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God shall not be mocked

Who believes in God?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 64.1%
  • No

    Votes: 33 35.9%

  • Total voters
    92
  • Poll closed .

woddy

Juniors
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this thread still going strong :crazy::crazy::crazy:
you believe or I don't full stop why keep this going .
 

Haynzy

First Grade
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Can I ask the Christians here why they believe the Christian symbol is the fish?

It was used by christians to identify one another when they were being persecuted. They would draw it in the sand.

The word ICTHUS means fish in ancient greek language and is an acrostic.
I - Jesus
C - Christ
TH - God's
U - Son
S - Saviour
 

Eelementary

Post Whore
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Hey bro, how you going?

How aren't true Christians living up to this? Do you know what a true Christian is HJ? Someone who goes to Church once a week and forgets about God for the other 6 days is not a true Christian. Someone who molests young boys is not a true Christian, someone who steals from the Church is not a true Christian, someone who cons people into giving all their hard earned is not a true Christian (and many many many Churches are like this and this was foretold by Jesus and the apostles)

A true Christian helps people in need, people from many denominations help the poor and needy. A true Christian shows love in the face of hate, a true Christian displays patience in the face of persecution, a true Christian turns his back away from the evils of this world and lives right standing in God's eyes.

It is true what you say, many so called Christians will probably burn in hell (I say probably cause this is not my judgement to make), cause they are hypocritical and do not have the spirit in them.

I am not full of pride, I have come here to defend my beliefs (as i stated many posts ago) this is a requirement, "For if you deny me before men, I will deny you before the Holy Angels".

No disrespect, but I could easily replace the word 'Christian' in your post with the term 'human being' and it would be just as adequate:

A true 'human being' helps people in need.
A true 'human being' shows love in the face of hate.
A true 'human being' displays patience in the face of persecution.
A true 'human being' turns his back away from the evils of this world and lives right standing in God's eyes.

Aside from that last quote which clearly associates itself with religion, how can you say that being a Christian/Muslim/Jew/Buddhist/etc. is any different from being a normal, regular, good human being?

A good atheist human being can do everything that was mentioned here, except for worship God (seeing as they do not believe). But they are still conducting themselves in a manner befitting of what you preach. Are they, therefore, heathens and subject to be cast away simply because their beliefs are different, despite the fact they have lived the life of a good person?

I'm neither here nor there with religion, but it does bother me to see this line of thought - that unless you purge yourself of all sins by embracing God (or a god if that is the case) then you are scum and destine to rot away because you are not good enough.

What is the difference between a true Christian who donates his time and money to various charities and an atheist rich man (let's say, for argument's sake, Bill Gates) who donates his time and money to various charities? Aside from the fact the atheist man hasn't been psychologically 'bullied' into worshiping a deity...And by 'bullied', I refer to the general concept that you must cleanse yourself before God or else face eternity in hell...Essentially, do it or you're screwed...."For if you deny me before men, I will deny you before the Holy Angels". Could easily be construed as a threat when you think about it.

If anyone takes offense, I do apologise. I am just trying to contribute to the debate. I have no issues with religion (even though every man and his dog seems to want to convert me from my current non-practicing Catholicism to Christianity) nor do I have problems with religious individuals.
 
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joshreading

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No disrespect, but I could easily replace the word 'Christian' in your post with the term 'human being' and it would be just as adequate:

A true 'human being' helps people in need.
A true 'human being' shows love in the face of hate.
A true 'human being' displays patience in the face of persecution.
A true 'human being' turns his back away from the evils of this world and lives right standing in God's eyes.

Well, whilst such is well meaning it obviously is not right. Being a Christian is an issue of belief and action in reflection of such. Being a human being has nothing to do with belief but rather biology. Of course you can be a bad human being without any contradiction to your identity.

You can tell a 'human being' by their biology alone (nothing they can do can change that they are human) however the Bible tells us that you can tell a Christian by their confession (belief) and the 'fruit' (Gal 5:22, James 1) of their lives.
 

