Gasnier conspiracy - notice to Ian Schubert

[Feej]

i think more the worry is the talk of the dragons moving beau scott back into the centres and making a big play for gallen:

dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/mark-gasnier-to-be-replaced-by-gallen/story-e6frexnr-1226094397696

are gaz & gallen worth the same?

You sick, sick bastard! :crazy:

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

With a salary cap in place then situations like this should see the contract on the books of the team in question until it expires. This might be coincidental now but in the future could be very deliberate.

 

[docbrown]

Investigate what? Themselves? The NRL and Schubert sanctioned the contract when submitted. Gaz said he wanted to play until he won a premiership. Just so happens he did that a couple of months later.

Well not much they can do about it now, but surely you can see that this sets a precedent for clubs to purchase big name players for pennies on the eve of their retirement with no intention of seeing out the contract.

Those players can always be compensated post-career with cushy club jobs. It will be interesting to see what role Gasnier has with the Dragons now.

If this isn't their intent, then Gasnier would have no problem with NRL preventing the Dragons or their Sponsors from paying him post-career.

 

[Fingerbang]

With a salary cap in place then situations like this should see the contract on the books of the team in question until it expires. This might be coincidental now but in the future could be very deliberate.

And how would Tigers be expected to field a team next season if they have the 7 or so contracted players they cut still under their cap for 2012? And wasn't Miles still under contract with you guys for 2012?

 

[Dragon Jim]

If he knew he was always going to retire (his own words), then he had no intention of fulfilling the contract and it was to the Dragon's advantage over their competitors.

That to me is a cause for investigation.

Keep in mind though that the Dragons could have blocked Gasnier playing with any other club for another couple of years anyway.

They had no other advantage over other teams other than being in a position to block his move elsewhere.

So in this case, your theory wouldnt stack up. Other cases possibly, but not in this one

 

[docbrown]

Keep in mind though that the Dragons could have blocked Gasnier playing with any other club for another couple of years anyway.

They had no other advantage over other teams other than being in a position to block his move elsewhere.

So in this case, your theory wouldnt stack up. Other cases possibly, but not in this one

That still doesn't justify why the Dragons should be allowed to purchase him on the cheap and get around the salary cap.

It specifically enables the Dragons to have more playing power than other teams. Surely you can see how it's designed to exploit the cap.

 

[Fingerbang]

Well not much they can do about it now, but surely you can see that this sets a precedent for clubs to purchase big name players for pennies on the eve of their retirement with no intention of seeing out the contract.

Those players can always be compensated post-career with cushy club jobs. It will be interesting to see what role Gasnier has with the Dragons now.

If this isn't their intent, then Gasnier would have no problem with NRL preventing the Dragons or their Sponsors from paying him post-career.

So when you leave your job.....you'd be happy to walk into another with no pay? What he does post retirement has nothing to do with his playing contract. Where are all the calls for Lockyer and Broncos being investigated for that exact thing....the highly paid coaching job he is going to take up as payback for all the years earning $250k whilst playing.

 

[Fingerbang]

That still doesn't justify why the Dragons should be allowed to purchase him on the cheap and get around the salary cap.

It specifically enables the Dragons to have more playing power than other teams. Surely you can see how it's designed to exploit the cap.

Legally too, I might add. Why don't they (NRL) ban all backended contracts then? I don't have a problem with that.

 

[betcats]

That still doesn't justify why the Dragons should be allowed to purchase him on the cheap and get around the salary cap.

It specifically enables the Dragons to have more playing power than other teams. Surely you can see how it's designed to exploit the cap.

All back ended contracts give this advantage though. Maybe the NRL should look at a limit on how much you can back end a contract, if there is not already one.

 

[Beavo]

Notice to Beavo: Putting "notice to Ian Schubert" in your title achieves nothing. This forum is not Schubert's inbox.

As for the conspiracy, Gasnier may have just had enough. He will never be as good as he was in his peak, and as a competitor at the highest level, he probably has too much pride to run around as an above average to good centre for the the next three years after being a superstar earlier in his career. Besides that, he won a grand final last year, and next year Saints will be transitioning to a new coach, and consequently adapting to the new coaches structure and system.

