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Gould reviewing Dragons.

JohnnoMcJohnno

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Gould’s involvement to me reeks of a lack of guts on the part of our Club. If Mary goes, Gus will be the one who was responsible for it not BJ or the Board. If he stays BJ and crew can say “we took on board all the recommendations of the review”..... To be honest I think the second path will be the path taken. Mary will survive and we will hear all about stringent goals being set and MacGregor needing to get the team preforming in the first half of the season etc etc.....and Mary will fail.....again....and he will be gone before the end of the season but 2020 will be another write off.
Hope I’m wrong, but the Club will ‘save’ itself $600,000.

They will "save" $600k of Mary payouts but lose potentially much more than $600k of fan membership, sponsorship dollars and gate receipts.

Hope Brian Johnstone knows something about accounting.
 

TruSaint

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Gould’s involvement to me reeks of a lack of guts on the part of our Club. If Mary goes, Gus will be the one who was responsible for it not BJ or the Board. If he stays BJ and crew can say “we took on board all the recommendations of the review”..... To be honest I think the second path will be the path taken. Mary will survive and we will hear all about stringent goals being set and MacGregor needing to get the team preforming in the first half of the season etc etc.....and Mary will fail.....again....and he will be gone before the end of the season but 2020 will be another write off.
Hope I’m wrong, but the Club will ‘save’ itself $600,000.

THe article on wwos, clearly states that Mary and Gould met before Gould accepted the offer to join the review.

It also suggests that Mary's job is secure.

Nice pay day for Gus...
 

emu62

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I think Mary has run out of excuses of who to blame.Therefore a consultant (the great Gus Gould)is needed to help him out & come up with more excuses thus appearing more credible to the general public. Hope i am wrong but to me they will not be getting rid of the impersonator. It astounds me what a joke this club has become, very sad
They say Hornby has been told to leave, So this is How McF#wit takes full responsibility for our season, other people lose their jobs because of his incompetence. What a disgrace
Definitely not the characteristics of a so called " good Bloke", more like a low life scum
and what a surprise Dean Young gets to stay too,
 

TruSaint

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Being directly paid or not is irrelevant.

Gotta f**king laugh at some of the fans view on social media, suggesting that Gould wouldn't risk his reputation ..

Gus is a media machine. Its win win for him.

2020, Saints improve = Gus's magic.
2020, Saints fade = Gus having minimal say and his suggestions not implemented due to financial restraints. .

In the meantime, he will be the talking point for the weeks leading into next season, helping his various roles on TV, print and radio.

Good luck to him.

Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy Mary for next season.
 

SnowDragon

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A few reasons that a lot of people won’t agree with me on but will attempt to explain it, all with the understanding that I do realise he is a premiership winning coach.
1. When he won the premiership it was conveniently in between two years they got done for salary cap cheating, Dragons won’t get away with that.
2. The peptide saga is a huge turnoff to me.
3.Cronulla had a much stronger squad than us when they won the GF (rorting?) We need a rebuild.
4. My caveat for keeping Mary is that Gould overseas everything, I believe his input and advice would make a big difference.
5. Gould turned Penrith around, not on the park but indisputably off it, he could really strengthen our club and junior clubs.
6. If Flanno signs he will want 3 years, if he turns out to be a sideways trade it will be another 3 years of pain, if Mary fails he will undoubtedly be gone in one year or less, but we will still have Gould and could probably attract a top line coach. Remember he nearly got Bennett to the Panthers.

So in summary it’s not necessarily that I think Mary is a better coach but that I want Gould. I would prefer one more year with one man Mary, with a great chance to shake up the underlying issues which have dogged the club far longer than Mary has been coach than replace the “face” of the problems. Just like every coach the Dragons have had bar Bennett, the signs will be out sooner rather than later. Down with Brown, ice Price, Oust Doust, Fail Mary.
We have had problems from the top for a long time. I’m willing to have a year of pain knowing we are building and unless a Bellamy becomes available they are mostly sideways trades.

Thanks for explaining

I may not agree with it all, but it’s as valid an opinion as most, and explained with some basis. Cheers.

Worst case scenario he comes in, makes comments and leaves... but can you imagine Gould putting his name to bs and holding his real opinion? And not stating if the board goes different directions? He board will need to listen to another informed decision, and defend itself if it goes against that opinion. Maybe not the best outcome, but better than an unexplained continuation.

Best case we get a revamp and move in the right direction.