HevyDevy

Coach
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17,146
No disrespect, but I could easily replace the word 'Christian' in your post with the term 'human being' and it would be just as adequate:

A true 'human being' helps people in need.
A true 'human being' shows love in the face of hate.
A true 'human being' displays patience in the face of persecution.
A true 'human being' turns his back away from the evils of this world and lives right standing in God's eyes.

Aside from that last quote which clearly associates itself with religion, how can you say that being a Christian/Muslim/Jew/Buddhist/etc. is any different from being a normal, regular, good human being?

A good atheist human being can do everything that was mentioned here, except for worship God (seeing as they do not believe). But they are still conducting themselves in a manner befitting of what you preach. Are they, therefore, heathens and subject to be cast away simply because their beliefs are different, despite the fact they have lived the life of a good person?

I'm neither here nor there with religion, but it does bother me to see this line of thought - that unless you purge yourself of all sins by embracing God (or a god if that is the case) then you are scum and destine to rot away because you are not good enough.

What is the difference between a true Christian who donates his time and money to various charities and an atheist rich man (let's say, for argument's sake, Bill Gates) who donates his time and money to various charities? Aside from the fact the atheist man hasn't been psychologically 'bullied' into worshiping a deity...And by 'bullied', I refer to the general concept that you must cleanse yourself before God or else face eternity in hell...Essentially, do it or you're screwed...."For if you deny me before men, I will deny you before the Holy Angels". Could easily be construed as a threat when you think about it.

If anyone takes offense, I do apologise. I am just trying to contribute to the debate. I have no issues with religion (even though every man and his dog seems to want to convert me from my current non-practicing Catholicism to Christianity) nor do I have problems with religious individuals.

Best post of the thread.
 

84 Baby

Referee
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29,856
Seeing how the poll appears to be completed, perhaps N. Hindmarsh Fan can explain to me why God felt the need to punish the 60% of Parra fans who have faith for the evils of the minority? Surely he could have singled out those blasphemous fans in other ways while rewarding the believers, including our very own players?
 

Angry_eel

First Grade
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8,651
Well, whilst such is well meaning it obviously is not right. Being a Christian is an issue of belief and action in reflection of such. Being a human being has nothing to do with belief but rather biology. Of course you can be a bad human being without any contradiction to your identity.

You can tell a 'human being' by their biology alone (nothing they can do can change that they are human) however the Bible tells us that you can tell a Christian by their confession (belief) and the 'fruit' (Gal 5:22, James 1) of their lives.

So what you mean is that people around the world who don't happen to be christian or read the bible are not good human beings. I don't mean atheists. I mean people of other religions.

I have never read the bible and neither has anyone in my home. Neither has anyone in my older generation. Despite that, we're quite good human beings. My parents help out in charities and volunteer their time in charitable organisations. This has not come about from Christianity or the Bible. Every Religion or Community teaches people to do these things from birth.
 
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Snoochies

First Grade
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5,634
So what you mean is that people around the world who don't happen to be christian or read the bible are not good human beings. I don't mean atheists. I mean people of other religions.

I have never read the bible and neither has anyone in my home. Neither has anyone in my older generation. Despite that, we're quite good human beings. My parents help out in charities and volunteer their time in charitable organisations. This has not come about from Christianity or the Bible. Every Religion or Community teaches people to do these things from birth.

Who defines what is right and wrong?
 
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Who defines what is right and wrong?

Common sense, and the notion of how you would want others to consider and treat you, which in turn instructs your own actions.

F*ck me, we should be intelligent enough not to need an "instruction manual" to tell us this.

Then again, I personally think anyone using a largely unsubstantiated, ever-revised, highly contested, up to two-thousand year old text known as "The Bible" as their sole source of moral instruction, demonstrates insufficient intellectual capacity, and therefore can not be deemed anything loftier than "moronic".
 

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