Gold Coast Bears/Nth Sydney/Gosford

[Stallion]

If you only skimmed it then how can you possibly know it's garbage? You'd have to have read it and thought about it to know that it's garbage...

If you're going to argue with someone you need to know what their actual arguments are, in this format that means reading...



I see you're going to follow your usual MO, you're going to ignore any points that are made without even an attempt at refutation and just reassert your position without evidence...



That's true, doesn't mean that we need a new club to up the representation in the two areas...



Why? Why won't they accept Manly.

The distaste that NS (Bears parts of NS) had for the Sea Eagles is basically dead, a couple more generations and it'll be completely dead.

I see no reason why the Sea Eagles couldn't successfully spread themselves outside of the Peninsula with some work.



That's nice an all but in the grand scheme of things it's worth what a few hundred grand a year in gate receipts if the clubs lucky...

The CC and NS simply don't add anything where it matters, broadcasting rights, sponsorship value, national exposure, advertising value, etc, it literally only adds the feel good story and some PR, and frankly that feel good value is only going to appeal to a absolutely tiny percentage of the population and it isn't worth losing all that money from the things above, it also isn't worth the problems that a CC club would compound in Sydney.



You keep saying that over and over but all the evidence is to the contrary...



It's nice that you and the Sydney clubs have decided that Perth and another Brisbane team are welcome in the national competition, but only once Sydney gets their 10th team...

Pretty sure you are not aware of the culture in that part of Sydney. Manly will not gain support outside of their area. They are Manly Warringah. Sure they have external fans but they will.not be accepted in those areas. Historical and cultural reasons are why this is so. Something you are not understanding.

 

[Stallion]

If you only skimmed it then how can you possibly know it's garbage? You'd have to have read it and thought about it to know that it's garbage...

If you're going to argue with someone you need to know what their actual arguments are, in this format that means reading...



I see you're going to follow your usual MO, you're going to ignore any points that are made without even an attempt at refutation and just reassert your position without evidence...



That's true, doesn't mean that we need a new club to up the representation in the two areas...



Why? Why won't they accept Manly.

The distaste that NS (Bears parts of NS) had for the Sea Eagles is basically dead, a couple more generations and it'll be completely dead.

I see no reason why the Sea Eagles couldn't successfully spread themselves outside of the Peninsula with some work.



That's nice an all but in the grand scheme of things it's worth what a few hundred grand a year in gate receipts if the clubs lucky...

The CC and NS simply don't add anything where it matters, broadcasting rights, sponsorship value, national exposure, advertising value, etc, it literally only adds the feel good story and some PR, and frankly that feel good value is only going to appeal to a absolutely tiny percentage of the population and it isn't worth losing all that money from the things above, it also isn't worth the problems that a CC club would compound in Sydney.



You keep saying that over and over but all the evidence is to the contrary...



It's nice that you and the Sydney clubs have decided that Perth and another Brisbane team are welcome in the national competition, but only once Sydney gets their 10th team...

No you idiot. Their should be four more clubs in the NRL. And over the long haul more expansion clubs! And not once has a timeframe been suggested but should be discussed. Although I would put Brisbane2 in asap. Purely from a logistical and timeframe point of view, the Central Coast Bears does make good sense. (Already established rugby league areas). But Perth is fine however probably needs time for further development setup work. It's amazing how you infer stuff that had not been stated. Also noted you have underestimated the financial windfall of local derbies? You think four local derby games amount to a few $100000? The figures would be well in excess of that! Not only you make money from the increased gate but merchandise, memberships, food and leagues club patronage booms! You dudes are really not here (on this website) for the respectful good of the code!? Are you?! More clubs YES ! Implosion and erosion NO!

 

[Perth Red]

Waste of time . The Bears should stick with the potential and commonsense of the Central Coast. Its proximity is compelling and its accessibility for the longtime hibernating fans makes good sense. It's logical . I notice the implosionist 'thinkers' are about ?That's consistent with your flawed, disrespectful and poor mathematical market logic. Not others! That know of the damage that has been done and steps to remedy such poor regard for the code will be better than throwing pins on a map and thinking no one will mind or forget.

Nice damage rant yet again, now how about answering the question!
You didn't answer who these rich NS business backers are just waiting in the wings for a CC Bears side to invest millions in. Come on who are they?