I am a little concerned about another rookie coach, but none of the experienced coaches are clearly the best. I would think Gould could recommend the best option, and I. The case of a rookie, mentor him.

And ... if they keep Mary, maybe he could remove the stupid to some extent... (but I cant see how they can keep Mary tbh)
 

getsmarty

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Dragons draft in Gould to help with end-of-season review
Author
Brad Walter NRL.com Senior Reporter
Timestamp
Fri 6 Sep 2019, 05:51 PM
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Phil Gould will begin a review of St George Illawarra football operations next week after being approached by Dragons coach Paul McGregor.

Gould, NSW’s most successful State of Origin coach and a two-time premiership-winning mentor with Canterbury and Penrith, has more than 30 years experience as a coach, administrator and commentator and is considered one of the most knowledgeable people in the game.

He was a guest at the annual Illawarra Rugby League luncheon in Wollongong, which was a roast in honour of McGregor and attended by many of his former team-mates and coaches.

McGregor later asked Gould to help out with St George Illawarra’s annual review of football operations and offer an outsider’s perspective on areas he and the club can improve.

After confirming his interest to Dragons CEO Brian Johnston, Gould will be involved with the review once the team’s season officially ends after Saturday’s match against Gold Coast at Cbus Super Stadium.

“Paul McGregor asked me a couple of weeks ago if I could provide an external set of eyes and ears over the Dragons' end-of-year review process,” Gould said. “I spoke with Brian Johnston this week. Brian, Paul and I will meet again next week after the Dragons' final game.”



Dragons out to honour milestones

While the specific details of Gould’s role are unclear, it is not expected that the review will lead to him taking on a permanent role with St George Illawarra.

Gould has previously been involved in end-of-season reviews at other clubs, most notably at North Queensland where he recommended to the Cowboys in 2010 that Neil Henry should remain as coach and Johnathan Thurston as captain.

“The end-of-year review process, conducted by every NRL club every year, represents part of the process of future planning,” Gould said.

“I’m happy to lend a hand. It's not a paid job. Every year, even during my time at Panthers, I get NRL coaches, assistant coaches, chairmen, CEOs and even players requesting to catch up and have a cup of coffee to talk about life, their football clubs and their careers. I've always been more than happy to help if I can.

“I’m looking forward to speaking with the Dragons club next week.”

Johnston said that while the club undertakes a review at the end of every year, it will have added significance this season given St George Illawarra’s disappointing 2019 campaign.

"Nobody at the club is happy with how the Dragons have performed and that's extended to all our stakeholders including members and supporters," Johnston said.

"We are committed to reviewing all aspects of our football department to ensure improvement in 2020."

There is no suggestion that McGregor’s job is under threat, and he is expected to commence his new two-year contract in 2020, but changes to the club’s coaching staff have been predicted.

A series of changes were made after the 2016 review overseen by a panel comprising former Dragons skipper Mark Coyne, sport scientist Dr Craig Duncan and performance specialists Dirk Melton and Clare Prideaux.

Among their recommendations was that McGregor leave recruitment decisions to St George Illawarra head of pathways Ian Millward so he could focus solely on coaching and the Dragons fell one win short of a finals berth in 2017 before finishing seventh last season after leading the premiership for 18 rounds.

Without the services of key forward Jack de Belin for the entire season due to the ARLC’s no-fault stand-down policy and captain Gareth Widdop for most of it after a shoulder injury, the Dragons have struggled and will finish 15th regardless of the result of Saturday’s match against Gold Coast.



Widdop reflects on Dragons memories

Tyson Frizell (ruptured testicle), James Graham (broken leg), Korbin Sims (broken arm), Corey Norman (fractured cheekbone), Tim Lafai (ankle), Zac Lomax (broken thumb) and Jeremy Latimore (knee) have also spent extended time on the sidelines.

Once the team was no longer in finals reckoning, Tariq Sims underwent surgery for a groin injury he had battled since round three and rookie winger Jason Saab had shoulder surgery, while hooker Cameron McInnes broke his leg in last weekend’s loss to Wests Tigers.

Besides the loss of Widdop (Warrington) and Jeremy Latimore (retiring), the Dragons roster will be largely unchanged in 2020, with the likes of Saab, Tristan Sailor and Jackson Ford expected to feature more regularly in the top team after making their debuts this season.

The club’s Canterbury Cup team are minor premiers and their under-20s are also in the finals of their NSWRL competition.


https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2019/09/06/dragons-draft-in-gould-to-help-with-end-of-season-review/
 

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