General Discussion Thread

[WestyLife]

Brooks is off to Manly lol.

Good decision. He was never the tigers problem and he'll learn a lot with dce.

 

[snickers007]

Good decision. He was never the tigers problem and he'll learn a lot with dce.

Manly should improve too - he's much better than Schuster

 

[Iamback]

Manly should improve too - he's much better than Schuster

It does beg the question if Schuster will follow through and leave if he isn't 6

 

[WestyLife]

It does beg the question if Schuster will follow through and leave if he isn't 6

Would anyone take him at 6 considering his apparent fitness issues. Guy is a ball playing forward.

 

[soc123_au]

Would anyone take him at 6 considering his apparent fitness issues. Guy is a ball playing forward.

Did Manly sign him long term on spine money? I recall there were noises he rated himself as a million dollar a year man, but don't know if that was around a new contract. 500k tops as an edge would be all I'd want to pay and even then it's a risk, even if he was 100% committed to playing that role. If he even spoke about getting the 6 during negotiations I'd tell him to tell his story walking.

 

[WestyLife]

Did Manly sign him long term on spine money? I recall there were noises he rated himself as a million dollar a year man, but don't know if that was around a new contract. 500k tops as an edge would be all I'd want to pay and even then it's a risk, even if he was 100% committed to playing that role. If he even spoke about getting the 6 during negotiations I'd tell him to tell his story walking.

Like you I remember some talk about big money but no idea if he's really on it. The fact Manly signed Brooks makes me think it was all media talk though.

 

[age.s]

Get Schuster over here. Ivan will sort him out.

 

[Chins get the wins]

Get Schuster over here. Ivan will sort him out.

f**k no not this one

 

[Munky]

Schuster makes Bryce Cartwright look like Shane Webke in commitment.

 

[WestyLife]

Schuster makes Bryce Cartwright look like Shane Webke in commitment.

So lazy he'd probably die if he came here.

 

[Chins get the wins]

Schuster makes Bryce Cartwright look like Shane Webke in commitment.

I'd rather bring Bryce home, he's been going ok

 

[John Hamblin]

Just a thought Parra's attack has been on fire recently. Trent Barrett must be doing a good job

 

[Iamback]

Would anyone take him at 6 considering his apparent fitness issues. Guy is a ball playing forward.

That is his spot, He thinks otherwise

 

[Iamback]

Did Manly sign him long term on spine money? I recall there were noises he rated himself as a million dollar a year man, but don't know if that was around a new contract. 500k tops as an edge would be all I'd want to pay and even then it's a risk, even if he was 100% committed to playing that role. If he even spoke about getting the 6 during negotiations I'd tell him to tell his story walking.

According to the Top 100. He is getting halves money

$800k

Yeo $750k
Luai $680k

according to the same list

 

[martielang]

Just a thought Parra's attack has been on fire recently. Trent Barrett must be doing a good job

A lot of people shit on Barrett but our attack was at its best (by a margin) when he was our attack coach.

 

[Hooked]

A lot of people shit on Barrett but our attack was at its best (by a margin) when he was our attack coach.

I don't shit on Barrett, but there is not much difference in points averaged in the regular season between him and Webster.
The draw is never even. Sometimes you get two games against the cellar dwellers. Other times one.
Both did a good job as attack coach.
Barrett change the attacking structure and Webster did his own tweaks.

Before Barrett
2019 17.2 points averaged.

2020 averaged 26.8 from 20 games (Barrett)
2021 averaged from 28.1 from 24 games (Webster )
2022 averaged from 24 games.26.5

2023 atm averaging 24.2


2020 was wild with disruptions with Covid. No Origin during the season either.

 

[Fangs]

I don't shit on Barrett, but there is not much difference in points averaged in the regular season between him and Webster.
The draw is never even. Sometimes you get two games against the cellar dwellers. Other times one.
Both did a good job as attack coach.
Barrett change the attacking structure and Webster did his own tweaks.

Before Barrett
2019 17.2 points averaged.

2020 averaged 26.8 from 20 games (Barrett)
2021 averaged from 28.1 from 24 games (Webster )
2022 averaged from 24 games.26.5

2023 atm averaging 24.2


2020 was wild with disruptions with Covid. No Origin during the season either.

Don't forget 2020 saw the introduction of the set restart rule as well.

Baz definitely had assistant written all over him. Whe he takes the helm his results aren't too pretty.

 

[Fangs]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/penrith-coach-ivan-cleary-says-nsw-players-cop-more-than-their-qld-counterparts/news-story/26f09e7ed5eb4cdce5479cc07c3fe66c

Penrith coach Ivan Cleary has put the mental toll State of Origin takes on players on the agenda as he prepares to reinclude a raft of NSW stars who sat out his team’s last-start victory over Newcastle.

Cleary is moving away from the “must-play after Origin” notion and did so this year by resting his players even though the Panthers didn’t have the “luxury” of a clear ladder advantage despite his team sitting on top ahead of a trip to Melbourne to face the Storm this Friday.

“All the guys will do it and that’s part of the history and culture of Origin, that you back up for your club,” he said.

“But we talk about how hard it is on five-day turnarounds yet guys are backing up two, three days after the hardest game of the year and not just physically hard, it’s the emotional too, particularly if you lose.

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While I'm surprised by the sudden change in opinion I welcome it. I've felt the same way about Origin for a long time now.

The last statement resonates with me quite a bit. Often we look at minutes played and assume those with a lower workload can just do the short turnaround. However its not just the physicality that matters. Its mentally draining on the players and apart from playing a grand final it probably doesn't get any harder when playing the sport.

Add in the World Cup and WCC this year, a shortened pre-season. It starts to take its toll at some point even with a young squad.

 

[WestyLife]

He clearly isn't worried about being a half and no way he's on crazy money.

 

[snickers007]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/penrith-coach-ivan-cleary-says-nsw-players-cop-more-than-their-qld-counterparts/news-story/26f09e7ed5eb4cdce5479cc07c3fe66c

While I'm surprised by the sudden change in opinion I welcome it. I've felt the same way about Origin for a long time now.

The last statement resonates with me quite a bit. Often we look at minutes played and assume those with a lower workload can just do the short turnaround. However its not just the physicality that matters. Its mentally draining on the players and apart from playing a grand final it probably doesn't get any harder when playing the sport.

Add in the World Cup and WCC this year, a shortened pre-season. It starts to take its toll at some point even with a young squad.

It's a valid point regardless of the bias that may be driving it. The elite of the elite absolutely hate losing and take it very personally. That mental load can manifest in strange ways if left unmanaged.

Conversely, those in the winning team can often ride the wave back into club-land. Cowboys were very hot and cold in the build up to Origin - and have since won 3 from 3 against Melbourne, Penrith and Souths.

Now let's watch the same people who praise Ricky Stuart for defending his players so vehemently chastise Ivan Cleary and label him a whinger for doing the same.