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Gameday - Rd 10 Warriors v Panthers

Wizardman

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I suspect the investigation is into the comments not the shit calls?
Wonder if NRL will be a bit more worried about a major sponsor seeing what the random punters have been screaming about for a while. Oh hold on its a Warriors sponsor.

Amazing in today's world it got past any PC filters. Must have done a customer survey and found their target demographic had these grievance! 😀
I will say this. I have had this chat with a few of my mates about which team cops it the most from the refs. Neither mate is a Warriors fan but everybody comes up with the same answer......Warriors cop the bad calls the most and get the least 50/50s in the comp. It has been like that for a long time.
 

GoSouths

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Phil Gould got investigated last week too

How embarrassing from the sponsor, shame he wasn’t as concerned about the customer service of his operation where you spend an hour on hold to speak to someone overseas that you can
I disagree. Hes just saying what everyones thinking and he knows the Warriors dont want to cop a big fine (because thats how insecure the NRL is putting those in place) He made the news. You and no one else on here will be doing that...
You seem a bit salty after your Manly team got thrashed..
 

nswarrior

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Phil Gould got investigated last week too

How embarrassing from the sponsor, shame he wasn’t as concerned about the customer service of his operation where you spend an hour on hold to speak to someone overseas that you can barely understand
Not embarrassing at all. Most of us understand a few 50/50 go both ways but there were too many shit calls. How was that tackle in Harris not a penalty
 
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I disagree. Hes just saying what everyones thinking and he knows the Warriors dont want to cop a big fine (because thats how insecure the NRL is putting those in place) He made the news. You and no one else on here will be doing that...
You seem a bit salty after your Manly team got thrashed..
Lol nice try fella, just know that rightly or wrongly while the victim mentality permeates through an organisation, they won’t be making the strides they want to as a club, as it gives everyone an easy out.

Thankfully Webster seems to be along those lines and eventually the club comes out of that mentality. He knows that scoring 1 try in 2 weeks won’t win many footy games

The Warriors may cop a few extra, but just off the top of my head, The Dogs feel aggrieved after an obstruction wasn’t called, Manly feel robbed after a forward pass that went metres backwards was called v Souths, The Dolphins got an apology last week and the list goes on
 

Fufu Andronez

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Lol nice try fella, just know that rightly or wrongly while the victim mentality permeates through an organisation, they won’t be making the strides they want to as a club, as it gives everyone an easy out.

Thankfully Webster seems to be along those lines and eventually the club comes out of that mentality. He knows that scoring 1 try in 2 weeks won’t win many footy games

The Warriors may cop a few extra, but just off the top of my head, The Dogs feel aggrieved after an obstruction wasn’t called, Manly feel robbed after a forward pass that went metres backwards was called v Souths, The Dolphins got an apology last week and the list goes on
Webster is a genuine dude and there is no way he would let a victim mentality fester in the club. No fear of that. He's had ample chances to give the players an out this year through injuries etc and has never done it.

There is a difference between calling out sheer incompetence and bitching about a couple of calls here and there. Officiating in general is dog shit across the board and unless we make some noise we will continue to be stuck in the cycle of getting the arse end of it most times.

Sponsor did exactly what was asked/needed of him for sure, bring attention to it in the media so we can potentially get the rub of the green in the future.
 
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I do think Warriors get more calls than most go against them. I thought both sin bins were right on the weekend, but Penrith should have been penalised for both high shots, with Moses probably also in the bin.
 
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If the suggestion is Yeo performed a hip-drop you will need to find a better still than that….

I’m not saying that he didn’t (as policed, they are pretty endemic in the game) but a picture showing Yeo with a leg laying flat on the ground and not on the leg, with one of his arms around the knees and the attacker not showing any discomfort isn’t exactly a smoking gun…
 

SpaceMonkey

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If the suggestion is Yeo performed a hip-drop you will need to find a better still than that….

I’m not saying that he didn’t (as policed, they are pretty endemic in the game) but a picture showing Yeo with a leg laying flat on the ground and not on the leg, with one of his arms around the knees and the attacker not showing any discomfort isn’t exactly a smoking gun…
I think the issue is more that picture shows about as much of a hip drop as Ford got binned for.
one issue with the hip drop is the interpretation at the moment is very much black and white, it’s 10 min in the bin or nothing. But the nature of the tackles are anything but, there are a lot of borderline cases that are accidental where the player is trying to complete the tackle and the general motion of the tackle just means they fall somewhere around the tackled players legs. They don’t deserve anything more than a penalty imo.
 
