General off season footy/sport/current affairs chatter

[Poupou Escobar]

Considering the people in this part of the world are concerned more with survival than any vague notions of equality I reckon you're wrong.

Some of my friends have worked closely with Pashtun women in Afghanistan, and nationalism is just as strong in these women as in the men. The women in Afghanistan (like people anywhere) want to feel safe and prosperous, and for women in poor and violent places that depends directly on the safety and prosperity of their husbands and sons.

Do you think they'd prefer gender equality at the expense of their ethnic group being impoverished and disenfranchised in their own country? Because that's the choice they're facing.

It's really not as simple as armchair critics like yourself make it out to be.

 

[Twizzle]

Some of the ideas put forth in there are certainly at odds with most Western postmodern value systems.

they are also at odds with with alot of the other ideas put forward in that publication that is used to brainwash our kids

 

[Suitman]

Considering the people in this part of the world are concerned more with survival than any vague notions of equality I reckon you're wrong.

Some of my friends have worked closely with Pashtun women in Afghanistan, and nationalism is just as strong in these women as in the men. The women in Afghanistan (like people anywhere) want to feel safe and prosperous, and for women in poor and violent places that depends directly on the safety and prosperity of their husbands and sons.

Do you think they'd prefer gender equality at the expense of their ethnic group being impoverished and disenfranchised in their own country? Because that's the choice they're facing.

It's really not as simple as armchair critics like yourself make it out to be.

That's the problem with opinion in this country PP.
There are so many ignorant Australians whose opinions are formed by the shock tactics of the media. I'm in the building industry and am surrounded by them. It's amazing how many blokes turn up with radios and the first thing they do is put on Alan Jones. FMD.
When horrible disaster's happen like what happened to those 200 boat people on Sunday, the general opinion is "Good. Who cares?"
People have no idea of the desperate plight these people have to try and live a peaceful life. Nope, they're all potential terrorists apparantly.

Go figure?

Suity

Disclaimer: I don't think Gronk is one of them.

 

[TheRam]

If it was up to me I'd blow up N.Korea and all of the middle east. Bunch of f**kwits.

What are you on about ME? If it were up to me I'd blow up every parliament house in the world. Bunch of f**kwits.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

they are also at odds with with alot of the other ideas put forward in that publication that is used to brainwash our kids

Yeah tv and video games are much better for them.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Nope, they're all potential terrorists apparantly.

I think people are more concerned about increased competition for resources than whether or not these people are terrorists.

If we're going to become victims of violence it's far more likely going to be at the hands of a home-grown male in his early 20s fuelled by alienation, a sense of entitlement and alcohol. Must be all the positive role models that fill the gap when you take away the rights and responsibilities of fatherhood.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

I'd flatten the whole middle east and turn it into Australia. The world would be better for it.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah Australians are tops.

 

[IFR33K]

If it was up to me I'd blow up N.Korea and all of the middle east. Bunch of f**kwits.

I don't think you need to worry about the middle east. They may just blow themselves up, with the amount of terrorists and mad merkins they have.

Not to forget, they will get 70 virgins in heaven.

 

[Avenger]

That's the problem with opinion in this country PP.
There are so many ignorant Australians whose opinions are formed by the shock tactics of the media. I'm in the building industry and am surrounded by them. It's amazing how many blokes turn up with radios and the first thing they do is put on Alan Jones. FMD.
When horrible disaster's happen like what happened to those 200 boat people on Sunday, the general opinion is "Good. Who cares?"
People have no idea of the desperate plight these people have to try and live a peaceful life. Nope, they're all potential terrorists apparantly.

Go figure?

Suity

Disclaimer: I don't think Gronk is one of them.

They should still get in line. The legal one. My folks ran from communism and did it. Helped with the Snowy Mountains scheme whilst getting used to this great country.

 

[Twizzle]

Yeah tv and video games are much better for them.

I'm not aware of that publication.

Please enlighten me.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm not aware of that publication.

Please enlighten me.

That's just it - there is nothing.

That's why people don't know how to act. It's called 'anomie'.

 

[Twizzle]

who says that dont know how to act ?

I never let my kids near that publication and they turned out all right, they know right from wrong with out being brainwashed

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How do they know abstract concepts like 'right' and 'wrong' without having been brainwashed?

