Gold Coast Bears/Nth Sydney/Gosford

[flippikat]

i see the WA perth western force back into the bigtime, biggames
bring in the PERTH team ASAP , same as ADELAIDE team, look after BRISBANE now aswell
just get it done

Yeah, 1995 V2.0 - a new "grand expansion".
Brisbane Firebirds OR Jagera (home games at Suncorp Stadium)
South Queensland Dolphins (Redcliffe, 1 or 2 games on Sunshine Coast)
West Coast Pirates
Adelaide Rams.. or Adelaide Bears if they're serious about SA

Bold, but what a footprint THAT would be!

 

[T to the T]

Considering V'Landys recent comments regarding expansion and avoiding 'rusted on AFL states' (an error IMO), and with a 17th team in Brisbane, theoretically a Northern Bears bid wouldn't look out of place as team 18 under V'Landys.

If that were the case, what would the impact be on union and AFL if the NRL establishes a presence on the North Shore (shared with Central Coast) again? For the layman, what area of Northern Sydney was left up for grabs when the Bears were purged and has Parra/Manly picked up any of that slack?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Do we really need more teams in fumbleball states that hate rugby league?

Melbourne Storm have been around for 22 years and have been successful in every year, bar 1 or 2 in the early 2000s. Despite that they've only managed to inspire 3,500 people who live in Victoria to play the game. People there just don't care about the game. The TV ratings in Melbourne are poor. All they could manage when the Storm were put on the main channel was 90,000 in a metro area that reaches 5 million people.

To put that into perspective, the population of metro Brisbane is 2.5 million. Here are the ratings for the Lions and Suns.

"The two lowest-watched teams nationally (across both AFL and NRL) are the AFL’s two Queensland teams, the Gold Coast Suns (93,510 FTA average and 97,765 subscription average) and Brisbane Lions (95,510 FTA average and 97,765 subscription average). They are the least popular of 34 teams across both codes.

The average Queensland-wide audience of the Broncos (325,494 per game) and Cowboys (311,321 per game) is nearly 10 times the size of the Queensland-wide audience of the Brisbane Lions (40,778 per game) or the Gold Coast Suns (34,365 per game)" Roy Masters article.

So on a per capita basis, the Lions are able to draw roughly the same amount of viewers on 7mate as the Storm can on Channel 9. Perth Red gloats about the Storm's rating, but he ignores the context that it's in a metro area of 5 million people and should be drawing 200,000.

I see the irony in the two fumbleball teams in Queensland being the least watched football teams across the two major codes. It shows just how hard expansion is and how little fruit it will bear, even when a team like the Lions/Bears have been around since 1987.

You guys don't get why the VFL brought in the Bears and Eagles. It wasn't to spread the game and make it more marketable to investors. The sole reason was because Melbournian clubs were broke and needed cash. The money the VFL could get from selling licences to bidders kept struggling Melbourne clubs alive.

"In 1986, the VFL Commission announced plans to set up privately owned clubs based in Perth and Brisbane, motivated by the need to sell multimillion-dollar licences to save a number of Victorian clubs which were struggling financially. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisbane_Bears#Establishment

Look at Roy Masters' information regarding TV ratings. There's clearly a massive appetite for rugby league in Queensland. We also know that Queenslanders turn off when their teams are not playing. Putting more teams in Brisbane will drive the ratings up, bringing more advertising revenue to the game.

It must also be stated that unlike Melbourne, the Lions and Swans have a long list of players who were developed in the local leagues. The game was played in these cities long before rugby league existed and remained there long after rugby league became the dominate game. AwFuL have something substantial to work with in these cities, which is why they pour money into them. Despite all of that, they still struggle to compete against RL and are just a niche sport.outside of their heartland. The only growth they've seen is in the GPS schools where RL is banned.

Put an NRL team in Adelaide and you'll be lucky to have 1,500 players in South Australia after 20 years.

We've already wasted one licence by putting a team in Melbourne. Don't insult my intelligence by pretending they add value to the TV rights deal. How, by being stuck on the multichannel 9GEM as their viewership is as low as the Lions when you take population into equation? The majority of people who watch them live in QLD and NSW. They'd be watching this team if they were called the Port Moresby Storm because it's so successful. Having Melbourne in its name has nothing to do with it. Let's not waste another two. In fact, let's get rid of the Storm. Relocate them to somewhere meaningful that actually likes the game and will add value to the TV rights deal.

