Gold Coast Bears/Nth Sydney/Gosford

[Stallion]

"Hibernating Bears fans"..

Question, does anyone know anyone who suits this description? Someone who has held on and will be back on the Bears bandwagon as soon as they get back in?

There may be a few, but I would suggest that by now most people have moved on.

The "beauty" of having so many Sydney teams means Bears could relocate to Adelaide or NZ and their old Sydney fans would still have 5+ games in Sydney as options annually. So by all means, run with Adelaide Bears and give Sydney membership options for away games. I think though some people will be very underwhelmed by the numbers once the gloss wears off.

Just myself have met 20 hibernating Bears fans. They are dissappointed and disheartened by what the decision makers did back twenty years ago. The ageing population has kept the memory of the Bears very much afloat!

 

[Stormwarrior82]

It's implosion already in action! NORTH Sydney should not have been kicked out. They should be based on the CC as the BEARS. Significant drop in junior numbers and drop in tv viewing figures for rugby league in Northern Sydney reflect some of the implosion effect.

“Implosion Already in action” ? It Happened 20yrs ago mate, time to move on with that thinking. Implosion has been and gone. Bears are in 2nd tier now.

 

[Stallion]

“Implosion Already in action” ? It Happened 20yrs ago mate, time to move on with that thinking. Implosion has been and gone. Bears are in 2nd tier now.

I'll give you some detail on the implosion. And its not a case of moving on. It can be improved. Anyway the North Sydney junior rugby league had 22 clubs when they were in the top flight. This has decreased to 8 with many age groups just fielding barely one team. It used to be 3 teams per age group in most clubs. This is what I regard as a real life example of the effects of imploding the code with the removal of a top flight club. It's reality and can be remedied.

 

[Perth Red]

It's implosion already in action! NORTH Sydney should not have been kicked out. They should be based on the CC as the BEARS. Significant drop in junior numbers and drop in tv viewing figures for rugby league in Northern Sydney reflect some of the implosion effect.

Evidence of drop in tv viewing figures in ns? Don’t bother I know you will have no facts or references for such a claim. Maybe you know someone who knows someone who works at channel nine lol

Roosters are doing a great job sorting out one of their major weaknesses of lack of jnr playing reach and cc is benefitting with development and direct pathways to nrl. NS bears abandoned the CC as soonnas expansion was taken off the table in 2012 I’d suggest it more likely cc people will be more irked at the bears for dropping them like a hot stone as soon as they realised it wasn’t a ticket back into the nrl than atbthe roosters for invest8ng in the region.

 

[Perth Red]

I'll give you some detail on the implosion. And its not a case of moving on. It can be improved. Anyway the North Sydney junior rugby league had 22 clubs when they were in the top flight. This has decreased to 8 with many age groups just fielding barely one team. It used to be 3 teams per age group in most clubs. This is what I regard as a real life example of the effects of imploding the code with the removal of a top flight club. It's reality and can be remedied.

And yet the bears still exist, the leagues club still exists, they are still pumping money into jnrs, there is still a direct pathway to the nrl for any ns junior. If WA in afl heartland, no pathway and no nrl team can be growing its juniors why can’t NS with all its advantages? Shows what a sht job the bears are doing in their own backyard let alone suggesting they should be given a second region,

 

[Stallion]

Evidence of drop in tv viewing figures in ns? Don’t bother I know you will have no facts or references for such a claim. Maybe you know someone who knows someone who works at channel nine lol

Roosters are doing a great job sorting out one of their major weaknesses of lack of jnr playing reach and cc is benefitting with development and direct pathways to nrl. NS bears abandoned the CC as soonnas expansion was taken off the table in 2012 I’d suggest it more likely cc people will be more irked at the bears for dropping them like a hot stone as soon as they realised it wasn’t a ticket back into the nrl than atbthe roosters for invest8ng in the region.

I know your pathetic stance PR! Another contributor mentioned that their was a significant drop in viewer numbers of the State of Origin series in the North Sydney compared to the rest of Sydney. You will refute this but thats you PR. I recall reading it on this site . However Im not your goffer and you will have to take my wird on it. Your scurrilous stance has provided no fact in supporting any positives in reducing long established and highly recognisable clubs of Sydney. And you continue to prefer to whiteant the core of this magnificent competition with a rational that its impossible to add further clubs elsewhere if destroying the fabric of these well known Sydney clubs doesnt occur. You are the one clutching at fairy-tale logic in not maintaining proven established markets. Additional clubs elsewhere are fine. Constricting of the number of clubs pervades your sinister approach that lacks respect for this popular competition.

