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Gould reviewing Dragons.

Discussion in 'St George Illawarra Dragons' started by corvettedragon, Sep 6, 2019.

  1. Dennis Papaioannou

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    We were supposed to become a "Super Club" after the JV. Surely we should be judged with the same criteria as the Broncos, but we are not.
    McGregor gets treated with kid gloves by his media pals.
    It's nauseating.
     
  2. Forbes Creek Dragons

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    No definitely not, he’s had his time no doubt. I just hope they don’t rush and get any coach just for the sake of changing Mary. No one will admit it but a lot of the coaches out there would make very little difference to our team other than a free 2 year honeymoon period. There are a few that would make a difference maybe Bellamy, Bennett or Wane that would actually make a difference right now and that is mainly due to pulling power. The next tier down from them imo are the Paul Greens, Fitzy’s, Flanno’s of the world. They could put the polish on an already excellent squad but maybe not completely change the fortunes of a club overnight.
     
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  3. getsmarty

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    Agree Dennis...And if you go back to when he was signed ( Midway through 2014 ) you will find that I stated this back then.
     
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  4. TruSaint

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    Here's where I slightly disagree with you mate.

    Not that Mary doesn't get a Free press pass. he does. But in critique of the Broncos / Seibold drama, pundits have called out not only the coach, but the board for signing off on a 5 year deal with a novice / unproven coach.

    Heck even Lockyer said yesterday, he is unaware of any " performance criteria" in the Seibold deal.

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...r/news-story/c89f17a59747ea50a2dd1d05bffa8a5c

    In both cases, the performances are as a result of coaches appointed ( in our case appointed / extended / and then extended ), at the direction of incompetent boards.

    Broncos will fix this as they are liquid and wont stand for mediocrity. We appear unable to.

    Bottom line, some scrutiny on the JV's Directors by the press would be welcome, as Mary's sacking may end up being a band aid solution.
     
  5. Dennis Papaioannou

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    We don't disagree...even slightly.
     
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  6. Dennis Papaioannou

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    An astute judge you are my friend.
    I have never seen any coach appointed to a FG NRL team with McGregor's credentials.
    Total snow job based on nepotism alone.
     
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  7. getsmarty

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    Agree...although allegedly it seems to be more a case that they are reluctant to pay out the deal...they have the money according to media and other sources...
     
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  8. getsmarty

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    Not so sure about astute Dennis...my criteria was based on his results as our fitness trainer ( if my memory serves me correctly we had a horrendous run with injuries under his watch ) ...and the clincher was that Mr Bennett made him surplus to requirements ...that speaks volumes.
     
  9. TruSaint

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    Then the issue is even worse.

    I knew there was $$$ on both sides of the JV, but not willing to pay him out may cost us more in the long run.

    Mary isn't the cause. He is an inept coach, cushioned by the media, but isn't self employed.

    He is the result, and we need a new direction.

    Im convinced he will be gone next season, without any inside info. However, if he is replaced then by another novice, then rinse and repeat. Price / Mary / ( Insert-name).
     
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  10. Dennis Papaioannou

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    Coaches that could make a difference with immediate impact would include:
    Bennett - he would not only attract players but would clear out the dead wood in the first week of arriving at the club. He did it in 2009 and McGregor was one of the first ones shown the door.
    Robinson - No need to comment, he's not going anywhere.
    Bellamy - Same as Robinson.
    Toovey - Would be a revelation at St. George if he is given free reign.
    Fitzgibbon - has the right pedigree and background.
    Wane - Decorated ESL coach which means very little in the NRL IMO. Not for me but seems to be mentioned a lot..
    Madge - Can't deny that he is turning the Tigers around.
    Hasler - Really admire what Des has done at Manly.
    Most of these guys - if they were left alone for a season or two, could transform us into a finals Team.
    More importantly, they would attract top line playing talent and develop our juniors.
     
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    There seems to be a lot going on in the background......If I was a betting man, I'd would say he is gone at the end of this year...But if he survives, that wouldn't surprise me...
     
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    Stumbling block = The Board
     
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    I don't think the issue is the money. It's the love of the imposter coach, their mate that's the real issue
     
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    Pretty good list there Dennis.

    Imo, it's down to 4 (in no particular order):
    - Bennett: however Wayne is not a long term solution. As a 'coaching director', this where I'd have him, but not head coach.
    - Wane: as you say fantastic pedigree. He wasn't appointed England coach for no reason. Would bring toughness and mind set.
    - Fitzgibbon*: publicly stated he will wait 'till 2022.
    - Flannagan*: same boat as Fitzgibbon not available 'till 2022

    * i think there is some fluidity to them being 'appointed' earlier.

    Eddie Jones is another name being thrown about as wanting a crack at the NRL. I would seriously give him more than a glancing look.
     
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    Robbo and Des are not even in the question as they are long term contracted I’m talking about names off contract, coming off contract or that have at least been tossed up. Disagree about Toovey.
     
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    I agree with you, I also would look at Jones too. I think of the two clubs Sharks and Dogs he’s been liked to we would suit him better. We have some great juniors, he was going to sign Ryles as assistant for England, maybe he could sign Ryles as his assistant for us with a view to becoming our head coach.
     
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    Lockyer said that there is no performance criteria for Siebold at the Broncos. And here we thought only Saints are that dumb not to have such a thing in a coaches contract. Even the bigger clubs are as dumb as ours that we love.

    In a job that is purely based on results, performance based criteria should be the 1st thing you would add to a contract. If you don't perform to our standards you are out. Too easy. If a coach refuses to sign on based on performance criteria, then he clearly has doubt that he can bring any improvement or success to a club.

    After this debacle, I think Saints should offer 1 year deals to coaches and put in a clause, if the club makes the finals you automatically get another year and a certain % as a bonus or salary increase.

    I don't get why it seems so hard to negotiate this type of stuff when you are in the box seat.
     
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    It is supposed to be the clause that could save the Broncos millions if they decide to part ways with Anthony Seibold but it’s news to Darren Lockyer.

    The Broncos director and club legend had no prior knowledge of a performance-based termination clause in Seibold’s contract as first reported last year.

    The reports claimed the financial cost of sacking Seibold could be reduced if on-field performances were to blame.

    Obviously, given Brisbane’s predicament having lost five-straight games since the resumption of the season, such a clause would be handy if results go further south.

    But Lockyer said to his knowledge no such clause exists, further complicating matters for the proud club as they consider how to handle the current run of losses.

    “When the club is in this situation and you’ve lost five in a row, and some of those defeats have been large and embarrassing, you’re always going to question things,” Lockyer said on 100% Footy.

    “There’s a long-term contract there for Seibold. When we appointed him, we thought he was the right person to carry us into the next five years.

    “The clause that you’re referring to I know nothing about, it must be there from a board perspective because if there was I would know about it."

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...r/news-story/c89f17a59747ea50a2dd1d05bffa8a5c
     
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    I'd say Craig Young is working very hard to get Dean in the slot. I just hope on this occasion he fails.
     
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    I have said it many times. NRL management lvl employees have the IQ/ability of walnut stampers. An organisation that upholds Gould as an intellectual giant must have brains the size of peas
     
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