So why the obsession to put teams in Adelaide and Perth and limit Brisbane to just two?

Don't tell me it will grow the game. 3,500 players in Victoria and just 90,000 people watching in Melbourne on the main channel, despite the fact they've dominated the league for 22 years is not growth. If they weren't propped up by News Ltd and the NRL for the bulk of their existence they would have folded long ago.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Considering V'Landys recent comments regarding expansion and avoiding 'rusted on AFL states' (an error IMO), and with a 17th team in Brisbane, theoretically a Northern Bears bid wouldn't look out of place as team 18 under V'Landys.

If that were the case, what would the impact be on union and AFL if the NRL establishes a presence on the North Shore (shared with Central Coast) again? For the layman, what area of Northern Sydney was left up for grabs when the Bears were purged and has Parra/Manly picked up any of that slack?

It's a pity Wests and Canterbury didn't merge. Norths and Balmain could have merged. Western Sydney Bulldogs, black and white. North Sydney Tigers. Gold and black, based at Parramatta Stadium.

 

[Perth Red]

Do we really need more teams in fumbleball states that hate rugby league?

Melbourne Storm have been around for 22 years and have been successful in every year, bar 1 or 2 in the early 2000s. Despite that they've only managed to inspire 3,500 people who live in Victoria to play the game. People there just don't care about the game. The TV ratings in Melbourne are poor. All they could manage when the Storm were put on the main channel was 90,000 in a metro area that reaches 5 million people.

To put that into perspective, the population of metro Brisbane is 2.5 million. Here are the ratings for the Lions and Suns.


So on a per capita basis, the Lions are able to draw roughly the same amount of viewers on 7mate as the Storm can on Channel 9. Perth Red gloats about the Storm's rating, but he ignores the context that it's in a metro area of 5 million people and should be drawing 200,000.

I see the irony in the two fumbleball teams in Queensland being the least watched football teams across the two major codes. It shows just how hard expansion is and how little fruit it will bear, even when a team like the Lions/Bears have been around since 1987.

You guys don't get why the VFL brought in the Bears and Eagles. It wasn't to spread the game and make it more marketable to investors. The sole reason was because Melbournian clubs were broke and needed cash. The money the VFL could get from selling licences to bidders kept struggling Melbourne clubs alive.



Look at Roy Masters' information regarding TV ratings. There's clearly a massive appetite for rugby league in Queensland. We also know that Queenslanders turn off when their teams are not playing. Putting more teams in Brisbane will drive the ratings up, bringing more advertising revenue to the game.

It must also be stated that unlike Melbourne, the Lions and Swans have a long list of players who were developed in the local leagues. The game was played in these cities long before rugby league existed and remained there long after rugby league became the dominate game. AwFuL have something substantial to work with in these cities, which is why they pour money into them. Despite all of that, they still struggle to compete against RL and are just a niche sport.outside of their heartland. The only growth they've seen is in the GPS schools where RL is banned.

Put an NRL team in Adelaide and you'll be lucky to have 1,500 players in South Australia after 20 years.

We've already wasted one licence by putting a team in Melbourne. Don't insult my intelligence by pretending they add value to the TV rights deal. How, by being stuck on the multichannel 9GEM as their viewership is as low as the Lions when you take population into equation? The majority of people who watch them live in QLD and NSW. They'd be watching this team if they were called the Port Moresby Storm because it's so successful. Having Melbourne in its name has nothing to do with it. Let's not waste another two. In fact, let's get rid of the Storm. Relocate them to somewhere meaningful that actually likes the game and will add value to the TV rights deal.

So why the obsession to put teams in Adelaide and Perth and limit Brisbane to just two?

Don't tell me it will grow the game. 3,500 players in Victoria and just 90,000 people watching in Melbourne on the main channel, despite the fact they've dominated the league for 22 years is not growth. If they weren't propped up by News Ltd and the NRL for the bulk of their existence they would have folded long ago.

