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Dodgy

Juniors
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Sitting on top of the ladder, won the last two NRL premierships and every division last season. But it's the social media team that's the best team at the club. This is hilarious!


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Munky

Coach
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12,223
ChatGPT knows that Yeoweh is the best halfback in the NRL.

Chooses to play in the forwards to keep the league competitive.
 

Blues Riff

Bench
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3,351
I seem to remember reading that the Burtons got a visit from the laundry man just before Matt signed with the Dogs.
Nothing suss there.
 

Goonji

Juniors
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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/to...-join-pantheon-of-greats-20230713-p5dny5.html

Top of the mountain: Why Penrith are perfectly placed to join pantheon of greats

ByDan Walsh


July 15, 2023 — 6.30pm

NRL

“Oh yeah” was Steve Renouf’s understandable response when Brisbane chief executive John Ribot sat him and several more senior Broncos players down one Friday night in Wollongong.

The chance to earn “three times as much in a different competition called Super League” was first put to the star centre midway through 1994, when Brisbane’s bid for a third straight title was stuck in second gear as they were trounced by a no-frills Illawarra side.

Like the Roosters with the pandemic and a stunning injury toll in 2020, and Canberra’s 1991 salary cap breach and millions of dollars of debt that threatened to send the club into liquidation, the Broncos had a bit going on in 1994.

To put it plainly, in 2023, Penrith don’t.

An NRL season can hang on a halfback’s hamstring, and Nathan Cleary’s injury has been the biggest story to date this year out west. Even so, their prized playmaker is back either this week against the Dolphins or the next against Canterbury.

“Bookmakers have never been generous mate, but you still won’t get a better price than that,” Eels champion Mick Cronin says with a laugh when told Penrith are paying $2.80 to emulate Parramatta’s trio of titles from 1981 to 1983.

“They’re your favourites and deserve to be, absolutely. They’ve lost a few [players], like every team does, but they haven’t missed a beat. They’ve replaced them because their depth is very strong and that’s a marker of a strong club.”

The Roosters of 2020 lost Cooper Cronk (retirement) and Latrell Mitchell (South Sydney) after their second premiership, though added Brett Morris (and later brother Josh), Angus Crichton and briefly, Sonny Bill Williams, to offset other key departures from their roster.

Anticipated bloodletting from Canberra’s cap breach followed the Raiders for months in 1991, right through to the 19-12 grand final loss to Penrith.

Eventually, Glenn Lazarus (Brisbane), David Barnhill (St George), Brent Todd (Gold Coast) and Nigel Gaffey (Roosters) did leave. But only after widespread pay cuts kept rivals from poaching the likes of Mal Meninga, Laurie Daley, Ricky Stuart, Brad Clyde and rising star Brett Mullins.

Stuart joked he wanted to stay in Canberra and “continue eating the best cooking in the world, my mum’s”, but Meninga has previously described that campaign as “the most turbulent year of my career”.

Somewhere in the middle of those rolling post-premiership overhauls sits this Penrith side, farewelling key figures Api Koroisau, Viliame Kikau and Matt Burton a year earlier, while slowly but surely adjusting their playing style given Koroisau’s influence at dummy half.

Like Parramatta 40 years ago, a core of crucial players – that one day may compare to Sterling, Cronin, Kenny, Price, Edge, Grothe and Ella – remains.

“I think we actually had a pretty settled roster in ’94,” Renouf says of a Broncos side that lost only Terry Matterson from the 1993 grand final team.

“It was a bit of complacency for us back then. We got a bit high on all the media and press, and just never got going, lost games we should have won.

“The Super League stuff was in the background by then and given ’93 was such a big, draining run [Brisbane were the first side to win the grand final after finishing in fifth place], that premiership was such a relief compared to ’92, when we thought we were unbeatable. I think we got lost in our own hype by 1994.”

No such signs yet for the Chocolate Soldiers in 2023.

Defence has been the bedrock of Penrith’s premiership run under Ivan Cleary and, at various points in the past three years, has ranked among the best records in rugby league history.

Efforts without the ball have always been the most accurate barometer of where a team’s head is at. In 2023, Penrith remain streets ahead of the pack.

Conceding just 12.75 points a game going in to round 20, the Panthers are well in front of the next best defensive side Brisbane (17.47 points a game). In the NRL era, the gap between the two best defensive sides has never been larger.

