What's new
The Front Row Forums

Register a free account today to become a member of the world's largest Rugby League discussion forum! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

God shall not be mocked

Who believes in God?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 64.1%
  • No

    Votes: 33 35.9%

  • Total voters
    92
  • Poll closed .

Angry_eel

First Grade
Messages
8,651
Who defines what is right and wrong?

Well certainly not the bible seeing as 3 billion people don't regularly read it. Right and Wrong all depend on a person. Even if people read a religious book they might not follow it when it comes to personal gain or loss.
 

Angry_eel

First Grade
Messages
8,651
Please answer the question.

It depends on the person. Go to China or France or any other state with lots of non-religious people. Right and Wrong depends on the individual. Your actions determine right or wrong which is why eastern religions put an emphasis on Karma.
 

Angry_eel

First Grade
Messages
8,651
Common sense, and the notion of how you would want others to consider and treat you, which in turn instructs your own actions.

F*ck me, we should be intelligent enough not to need an "instruction manual" to tell us this.

Then again, I personally think anyone using a largely unsubstantiated, ever-revised, highly contested, up to two-thousand year old text known as "The Bible" as their sole source of moral instruction, demonstrates insufficient intellectual capacity, and therefore can not be deemed anything loftier than "moronic".

If the Bible was so perfect there would not be 30,000 Christian denominations. All that says to me is that Bible is like any other book. Its all about your opinion. If you have a different opinion and you organise yourself then people will come and join your organisation if they share your opinion.
 

Snoochies

First Grade
Messages
5,634
It depends on the person. Go to China or France or any other state with lots of non-religious people. Right and Wrong depends on the individual. Your actions determine right or wrong which is why eastern religions put an emphasis on Karma.

Thankyou for your honesty. I repsect atheists who can admit morals are relative and based on individual perspective and there are no such thing as moral absolutes. In theory, morals are made up by the human mind with each having their own perspective, so from an atheistic point of view, there is no such thing as right or wrong.
 
Last edited:

Snoochies

First Grade
Messages
5,634
Common sense, and the notion of how you would want others to consider and treat you, which in turn instructs your own actions.

F*ck me, we should be intelligent enough not to need an "instruction manual" to tell us this.

Then again, I personally think anyone using a largely unsubstantiated, ever-revised, highly contested, up to two-thousand year old text known as "The Bible" as their sole source of moral instruction, demonstrates insufficient intellectual capacity, and therefore can not be deemed anything loftier than "moronic".

Sorry mate, didn't realise you replied, my bad.

You and I know both know you don't need a Bible to tell us what is right or wrong. My question is very simple, if there is no God, who defines right and wrong? I am happy for this argument to say there is no God, who then defines what is right and what is wrong. Are there moral absolutes or not?
 

Angry_eel

First Grade
Messages
8,651
Thankyou for your honesty. I repsect atheists who can admit morals are relative and based on individual perspective and there are no such thing as moral absolutes. In theory, morals are made up by the human mind with each having their own perspective, so from an atheistic point of view, there is no such thing as right or wrong.

I would not say there is no such thing. Right and Wrong can be agreed upon by a society. The problem with Religious socities is that they give you no choice, if something is written in the religious book it must be followed. e.g. In India a very religious society, eating meat = wrong especially if you're a hindu, killing cow = very wrong even if you're not a hindu. So the society really doesn't give non-hindus a choice to eat beef. Many states have banned it.
 

yy_cheng

Coach
Messages
18,734
If Muslims believe that suicide bombings is a moral thing to do if it kills their enemies and Christians believe the opposite, then what is right and what is wrong?

Is Allah and the Christian god is the same god?
 

Snoochies

First Grade
Messages
5,634
I would not say there is no such thing. Right and Wrong can be agreed upon by a society. The problem with Religious socities is that they give you no choice, if something is written in the religious book it must be followed. e.g. In India a very religious society, eating meat = wrong especially if you're a hindu, killing cow = very wrong even if you're not a hindu. So the society really doesn't give non-hindus a choice to eat beef. Many states have banned it.