I think you need to post exactly the same thing time after time in more threads lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I think you need to post exactly the same thing time after time in more threads lol

Every thread has you and other "expansionists" who want to flood fumbleball states and NZ with teams, while whinging about the amount of clubs in Sydney and demanding that the amount of clubs in Brissie be throttled so you can dream that a unicorn will become ARLC chairman and make your dreams come true. When the powers that be don't do as you please you whinge and make out the sky is falling because Perth didn't get a team that it doesn't want or need.

I'm giving you the facts. No spin. Just the honest truth about what lies ahead for the NRL if it expands into Perth and Adelaide.

How do you think fans of Sydney clubs feel hearing you whinge and demand that their clubs be sacrificed so that people who couldn't care less about the game in Perth and Adelaide can have a team that they will never watch?

You've been doing exactly that for years. Your tiresome shit needs to be countered with facts.

I think Gosford deserves a team. It has a great stadium, around 400,000 people on the Central Coast and is positioned nicely between Newcastle and Sydney. Whether that team is a relocated Sydney team like Manly or a new team altogether, I don't know. Maybe Melbourne can be closed down and relocated to Central Coast when Bellamy and Smith retire. We all know their crowds will nosedive like the Lions when they become also-rans.

 

[mongoose]

Gosford isn't expanding, it doesn't bring new fans to the sport or new players. It doesn't add value to the broadcast rights and it doesn't attract bigger or more sponsors. It's just a feel good move to give a bunch of rusted on League fans their very own team. AFL would laugh at the NRL putting a new team there cause its such a small time, weak move to do.
A new expansion team between Newcastle and Sydney, gee whiz...

 

[Perth Red]

Gosford isn't expanding, it doesn't bring new fans to the sport or new players. It doesn't add value to the broadcast rights and it doesn't attract bigger or more sponsors. It's just a feel good move to give a bunch of rusted on League fans their very own team. AFL would laugh at the NRL putting a new team there cause its such a small time, weak move to do.
A new expansion team between Newcastle and Sydney, gee whiz...

but but but....tribalism, fishes, afl is taking over etc etc

 

[The Great Dane]

but but but....tribalism, fishes, afl is taking over etc etc

Once you boil it down their argument is simply 'but tradition'...

 

[Perth Red]

Once you boil it down their argument is simply 'but tradition'...

It boils down a combination of:

no faith in the product
no courage
no vision
no strategy

I don't know a single successful business that hasn't grown its profits by developing new customer markets.
NRL's myopic view would be like Steven Jobs telling the guy with the idea for an Iphone to F*** off as they make computers.

It is a RL trait though, probably in our working class DNA. Know your place, dont get too big for your boots, leave ambition to those better equipped for it etc.
In the same time period RL has existed
Union has become an established International sport on all continents
Soccer has become a global giant
NFL has become a global brand
AFL has a national footprint
Basketball has become one of the most played games in the world

Top tier RL has a club in Melbourne and one in Toronto to show for its efforts!

 

[The Great Dane]

It boils down a combination of:

no faith in the product
no courage
no vision
no strategy

None of those things are arguments, they are attitudes. Attitudes that may inform arguments, but not arguments in of themselves.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Gosford isn't expanding, it doesn't bring new fans to the sport or new players. It doesn't add value to the broadcast rights and it doesn't attract bigger or more sponsors. It's just a feel good move to give a bunch of rusted on League fans their very own team. AFL would laugh at the NRL putting a new team there cause its such a small time, weak move to do.
A new expansion team between Newcastle and Sydney, gee whiz...

Do you not see the hypocrisy?

You berate Gosford as being too small, not a new area, not growing and bringing no value to TV rights. Yet you support a team from an area that is all of those things. If the NSWRL followed your advice in 1980s there would be no Raiders.

I've asked before and I will ask again. If you think fans in RL heartland who don't have a team to support are less important than people in Perth and Adelaide, and let's be realistic, they will never watch the game, why aren't you demanding the Raiders become the West Coast Raiders?

After 22 years of unrivalled success, the Storm have only inspired 3,500 people across Victoria to play the game.

Perth Red gloats about the Storm getting 90,000 people across Melbourne to tune in when they played the Broncos on theain channel. What the idiot either does not understand or is leaving out is that is similar to what the Lions average on 7mate in Brissie when you consider that Melbourne has twice as many people.