“You don’t need those stats to know that, just look at how they play,” Cronin says. “They’re off their line every week and then, in big games, they just go to another level. That’s what wins you grand finals and that’s why they’re so hard to beat.

“At Parra, we could attack and score more points than anyone else, and this Penrith team has ability with the ball, too. But Jack Gibson’s theory – and it’s pretty simple – is that for 40 minutes of a game, you have to defend. You’re going to be tackling for half the game, so make it a strength.”

And while Cleary’s hamstring could still prove as influential as anything premiership rivals Brisbane, Souths and Melbourne throw at Penrith, the Panthers have largely been fighting fit all season.

Taylan May (ACL) will be the only absentee from their first-choice 17 when Cleary returns, and May has been ably replaced by Sunia Turuva.

The Raiders of ’91 (Daley, Clyde, Lazarus and Gary Belcher), Broncos of ’94 (Lazarus again, Willie Carne, Gavin Allan, Chris Johns and the Walters brothers, Kerrod and Kevin), and Roosters in 2020 (Boyd Cordner, Victor Radley, Angus Crichton and Daniel Tupou) all lost key personnel for lengthy stints throughout those seasons.

Penrith, meanwhile, have used only 25 players (equal least with Cronulla) to date, even with their usual Origin contingent needing to be replaced mid-season.

Maybe Cronin is right about that $2.80 price for another Panthers premiership. It could well be the best you find.

With Origin in the rearview mirror and two months left in the regular season, they’re as well placed as any side in 40 years to secure three titles on the trot.
 

Fangs

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Sharks have finally promoted Conor Tracey to the starting side. Talakai has been benched. Long overdue and should have been made earlier in the season. Trindall for Moylan has plenty of upside as well.

I don't think it stops the Sharks fall from grace however. 6th through to 10th will be extremely close IMO and while they have a decent F/A things can change pretty quickly.
 

Munky

Coach
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Sharks have finally promoted Conor Tracey to the starting side. Talakai has been benched. Long overdue and should have been made earlier in the season. Trindall for Moylan has plenty of upside as well.

I don't think it stops the Sharks fall from grace however. 6th through to 10th will be extremely close IMO and while they have a decent F/A things can change pretty quickly.

Even if they finish top 8 they'll be 5th to 8th which are only in the finals to have more games for TV money.
 

Goonji

Juniors
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This story from the Sydney Morning Herald​

Better than Lego: Why Penrith have become the NRL’s super team

Andrew Webster

Chief Sports Writer

July 31, 2023

This isn’t supposed to happen. None of it. The system doesn’t allow teams to defend a premiership, let alone win three in a row.

The salary cap is a greased pole. Just when a team thinks it has reached the top, it slides back down again. It rewards the bad and punishes the good.

The Penrith Panthers host the Cronulla Sharks in Round 22 of the 2023 NRL Premiership.

If there’s one thing Penrith have shown us in the last few years, it’s that the system can be beaten — by having a better system of your own.

They won’t say it publicly but, internally, the Panthers liken how they go about their business to a game of Lego.

The players are the pieces. If one piece is removed because of injury, suspension or a better offer from another club, it’s quickly replaced with a piece that might be a slightly different colour but not shape, slotting neatly into place.

Since beating Souths in the 2021 grand final, the Panthers have lost two big-name players a season along with many quality back-up and fringe first-graders who provide essential depth in a gruelling seven-month competition.

At the end of 2021, they lost Matt Burton and Kurt Capewell. At the end of 2022, it was Viliame Kikau and Api Koroisau. At the end of 2023, it will be Stephen Crichton and Spencer Leniu.

No club – not even Melbourne — has haemorrhaged players like that and continued to dwarf the opposition.

There is no such thing as a sure thing in rugby league, but the chances of Penrith claiming their third premiership — the first side to do so since the iconic Parramatta teams of 1981-83 — is close to it.

Saturday night’s 28-0 shutout of Cronulla at BlueBet Stadium again proved this is the closest competition in years … for second.

In his second match back from a hamstring tear, halfback Nathan Cleary kicked the Sharks to death, nailing 40-20s and sideline conversions along with his arsenal of short and long kicks in general play.

Take a player of that calibre out of most sides and they’d struggle. Look at how Souths perform when fullback Latrell Mitchell is injured.

But at Penrith, Cleary’s six-match absence barely caused a ripple.