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I think the issue is more that picture shows about as much of a hip drop as Ford got binned for.
one issue with the hip drop is the interpretation at the moment is very much black and white, it’s 10 min in the bin or nothing. But the nature of the tackles are anything but, there are a lot of borderline cases that are accidental where the player is trying to complete the tackle and the general motion of the tackle just means they fall somewhere around the tackled players legs. They don’t deserve anything more than a penalty imo.
That’s probably fair. I don’t remember Ford’s tackle very well, but remembered at the time I thought it was worse than the one that Soni Luke did last week, where he was sat on the ground holding the attackers waist and got dragged by the player moving forward over his legs.

The interpretation of the hip drop is still working itself out, but I am happy that it is occurring; hip drops do need to be eradicated and if that means people sit down for innocuous tackles then that is the price we need to pay for forcing coaches to coach better technique.
 

JJ

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Mid season we always see clamp downs on some issue or another, then by the end of the season they don’t usually give a toss

every losing team is salty about decisions, all decisions can be debated. But a sponsor CEO calling cheating (as opposed to questioning competence) is awful, and embarrassing tbh.

they’ll win next week and nobody will mention cheating refs
 
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Mid season we always see clamp downs on some issue or another, then by the end of the season they don’t usually give a toss

every losing team is salty about decisions, all decisions can be debated. But a sponsor CEO calling cheating (as opposed to questioning competence) is awful, and embarrassing tbh.

they’ll win next week and nobody will mention cheating refs
The whole social media meltdown across all platforms is getting absolutely ridiculous, will add that it’s not coming from the Warriors club themselves which is the most promising thing with it all. Got to get out of the victim mentality culture, still comments about how tough the 3 games in 11 days is, which is indeed very tough, but haven’t heard anything from Roosters or Dragons about 3 in 12 days which is very similar

Good luck to the referees under a huge microscope this week, if all we want is consistency then the Warriors fans would be happy to get another dodgy match winning try against the Dogs this week to go with the one earlier in the year ;)
 

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The whole social media meltdown across all platforms is getting absolutely ridiculous, will add that it’s not coming from the Warriors club themselves which is the most promising thing with it all. Got to get out of the victim mentality culture, still comments about how tough the 3 games in 11 days is, which is indeed very tough, but haven’t heard anything from Roosters or Dragons about 3 in 12 days which is very similar

Good luck to the referees under a huge microscope this week, if all we want is consistency then the Warriors fans would be happy to get another dodgy match winning try against the Dogs this week to go with the one earlier in the year ;)
Re the three games in 11 days thing I reckon we have a point when you also consider we had Melbourne-Roosters-Penrith, played at Melbourne-Auckland-Brisbane - that’s a merkin of a run. Chooks come close though
 

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I do think Warriors get more calls than most go against them. I thought both sin bins were right on the weekend, but Penrith should have been penalised for both high shots, with Moses probably also in the bin.

I don't think Sifakula should have gone to the bin. I agree with the rest.

In saying that, it shouldn't be said that the refereeing was the reason for the loss. Panthers were the better team.
 
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Yeah that’s fair with the travel, all a bit of a perfect Storm with Anzac Day falling on a Tuesday and then Magic Round pencilled in where it is. If I’m correct Anzac Day is a Thursday next year which is far better for the 4 teams involved than a Tuesday or Wednesday

Im all for tradition but I do think that the ANZAC day game should be rotational between Melbourne and Auckland, hopefully we would be able to throw together a fitting ceremony
 

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Yeah that’s fair with the travel, all a bit of a perfect Storm with Anzac Day falling on a Tuesday and then Magic Round pencilled in where it is. If I’m correct Anzac Day is a Thursday next year which is far better for the 4 teams involved than a Tuesday or Wednesday

Im all for tradition but I do think that the ANZAC day game should be rotational between Melbourne and Auckland, hopefully we would be able to throw together a fitting ceremony
Yeah I get the whole “but Melbourne does it so well” sentiment but the fact is us going over there year after year on a hiding to nothing isn’t a great look- and the only time it was changed up Melbourne didn’t come to Auckland so you can hardly say it was a failed experiment
 

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I thought we genuinely created enough opportunities to win the last 3 games despite the tough calls from the ref. We just missed the chance to convert and against those better sides you have to ice the opportunities you get because you don't know when your next chance will be coming. Would we have won with different calls from the ref? Probably not for reasons that have been debated in the team selection threads each week. Most of us know why we lost and we know its not due to the reffing.