If you think that is impressive, the Lions and the Suns are the least watched teams of the 34 clubs from the NRL and AFL. Let that sink in.

Is that your definition of growing the game?

Is that what you want from Adelaide and Perth?

What value would a Perth or Adelaide team add to the TV rights? They would be stuck on 9Gem drawing 30,000 or less viewers in their home markets. A team in Gosford would draw far more than that.

The AwFuL would not like it one bit if the NRL put a team in Gosford. It would make it harder to get kids to play fumbleball.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It boils down a combination of:

no faith in the product
no courage
no vision
no strategy

I don't know a single successful business that hasn't grown its profits by developing new customer markets.
NRL's myopic view would be like Steven Jobs telling the guy with the idea for an Iphone to F*** off as they make computers.

It is a RL trait though, probably in our working class DNA. Know your place, dont get too big for your boots, leave ambition to those better equipped for it etc.
In the same time period RL has existed
Union has become an established International sport on all continents
Soccer has become a global giant
NFL has become a global brand
AFL has a national footprint
Basketball has become one of the most played games in the world

Top tier RL has a club in Melbourne and one in Toronto to show for its efforts!

Your definition of expansion is starve the goose that lays the golden egg and throw a buffet at the ones that were castrated and hope they end up like the Virgin Mary. When everything ends up barren you blame everyone else for it not working.

 

[Perth Red]

Your definition of expansion is starve the goose that lays the golden egg and throw a buffet at the ones that were castrated and hope they end up like the Virgin Mary. When everything ends up barren you blame everyone else for it not working.

Your notion of a good idea is to get rid of the biggest RL club in the world and split it into 4 struggling clubs. Genius lol

 

[blue bags]

how about the the NORTH COAST BEARS, playing in locations on the NSW north coast, from north Sydney oval, gosford central coast, and in other locations all up the coast, to GOLD COAST even BRISBANE suncorp stadium

 

[flippikat]

NRL's myopic view would be like Steven Jobs telling the guy with the idea for an Iphone to F*** off as they make computers.

Funny, but when you said that.. the first thought I had was XEROX and the 'XEROX Alto' - their Palo Alto Research Centre (XEROX PARC) famously created a computer with a graphical interface (point and click) in the 1970s, but management had little to no interest.

They did let Steve Jobs & some Apple employees in to have a look at it in 1979 - in exchange for some Apple shares.. and inadvertently gave Apple the keys to the kingdom.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

how about the the NORTH COAST BEARS, playing in locations on the NSW north coast, from north Sydney oval, gosford central coast, and in other locations all up the coast, to GOLD COAST even BRISBANE suncorp stadium

If it connected with Burleigh Bears, Tweeds Heads Seagulls and North Sydney Bears it could work.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Your notion of a good idea is to get rid of the biggest RL club in the world and split it into 4 struggling clubs. Genius lol

You don't know anything about rugby league in Brissie and its long history, yet you think you're in a position to determine how the game is run. Go read up on the history, learn what happened and why the Broncos were created and the problems it caused. The city ain't behind it like you think, but you don't care because all that floats around that brain of yours in when will the NRL put a team on your door step.

 

[Perth Red]

You don't know anything about rugby league in Brissie and its long history, yet you think you're in a position to determine how the game is run. Go read up on the history, learn what happened and why the Broncos were created and the problems it caused. The city ain't behind it like you think, but you don't care because all that floats around that brain of yours in when will the NRL put a team on your door step.

BIGGEST CLUB IN THE WORLD

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

BIGGEST CLUB IN THE WORLD

In a city of 2.5 million that is RL mad. Of course it is going to be the biggest club in the world. What's stupid is you want this RL mad city of 2.5 million to destroy its history and have just 2 clubs so you can plonk teams in smaller cities that hate the game and have little to no history.

RL in Brissie dates back to 1909 and IS BIGGER and MORE PRESTIGIOUS than the RFL. Get that through your skull.

Your ridiculous plan would be like destroying every key piece of literature that was ever written because you want to create room for future drawings that you want to be drawn by people who have no interest in art. You can grow the game without ripping up its foundations.

You're just a stupid troll.