Who can blame an older guy who has already done these readjustments plenty of times, from wanting to do it again?

Oh, it's not Ian Schubert's mailbox...? My bad, I thought this was his direct contact point....

It's a headline you clown.

Absolutely, he may have just had enough and you can't blame a guy for walking away when the time is right, but I've simply just bought up a very valid point.

 

[docbrown]

So when you leave your job.....you'd be happy to walk into another with no pay?

There's nothing forcing Gasnier to work at the Dragons for no pay. He can get a job anywhere else on his own volition.

The only reason he'd get a job at the Dragons is because that's how they intend on paying him back outside the salary cap.

What he does post retirement has nothing to do with his playing contract.

Read above.

Where are all the calls for Lockyer and Broncos being investigated for that exact thing....the highly paid coaching job he is going to take up as payback for all the years earning $250k whilst playing.

I agree. I think it's a loophole that needs to be addressed.

In these particular cases, there's not much you can do because the rules are what they are. But honestly, it needs to be investigated to prevent it happening in the future.

Legally too, I might add. Why don't they (NRL) ban all backended contracts then? I don't have a problem with that.

Neither do I.

It's just the case of when the player gets paid little during their playing career (because they never reach the end of their contract) - but then walks into a cushy club job.

All back ended contracts give this advantage though. Maybe the NRL should look at a limit on how much you can back end a contract, if there is not already one.

I believe there's a % requirement of the total contract in each year of said contract.

 

[RHCP]

Gasnier came back to win a premiership.

He won it in his first year.

Goal achieved, career done.

What's so sinister about that?

 

[Willow]

Most people here are just making stuff up.

Wasn't the NRL unhappy that he was being paid too little

No.

Surely you can see how it's designed to exploit the cap.

Is that a corruption claim or are you just asking the question? I trust you are aware that an employer and employee can choose to terminate a contract legally and without fuss, as long as both parties agree.

With a salary cap in place then situations like this should see the contract on the books of the team in question until it expires. This might be coincidental now but in the future could be very deliberate.

Not possible under the current rules, and hardly practical. Are you suggesting that back-ended contracts be made illegal?

 

[docbrown]

Is that a corruption claim or are you just asking the question? I trust you are aware that an employer and employee can choose to terminate a contract legally and without fuss, as long as both parties agree.

Of course they can.

But the question I ask - are the dragons or their sponsors going to give Gasnier a job?

If so, in my opinion, that is a dangerous salary cap loophole. Other clubs will pay stars peanuts, fail to complete contracts under the salary cap but pay them post-career with a title-only job.

 

[M2D2]

High/low & low/high contracts are part of any professional sport.
Im not claiming the dragons/Gaz have done anything wrong (despite how much i WANT to.) YET. If he comes back under a $1 contract. THEN and ONLY THEN. Do i have a problem with it.
If he legit, if he actually IS retiring. Then theres nothing sinister about it at all.

 

[madunit]

gee, some of you guys are looking for shit that isn't there.

Occasionally in life some people find family more important than occupation that they have achieved everything in before turning 30.

Good luck to him.

If the contract was heavily backended, then there's nothing to worry about.

 

[MightyBronco]

Occasionally in life some people find family more important

"Hannah, where the f--- are you? There's four toey humans in the cab. It's twenty to four. Our c**ks are fat and f------ ready to spurt sauce and you're in bed. F--- me. Fire up, you sad c---."

 

[Fingerbang]

All before he was married and a dad. Next.....

 

[bluey]

gee, some of you guys are looking for shit that isn't there.

Occasionally in life some people find family more important than occupation that they have achieved everything in before turning 30.

Good luck to him.

If the contract was heavily backended, then there's nothing to worry about.

At the very least the NRL have to come out and explain how it is considered not a breach be transparent.

 

[Fingerbang]

gee, some of you guys are looking for shit that isn't there.

Occasionally in life some people find family more important than occupation that they have achieved everything in before turning 30.

Good luck to him.

If the contract was heavily backended, then there's nothing to worry about.

It is all bhp's fault.....little b*tch just itching for some shit to stick to the Dragons, like the stairs in that hotel stairwell.