Also the fact we lost both our wingers against Penrith wasn't the fault of the referees. It's bad luck that happens in a brutal sport. Obviously the 2 sin bins contributed to the fatigue factor but my point is still the same.
 

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Former Warriors chief executive Jim Doyle says the NRL are “desperate” for the Auckland club to succeed and any suggestions of prejudice against them are unfounded.

The perceived treatment of the Warriors by referees has been a flashpoint this week, after a series of comments made by One NZ boss Jason Paris.

Though he backtracked from his initial allegation of cheating, Paris claimed the accumulation of incidents in recent weeks were evidence of an unconscious bias against the club.

His comments have generated widespread reaction on both sides of the Tasman, with some former players agreeing the Warriors have extra impediments to success.

Doyle brings a unique perspective.

He was Warriors boss for three seasons between 2015-2017 and before that held senior positions in the NRL, including chief operating officer. Doyle was also New Zealand Rugby League CEO between 2009 and 2012.

Having been both inside and outside the tent, Doyle has no doubts about sentiment within the NRL.

“You hear it all the time — the NRL don’t want the Warriors to win and that sort of thing,” Doyle told the Herald. “But I can tell you for sure, after working at the NRL at the highest level and then going to the Warriors, I can guarantee you that the NRL are desperate for the Warriors to win the premiership.

“The NRL has got no influence, obviously, over who wins the premiership, but if you ask the NRL who they would prefer 99 per cent of people there will say the Warriors.”

That’s because of the far-reaching impact — commercially and otherwise — that sustained positive results would bring.

“A successful Warriors team means more kids will play rugby league in New Zealand and more corporates want to get behind the sport,” said Doyle. “The ripple effect of the Warriors doing well would be big and the NRL know that.”

Doyle added that another benefit would be increased viewership, which could lead to a better television deal on this side of the Tasman, while success could also drive the argument for a second New Zealand-based club, which would improve pathways and development for all teams.

“It’s the complete opposite,” said Doyle. “The NRL want the Warriors to be successful — not to not be successful.”

Doyle assures he isn’t taking a rose-tinted approach.

During his Mt Smart tenure he admits there were times he was frustrated with refereeing decisions or felt the club had been treated unfairly on the field or at the judiciary.

“When you are focused on one team, when you are losing games, you feel like things are going against you,” said Doyle. “But I knew that it wasn’t any conspiracy theory, it was just the rub of the green. Because I had been at the NRL – and I knew all the people really well – when things were going against you, even though you felt that everything was against you I never felt they wanted us to lose and were doing it on purpose. I knew that wasn’t the case.”


Doyle is also sceptical of the idea of an unconscious bias in favour of the heavyweight clubs and star players, which supposedly goes against more unfashionable teams.

“It feels like that, because the lesser teams lose games,” said Doyle. “Some of the big teams get bad decisions against them but they still win the game. Whereas the teams that are not winning, unfortunately, they can get some bad decisions against them as well but because they lose the game it compounds that.”

Doyle cited examples of bigger teams that overcome a bad decision, whereas the sides near the bottom have smaller margins.

“That bad decision can take them from just winning to just losing,” said Doyle.

Another former Warriors boss, Wayne Scurrah, took a similar view.

“I admire Jason Paris and his support of the club but as Andrew Webster and the players have said, you just have to take the odd rough call on the chin and learn to win regardless of those 50-50 calls,” said Scurrah, who was in the top job between 2005-2014.

“Generally, when we were at our best and our coach and players were at their best, we would find a way to win.

“Across eight games every weekend people can pick out calls that could have gone either way. You just need to get past it – you need to park them.”

Scurrah added that the Warriors’ success during his tenure “meant a lot” to the NRL.

“They loved it when the Warriors were going well and when we had all three teams in the finals in 2011 it was massive commercially. They know that when the Warriors succeed the sport throughout Australasia benefits as well.”