 

[Stallion]

And yet the bears still exist, the leagues club still exists, they are still pumping money into jnrs, there is still a direct pathway to the nrl for any ns junior. If WA in afl heartland, no pathway and no nrl team can be growing its juniors why can’t NS with all its advantages? Shows what a sht job the bears are doing in their own backyard let alone suggesting they should be given a second region,

Its a cultural and locality based issue in North Sydney. If you takeaway a top flight club its like taking away the heart of the area! Perth has not had a top flight club in existence for over multiple decades. Ever heard the song " You dont know what you have lost till its gone!". Well that applies to North Sydney. Perth or WA are aspiring to have a team in the Big League and I hope they get there but not on the nasty premise that they take /limit the reach of rugby-league in Its foundation areas of Sydney. Grow the code with these clubs:YES. Nasty undermining of the clubs and the code : NO!

 

[Perth Red]

I know your pathetic stance PR! Another contributor mentioned that their was a significant drop in viewer numbers of the State of Origin series in the North Sydney compared to the rest of Sydney. .

Haha must be true then! How the frick would they know that when tv ratings aren't suburb specific!

 

[Perth Red]

Its a cultural and locality based issue in North Sydney. If you takeaway a top flight club its like taking away the heart of the area! Perth has not had a top flight club in existence for over multiple decades. Ever heard the song " You dont know what you have lost till its gone!". Well that applies to North Sydney. Perth or WA are aspiring to have a team in the Big League and I hope they get there but not on the nasty premise that they take /limit the reach of rugby-league in Its foundation areas of Sydney. Grow the code with these clubs:YES. Nasty undermining of the clubs and the code : NO!

So we lost our team 20 years ago but have managed to recover and are seeing a growth in Junior participation despite all the challenges of being in AFL heartland, having minimal funding and no direct NRL pathway, yet NS who lost their NRL status 17 years ago, have millions in annual pokie funding,a direct pathway to the NRL and are in RL heartland cant recover? Not sure what that says about NS or the Bears TBH if that is your intimation.

 

[Stallion]

Haha must be true then! How the frick would they know that when tv ratings aren't suburb specific!

Apparently their is a way of finding this out? Thats what I've been informed! ?

 

[Stallion]

So we lost our team 20 years ago but have managed to recover and are seeing a growth in Junior participation despite all the challenges of being in AFL heartland, having minimal funding and no direct NRL pathway, yet NS who lost their NRL status 17 years ago, have millions in annual pokie funding,a direct pathway to the NRL and are in RL heartland cant recover? Not sure what that says about NS or the Bears TBH if that is your intimation.

? Their has been no recovery in northern Sydney for rugby league junior boy numbers! In reality its regressed even further!

 

[Perth Red]

? Their has been no recovery in northern Sydney for rugby league junior boy numbers! In reality its regressed even further!

Why when we have managed to more than recover in the west?

 

[Stallion]

Why when we have managed to more than recover in the west?

Their has been a recovery in the Penrith area which coincided with Phil Gould turning things around there. Remembering Penrith were not merged. Other areas not so!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

This has been said before by others I know, but I'll repeat:

The NSWRL is the foundation for the current NRL, yes, but it is not the foundation for rugby league in general. The QRL had a thriving comp and has some iconic brands that don't exist (and never have in the NRL).

The ideal situation in the 80's would have been to create a national league from the strongest QRL and NSW clubs, not just add clubs to the NSWRL and then change the name to the ARL.

Had that been the case you would probably have a comp that looked like:
South Sydney
St George
Sydney Roosters
Canterbury
Paramatta
Manly
Redcliffe
Ipswich
Gold Coast Tweed
East Brisbane Tigers
Wynnum Manly
Newcastle

Then you could have expanded from there with no oversaturation or underrepresentation of any RL area:
1995: Auckland, North Queensland & Perth
2000: Melbourne
2005: Adelaide
2010: New Zealand 2

Iconic clubs like
Wests, Penrith, Balmain, Cronulla, North Sydney, Illawarra etc could have made the NSWRL comp a very strong and well supported second teir comp.