What is your childrens' position on abortion, for example? And why have they adopted that position?

 

[Twizzle]

what ever their position is I'm not going into here as I believe that is irrelevant, but its is their opinion that they have been able to form and not an opinion they they have been brainwashed into believing

 

[Poupou Escobar]

what ever their position is I'm not going into here as I believe that is irrelevant, but its is their opinion that they have been able to form and not an opinion they they have been brainwashed into believing

How do you know they haven't been brainwashed though?

Considering there are only two positions on abortion - anti-life and anti-choice - I reckon anyone who strongly supports either position has been 'brainwashed' by one ideology or another. There are plenty out there; and most of them don't like it when somebody believes differently to them.

The fact is, the way modern governments enforce rules and norms through the education and judicial systems is no different to how any society throughout history has 'brainwashed' its members.

However your use of the term 'brainwashing' is both erroneous and dishonest. True brainwashing is very different from the way children are socialised into societies, though I understand why you would want to use the term - you don't like religion and you want to portray it in a negative light. In this way you are trying to 'brainwash' others into seeing religion the same way you do.

Interestingly, the first recorded instance of actual brainwashing was used by the Chinese during the Korean War. As shown by the Communists of the second half of last century, when people are freed from religion they treat other human beings wonderfully. :roll:

 

[sportive cupid]

Considering the people in this part of the world are concerned more with survival than any vague notions of equality I reckon you're wrong.

Some of my friends have worked closely with Pashtun women in Afghanistan, and nationalism is just as strong in these women as in the men. The women in Afghanistan (like people anywhere) want to feel safe and prosperous, and for women in poor and violent places that depends directly on the safety and prosperity of their husbands and sons.

Do you think they'd prefer gender equality at the expense of their ethnic group being impoverished and disenfranchised in their own country? Because that's the choice they're facing.


It's really not as simple as armchair critics like yourself make it out to be.

Hmmmm... Considering that women produce over 50 % of the world food and over 80 % in some sub Saharan African nations- and women bear the main responsibility for the health education and wellbeing of families( according to that outdated organization the UN).Yet,at the same time less that 1% of the world land - I think you friends might not know as much as they think.
Gender equality is more essential to the world economy and it's people than the very middle class concepts of maternity leave for white women in Australia.

 

[TheRam]

How do you know they haven't been brainwashed though?

Considering there are only two positions on abortion - anti-life and anti-choice - I reckon anyone who strongly supports either position has been 'brainwashed' by one ideology or another. There are plenty out there; and most of them don't like it when somebody believes differently to them.

The fact is, the way modern governments enforce rules and norms through the education and judicial systems is no different to how any society throughout history has 'brainwashed' its members.

However your use of the term 'brainwashing' is both erroneous and dishonest. True brainwashing is very different from the way children are socialised into societies, though I understand why you would want to use the term - you don't like religion and you want to portray it in a negative light. In this way you are trying to 'brainwash' others into seeing religion the same way you do.

Interestingly, the first recorded instance of actual brainwashing was used by the Chinese during the Korean War. As shown by the Communists of the second half of last century, when people are freed from religion they treat other human beings wonderfully. :roll:

What a load of crap.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hmmmm... Considering that women produce over 50 % of the world food and over 80 % in some sub Saharan African nations an women bear the main responsibility for the health education and wellbeing of families( according to that outdated organization the UN) Yetnown less that 1% of the world land I think you friends might not know as much as they think.

What do women in the rest of the world have to do with women in Afghanistan?

Rural Afghan women (i.e. nearly all Pashtuns) do not grow crops. I have done foot patrols there and you never see them outside their homes. That's not to say they don't go outside - they are ushered inside when we approach the village because not only are we there to steal their resources and destroy their culture, but we want to rape their women as well. So they tell each other anyway.

I'm not saying they're not oppressed, but rural Pashtuns (i.e. most of them) are extremely ignorant, and just like the men, Pashtun women don't see themselves as individuals separate from their society. Or rather, they don't consider individualism as particularly important when there are more pressing issues like survival.

Pashtun women just want to feed their families and keep them safe. Same as the men. To be honest, I don't really get what the point of your post was. You threw out some vague stats you got from the U.N. and failed to explain how it applies to Afghanistan.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What a load of crap.

Yeah sarcasm. I even included a smiley so you would get it this time.