above them.

 

[Parra]

It's been a while since i read the books. But I recall that it was Clegane and Ser Amory Lorch who killed Ellaria and her kids. Something suggested that they had orders, but couldn't really be controlled. The implication is that they went too far and tainted the relationship with Dorne. Whether Clegane was telling the truth or just an angry merkin at the end is open.

Spoiler: spoiler

Recall that Doran Martell, considered slow and weak by many, is merely patiently waiting and putting things in place to take the kingdom and probably end the Lannisters. Oberyn was too hasty and stupid to see that it was pointless to pursue Clegane and even more pointless to show his hand.

 

[Pete Cash]

Loch killed Rhaeyns so you recall correctly. Gregor killed elia and aegon.

 

[Game_Breaker]

It's been a while since i read the books. But I recall that it was Clegane and Ser Amory Lorch who killed Ellaria and her kids. Something suggested that they had orders, but couldn't really be controlled. The implication is that they went too far and tainted the relationship with Dorne. Whether Clegane was telling the truth or just an angry merkin at the end is open.

Spoiler: spoiler

Recall that Doran Martell, considered slow and weak by many, is merely patiently waiting and putting things in place to take the kingdom and probably end the Lannisters. Oberyn was too hasty and stupid to see that it was pointless to pursue Clegane and even more pointless to show his hand.

Also in the first episode of this season Oberyn said that if the Mountain did kill his sister and her kids then the order must've came from Tywin, after all they are Rhaegar Targaryen's children too so Tywin wanted them dead so they couldn't claim the throne.
The rape would've been the Mountain going "too far"

 

[Parra]

Don't forget that Robert Baratheon hated Targaryens and was open about it. The issue was that the bodies were presented to Robert wrapped in Lannister crimson. Whether Tywin wanted the kids dead or not, he sought advantage by presenting them that way.

 

[Misanthrope]

If we're being honest with ourselves, Robert may well have given the order himself if Tywin hadn't done the dirty work for him.

 

[Pete Cash]

Yeah Robert was a bit of a dickhead.

 

[LESStar58]

Great episode this week featuring the attack on the Wall.

nice to see Sam man up and stop being a pussy.

 

[Game_Breaker]

Ygritte's final words couldn't have been anything else

 

[umina panther]

Twiz is going to be sad

 

[RHCP]

Can't believe it was that f**king potato kid :lol:

Giants were awesome. Especially that arrow.

 

[HowHigh]

Pretty intense episode
Leaves a lot to get through in the finale next week