Roosters are doing a great job getting into the CC jnr development pathways and genuinely supporting the game there, something that NS has failed to do since the expansion bubble was popped in 2012.
Manly are on borrowed time in their current set up, they will have no choice but to spread their wings (excuse the pun). The days of small isolated suburban teams is numbered unless you have a massive pokie den or can flog off some assets to keep you relevant.

 

[Stallion]

Nice damage rant yet again, now how about answering the question!
You didn't answer who these rich NS business backers are just waiting in the wings for a CC Bears side to invest millions in. Come on who are they?

Roosters are doing a great job getting into the CC jnr development pathways and genuinely supporting the game there, something that NS has failed to do since the expansion bubble was popped in 2012.
Manly are on borrowed time in their current set up, they will have no choice but to spread their wings (excuse the pun). The days of small isolated suburban teams is numbered unless you have a massive pokie den or can flog off some assets to keep you relevant.

You are so negative it belies belief! These businesses would be there if the Bears were on the way back to the NRL. Ask Greg Florimo that stuff Mr Implosion!

 

[jim_57]

You are so negative it belies belief! These businesses would be there if the Bears were on the way back to the NRL. Ask Greg Florimo that stuff Mr Implosion!

Everything you say was what people were saying in 2009-2012 when the only bids were Central Coast Bears and WA Reds, it's like a blast from the past.

Since then though several other bids have popped up and even places without a strong bid team (Adelaide, NZ2) are a better options than an 11th NSW team.

 

[Stallion]

Everything you say was what people were saying in 2009-2012 when the only bids were Central Coast Bears and WA Reds, it's like a blast from the past.

Since then though several other bids have popped up and even places without a strong bid team (Adelaide, NZ2) are a better options than an 11th NSW team.

Those people back then were right! The game grow in Sydney and surrounds as well as elsewhere . That's my stance and the viewpoint of others!

 

[Perth Red]

You are so negative it belies belief! These businesses would be there if the Bears were on the way back to the NRL. Ask Greg Florimo that stuff Mr Implosion!

another dodge, who? Its a simple question. You put it out there like you know who these NS backers are, its a simple question.

I suspect this is another one of your "there's millions of Bears fans just waiting to come back to the NRL" statements with little evidence to back up the claim.

 

[Stallion]

another dodge, who? Its a simple question. You put it out there like you know who these NS backers are, its a simple question.

I suspect this is another one of your "there's millions of Bears fans just waiting to come back to the NRL" statements with little evidence to back up the claim.

Ask Greg Florimo. You know Im not privy to the financial aspects of any club. However I know of people who very much agree that plenty of businesses in North Sydney would get behind the Bears if they came back as the CC Bears.

 

[jim_57]

Does the Central Coast Bears bid still actually exist? Just googled it and no actual website and a lot of very old information. Nothing new except the Titans stuff.

I would quite like to see Bears back in the NRL, but not on the Central Coast. It's a decent brand and awesome colour set. I'd happily see them partner with Wellington/Christchurch or Adelaide in any future bid.

 

[Stallion]

Does the Central Coast Bears bid still actually exist? Just googled it and no actual website and a lot of very old information. Nothing new except the Titans stuff.

I would quite like to see Bears back in the NRL, but not on the Central Coast. It's a decent brand and awesome colour set. I'd happily see them partner with Wellington/Christchurch or Adelaide in any future bid.

The mess has been made. The Bears on the coast is the best fix for the code.

 

[jim_57]

The mess has been made. The Bears on the coast is the best fix for the code.

An 11th NSW team isn't the best fit for anything or anyone.

 

[Stallion]

An 11th NSW team isn't the best fit for anything or anyone.

Ask the hibernating fans if North Sydney and the underrepresented people of the Central Coast that one. Also the genuine local derbies the code misses out on . We differ. I think and so do others that fixing some of the superleague mistakes and not diluting the code in these highly populated areas already with suitable infrastructure in place is a positive for rugby league.

 

[Perth Red]

Ask Greg Florimo. You know Im not privy to the financial aspects of any club. However I know of people who very much agree that plenty of businesses in North Sydney would get behind the Bears if they came back as the CC Bears.

haha so you know people who know people? Credibility zero!

 

[Stallion]

haha so you know people who know people? Credibility zero!