When he suffered the tear in the first half against St George Illawarra on June 9, an unassuming piece of Lego in the form of Jack Cogger clicked into place.

Seconds before half-time, Cogger placed an inch-perfect cross-field kick straight into the arms of winger Brian To’o, who scored in the corner. Cleary couldn’t have done it better himself.

“I’ve trained there all week,” Cogger said matter-of-factly as he left the field at half-time. “I know my job, I know what I have to do.”

Mitch Kenny is another important brick this season, replacing Koroisau. They are entirely different players, but it didn’t take long for Kenny to find his place; his versatility gives the Panthers an additional middle forward when needed.

Kikau’s move to the Bulldogs threatened to leave a yawning gap on the left edge.

Luke Garner was identified as his replacement and started the season there before injury struck. Coach Ivan Cleary finally settled on Scott Sorensen, who is also different to Kikau but just as lethal at times, offloading, breaking tackles and sniffing out the occasional try.

Former Penrith general manager of football Phil Gould deserves some credit for setting up the system, but there are several Lego masters behind the scenes responsible for the club’s sustained success.

With their sprawling junior nursery, Penrith will always be a development club, but high-performance manager Matt Cameron has also made them a retention club.

It will always be tough to keep players like Burton, Kikau and Koroisau when rival clubs are offering as much as $200,000 a season more, but the stability and quality of what they’ve built at Penrith means many players are willing to stay for less.

Back-rower Liam Martin recently re-signed, fullback Dylan Edwards is about to extend and Penrith are confident they can keep Jarome Luai despite misleading reports that he’s not a priority.

A sign of a great club is the improvement in their players. Nathan Cleary’s last two back-ups — Sean O’Sullivan and Cogger — started on development contracts of $80,000. Sullivan went to the Dolphins on a three-year deal while Cogger is being circled by rival clubs, desperate to make him their starting No.7.

Meanwhile, players like centre Tyrone Peachey returned from the Wests Tigers this season on less money and re-signed for 2024 for less money again. Charlie Staines will also return to Penrith after one season at the Tigers for less money.

(Yes, this probably says more about the Tigers than Penrith but you catch my drift).

The person most responsible for dismantling the Panthers’ squad has been Gould, who is now the Bulldogs general manager of football.

If you didn’t know any better, you’d think he was trying to tear down what he built before his departure in April 2019 given the raft of players he’s lured to Belmore.

The Panthers are neither concerned nor paranoid about Gould. If anything, they understand it: he knows what talent is available at Penrith, as does rookie coach Cameron Ciraldo, a former assistant to Ivan Cleary until this year.

They are taking Gould’s public declarations in their stride, too.

While most concede this is Penrith’s premiership to lose, Gould said on Channel Nine last week they should win the next six.

Was he putting pressure on his old club? Was he putting pressure on Ivan Cleary, with whom he fell out?

Or was he just sending a message to the Bulldogs board to trust him given the part he played in Penrith’s sustained success?

Either way, Penrith have the same feel about them as the Parramatta teams they are trying to emulate.

The game is unrecognisable to what it looked like in the 1980s, not least the salary cap.

But if there’s one comparison that can be made between the Eels of the early ’80s and the Panthers of the early 2020s, it’s the chemistry between the players.

The Eels were the greatest of mates, winning premierships and dominating the dance floor at Parramatta Leagues. Apart from the St George teams of the 1950s and 1960s, few teams have remained closer than those Parramatta sides, united by their achievements and mateship.

There’s a similar camaraderie among these Panthers, many of whom have played together since they were juniors. Now they’re defying the system, climbing the greasy pole to collect premierships.

It’s so good. Dare we say it, it’s better than Lego.

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Iamback

Referee
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All media are now wakening up to Soni not being in our best 17. The Guru has rode his dick on Kempys podcast allll year. Even they are off him

Kennedy's injury shows that the bench needs to be more versatile.

It could work if he was getting 30 mins or something but how it is now
 

Kilkenny

Coach
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All media are now wakening up to Soni not being in our best 17. The Guru has rode his dick on Kempys podcast allll year. Even they are off him
It doesn’t matter what the media think and it matters even less what some think on here, it’s is what the brains trust think is best.

I think , my opinion only, given the way Luke has been used so sparsely , our bench would be stronger by having Peachy as the 14. If Kenny needs a break for 10-15 then Peachy could probably to a decent enough job and provide additional cover for other positions.
 
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