Note: The Sydney clubs I chose were just for example - I have no idea what the best ones to pick would have been.

 

[Stallion]

This has been said before by others I know, but I'll repeat:

The NSWRL is the foundat
ion for the current NRL, yes, but it is not the foundation for rugby league in general. The QRL had a thriving comp and has some iconic brands that don't exist (and never have in the NRL).

The ideal situation in the 80's would have been to create a national league from the strongest QRL and NSW clubs, not just add clubs to the NSW
RL and then change the name to the ARL.

Had that been the case you would probably have a comp that looked like:
South Sydney
St George
Sydney Roosters
Canterbury
Paramatta
Manly
Redcliffe
Ipswich
Gold Coast Tweed
East Brisbane Tigers
Wynnum Manly
Newcastle

Then you could have expanded from there with no oversaturation or underrepresentation of any RL area:
1995: Auckland, North Queensland & Perth
2000: Melbourne
2005: Adelaide
2010: New Zealand 2

Iconic clubs like
Wests, Penrith, Balmain, Cronulla, North Sydney, Illawarra etc could have made the NSWRL comp a very strong and well supported second teir comp.

Note: The Sydney clubs I chose were just for example - I have no idea what the best ones to pick would have been.

Unfortunately the lower tier existence just doesnt cut it in Australia champ. It's reality. Top flight or you lose fans! IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Unfortunately the lower tier existence just doesnt cut it in Australia champ. It's reality. Top flight or you lose fans! IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

Yet iconic Queensland clubs are expected to survive and thrive at that level? Redcliffe would dwarf some Sydney clubs if it had been given the opportunity to join a national league in the 80's and received the benefit of the higher TV money ever since.

 

[Stallion]

Yet iconic Queensland clubs are expected to survive and thrive at that level? Redcliffe would dwarf some Sydney clubs if it had been given the opportunity to join a national league in the 80's and received the benefit of the higher TV money ever since.

Understand. But the Sydney comp was what the general publuc admired. And thats what happened. Absolutely a fan of more Qld clubs but the greedy Broncos are thwarting that! More teams are achevable without imploding the foundations of this very popular competition

 

[The Great Dane]

Understand. But the Sydney comp was what the general publuc admired. And thats what happened. Absolutely a fan of more Qld clubs but the greedy Broncos are thwarting that! More teams are achevable without imploding the foundations of this very popular competition

So old Sydney clubs have this magic that means they can't be touched, but despite being just as old and just as steeped in history and tradition the old Brisbane clubs don't have the voodoo...

You're so full of shit...

You build up absolute rules then arbitrarily break them when it suits you, you are consistently inconsistent, you demand respect for certain clubs then spit on others, you outright refuse to address refutations, you constantly move the goal posts, etc, etc, etc.

I don't know why we bother with you anymore...

 

[Stallion]

So old Sydney clubs have this magic that means they can't be touched, but despite being just as old and just as steeped in history and tradition the old Brisbane clubs don't have the voodoo...

You're so full of shit...

You build up absolute rules then arbitrarily break them when it suits you, you are consistently inconsistent, you demand respect for certain clubs then spit on others, you outright refuse to address refutations, you constantly move the goal posts, etc, etc, etc.

I don't know why we bother with you anymore...

Amazingly you have forgotten or deliberately left out that the NRL is based from the Sydney competition. Get that in your head and you may work out things properly!

 

[The Great Dane]

Amazingly you have firgotten or deliberately left out that the NRL is based from the Sydney competition. Get that in your head and you may works things properly!

What effect does that have on a clubs history and tradition? None...

You just know and understand the Sydney clubs history and traditions but not the others, and assume that your experiences and opinions of the clubs are widely held when they aren't, so all you are doing is projecting yourself onto the population and then coming to the conclusion that the Sydney clubs are incredibly popular all across the country and that cause of that popularity they need to be protected and pushed to the end.

Of course your whole hypothesis falls apart cause you've projected your thoughts and emotions onto a huge population when in fact that huge population doesn't share your thoughts and emotions.