Sounds like your implosion logic. Zero credibility!

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Ask the hibernating fans if North Sydney and the underrepresented people of the Central Coast that one. Also the genuine local derbies the code misses out on . We differ. I think and so do others that fixing some of the superleague mistakes and not diluting the code in these highly populated areas already with suitable infrastructure in place is a positive for rugby league.

North Sydney fans are use to hibernating, they are bears after all. So what’s another 15-20yrs when there are 4/5 better expansion bids on the table. The central coast has been unrepresented at Nrl level for 20yrs and prior to that NS only went there to stay afloat. Now the roosters have committed to the area even more so than there own local area. In the coming years they are taking 3 or more games to the CC. Hardly tokenism. And the roosters still can create a rivalry with Newcastle and manly and they don’t even have to try. Half the Newcastle side is roosters to start with.

If they expand properly and raise the quality of 2nd tier teams with funding/facilities/gov grants/grassroot programs etc they could just completely remove the Nrl as we know it. Ready made 2 conference, truely National/international comp. you would get your derbies, expansion.

 

[Stallion]

North Sydney fans are use to hibernating, they are bears after all. So what’s another 15-20yrs when there are 4/5 better expansion bids on the table. The central coast has been unrepresented at Nrl level for 20yrs and prior to that NS only went there to stay afloat. Now the roosters have committed to the area even more so than there own local area. In the coming years they are taking 3 or more games to the CC. Hardly tokenism. And the roosters still can create a rivalry with Newcastle and manly and they don’t even have to try. Half the Newcastle side is roosters to start with.

If they expand properly and raise the quality of 2nd tier teams with funding/facilities/gov grants/grassroot programs etc they could just completely remove the Nrl as we know it. Ready made 2 conference, truely National/international comp. you would get your derbies, expansion.

The Roosters move is not that favourably viewed upon. You rightly noted the Roosters have abandoned their area. This is a mistake. The Bears are much more suited for the Central Coast both geographically and logistically. It's a win/win straight away. It should have occured twenty years ago.We disagree on this one but am all for additional expansion clubs elsewhere.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Sounds like your implosion logic. Zero credibility!

It can’t be implosion when NS bears aren’t in the Nrl comp to even start with.

Your answer about NS financial district is ask Greg Florimo? Seriously? Ask the guy who is the boss of the bears bid team. Biased much?
Wasnt it a month or 2 ago they were jockeying for the GC spot. Their flip flopping is doing them no favors. I just wish you and them could see the bigger picture. Commit to a adelaide/NS team. They could even have a game in CC for there fans. You would get your bears back, history back

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The Roosters move is not that favourably viewed upon. You rightly noted the Roosters have abandoned their area. Thus is a mistake. The Bears are much more suited for the Central Coast both geographically and logistically. Its win win straight away. It should have occured twenty years ago.We disagree on this one but am all for additional expansion clubs elsewhere.

But do you not think that with all the programs/money/kpis the Nrl and clubs now have that the roosters will be able to engage there 2 communities over the coming 5-10 yrs?

 

[jim_57]

"Hibernating Bears fans"..

Question, does anyone know anyone who suits this description? Someone who has held on and will be back on the Bears bandwagon as soon as they get back in?

There may be a few, but I would suggest that by now most people have moved on.

The "beauty" of having so many Sydney teams means Bears could relocate to Adelaide or NZ and their old Sydney fans would still have 5+ games in Sydney as options annually. So by all means, run with Adelaide Bears and give Sydney membership options for away games. I think though some people will be very underwhelmed by the numbers once the gloss wears off.

 

[Stallion]

It can’t be implosion when NS bears aren’t in the Nrl comp to even start with.

Your answer about NS financial district is ask Greg Florimo? Seriously? Ask the guy who is the boss of the bears bid team. Biased much?
Wasnt it a month or 2 ago they were jockeying for the GC spot. Their flip flopping is doing them no favors. I just wish you and them could see the bigger picture. Commit to a adelaide/NS team. They could even have a game in CC for there fans. You would get your bears back, history back

It's implosion already in action! NORTH Sydney should not have been kicked out. They should be based on the CC as the BEARS. Significant drop in junior numbers and drop in tv viewing figures for rugby league in Northern Sydney reflect some of the implosion effect.