Very true, I see where you are coming from there. I agree some religious society's have a hard stance on certain rules etc etc and although I classify myself a Christian as such, I don't call myself religious.

I like these forums when we can talk to one another trying to understand each others perspective without each trying to put one on top of the other. I was an atheist at one stage too so I know where most people here are coming from and I am very open to the view of an atheist. Truthfully I am a believer in evolution and can see God and evolution working together. I think things work well if both sides are willing to actually listen to one another, and wether we agree or disagree or not does not matter, but I think we can all agree we should give each other the respect they deserve.

Sorry for the rant.
 

Angry_eel

First Grade
Messages
8,651
Is Allah and the Christian god is the same god?

Yes it is. Its the god prayed to by Abraham.

As for muslims and suicide bombings. Suicide bombings being associated with muslims is a recent thing. It was actually started by LTTE whose members were mainly Hindu and you can say before that by Kamikaze. Now this comes back to people ignoring the holy book. I have read that Quran bans Suicide. Yet Jihadis somehow convince themselves thats it ok as long as its killing others. So at the end of the day one individual convinced himself and then made an organization out of it. The people who have the same opinion joined it.
 
Last edited:

yy_cheng

Coach
Messages
18,734
Very true, I see where you are coming from there. I agree some religious society's have a hard stance on certain rules etc etc and although I classify myself a Christian as such, I don't call myself religious.

I like these forums when we can talk to one another trying to understand each others perspective without each trying to put one on top of the other. I was an atheist at one stage too so I know where most people here are coming from and I am very open to the view of an atheist. Truthfully I am a believer in evolution and can see God and evolution working together. I think things work well if both sides are willing to actually listen to one another, and wether we agree or disagree or not does not matter, but I think we can all agree we should give each other the respect they deserve.

Sorry for the rant.

That's why I like this thread too. Just skip or the personal attacks.

I don't think in our lifetime, anyone would find out the answers but each have their own beliefs and theirs nothing wrong with that.

My parents are Roman Catholics but gave my brothers and sisters the choice of following their religion. My brother and sis are Christians but my other sis and myself are not.

At this point in life, I have not had the need for GOD but maybe one day I will.

So I sit on the fence.

However, my friend who was also a non believer had become christian when his mother died.

During SARS in Hong Kong, hospitals were a dangerous place if you were healthy.

His mother, had some heal complications (not SARS) and went to the hospital. They checked her over and sent her home as the hospitals were very busy and cautious about SARS. i.e. they thought people should not stay in the hospital if they did not need to.

She died a few days later.

Since then, he became a Christian as it was his Christian friends who gave him support and helped him through that period.

I just think that GOD will find his way into each person at the right time.
 

Snoochies

First Grade
Messages
5,634
Yes it is. Its the god prayed to by Abraham.

As for muslims and suicide bombings. Suicide bombings being associated with muslims is a recent thing. It was actually started by LTTE whose members were mainly Hindu and you can say before that by Kamikaze. Now this comes back to people ignoring the holy book. I have read that Quran bans Suicide. Yet Jihadis somehow convince themselves thats it ok as long as its killing others.


And I will admit alot of Christian churches are in the same category, hence why I can see why alot of people hate Christians etc.
 

yy_cheng

Coach
Messages
18,734
Yes it is. Its the god prayed to by Abraham.

As for muslims and suicide bombings. Suicide bombings being associated with muslims is a recent thing. It was actually started by LTTE whose members were mainly Hindu and you can say before that by Kamikaze. Now this comes back to people ignoring the holy book. I have read that Quran bans Suicide. Yet Jihadis somehow convince themselves thats it ok as long as its killing others.

I wrote earlier that I was reading a book with the theme that Jesus' crucifixion was staged by the Romans to unite the Christians and then use this to control them.

In the Quran it says:

[4:157] And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.

Now, it could be misinterpreted but anyone can shed some light on this?
 

Latest posts

Top