 
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Former Warriors chief executive Jim Doyle says the NRL are “desperate” for the Auckland club to succeed and any suggestions of prejudice against them are unfounded.

The perceived treatment of the Warriors by referees has been a flashpoint this week, after a series of comments made by One NZ boss Jason Paris.

Though he backtracked from his initial allegation of cheating, Paris claimed the accumulation of incidents in recent weeks were evidence of an unconscious bias against the club.

His comments have generated widespread reaction on both sides of the Tasman, with some former players agreeing the Warriors have extra impediments to success.

Doyle brings a unique perspective.

He was Warriors boss for three seasons between 2015-2017 and before that held senior positions in the NRL, including chief operating officer. Doyle was also New Zealand Rugby League CEO between 2009 and 2012.

Having been both inside and outside the tent, Doyle has no doubts about sentiment within the NRL.

“You hear it all the time — the NRL don’t want the Warriors to win and that sort of thing,” Doyle told the Herald. “But I can tell you for sure, after working at the NRL at the highest level and then going to the Warriors, I can guarantee you that the NRL are desperate for the Warriors to win the premiership.

“The NRL has got no influence, obviously, over who wins the premiership, but if you ask the NRL who they would prefer 99 per cent of people there will say the Warriors.”

That’s because of the far-reaching impact — commercially and otherwise — that sustained positive results would bring.

“A successful Warriors team means more kids will play rugby league in New Zealand and more corporates want to get behind the sport,” said Doyle. “The ripple effect of the Warriors doing well would be big and the NRL know that.”

Doyle added that another benefit would be increased viewership, which could lead to a better television deal on this side of the Tasman, while success could also drive the argument for a second New Zealand-based club, which would improve pathways and development for all teams.

“It’s the complete opposite,” said Doyle. “The NRL want the Warriors to be successful — not to not be successful.”

Doyle assures he isn’t taking a rose-tinted approach.

During his Mt Smart tenure he admits there were times he was frustrated with refereeing decisions or felt the club had been treated unfairly on the field or at the judiciary.

“When you are focused on one team, when you are losing games, you feel like things are going against you,” said Doyle. “But I knew that it wasn’t any conspiracy theory, it was just the rub of the green. Because I had been at the NRL – and I knew all the people really well – when things were going against you, even though you felt that everything was against you I never felt they wanted us to lose and were doing it on purpose. I knew that wasn’t the case.”


Doyle is also sceptical of the idea of an unconscious bias in favour of the heavyweight clubs and star players, which supposedly goes against more unfashionable teams.

“It feels like that, because the lesser teams lose games,” said Doyle. “Some of the big teams get bad decisions against them but they still win the game. Whereas the teams that are not winning, unfortunately, they can get some bad decisions against them as well but because they lose the game it compounds that.”

Doyle cited examples of bigger teams that overcome a bad decision, whereas the sides near the bottom have smaller margins.

“That bad decision can take them from just winning to just losing,” said Doyle.

Another former Warriors boss, Wayne Scurrah, took a similar view.

“I admire Jason Paris and his support of the club but as Andrew Webster and the players have said, you just have to take the odd rough call on the chin and learn to win regardless of those 50-50 calls,” said Scurrah, who was in the top job between 2005-2014.

“Generally, when we were at our best and our coach and players were at their best, we would find a way to win.

“Across eight games every weekend people can pick out calls that could have gone either way. You just need to get past it – you need to park them.”

Scurrah added that the Warriors’ success during his tenure “meant a lot” to the NRL.

“They loved it when the Warriors were going well and when we had all three teams in the finals in 2011 it was massive commercially. They know that when the Warriors succeed the sport throughout Australasia benefits as well.”

I agree with Jim about 50/50 call appearing to favour the big teams because they can recover from the bad/have the ability to benefit from the good.

And while the NRL May recognise the longer term benefit of a strong Warriors, unfortunately the game isn’t managed for the long term benefit of rugby league; unfortunately it is run with too large a focus on the short-term interests of commercial stakeholders, the most important of which seems to be Australian media.

If I was a Warriors fan I would be complaining about the travel, which makes it so difficult for the team to be consistent week to week. A scenario where the team travels to Australia and then home, and then back to Australia in the space of 11 days is appalling management of the draw.
 

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