Greenberg wants 2nd Melb team

[Perth Red]

There is too much emotional investment in teams to just merge them, I think that is an easy option. Work out how to grow them and use their rivalry too the sports advantage. It's not like merging two businesses.

What's wrong with rugby league saturating Sydney? Damage the other sports not our clubs.

saturating, nothing. Over saturation everything. Clubs are businesses and need to generate revenue. To do this they need supporters and sponsors. It would seem, given all the facts we have, that there are not enough of either in Sydney to keep clubs viable as $30milion a year businesses. Either we need to bring down the cost of running an nrl club or generate more revenue at each club. So far they have not been able to achieve the latter. Crowds are at best static at most clubs, sponsors are increasingly harder to get and clubs are still pending poverty and relying on taking millions of $’s a year out of LC revenue which could be going to support jnr RL growth.

the only hope is if Vlandys can pull off a miracle and get every Sydney club a decent 25k modern stadium then we may see some movement, but that looks a very big IF.

all franchise businesses have a modelling to avoid over saturation that puts all franchises at risk.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Sydney people have accepted Newcastle, Wollongong, Canberra, 2 x Brisbane (1 killed by SL), Nth Qld, Perth (killed by SL), Auckland, Melbourne and Gold Coast. Is that not expansion?

Just want the balance, expansion and protect the traditional clubs.

Expansion should never come at the expense of the heartland.

There's an old saying, "charity begins at home." To feed a village you need a fertile farm. If you neglect the farm then everyone starves. The ARLC needs to make sure the heartland is fertile before venturing into sterile fumbleball wastelands.


AwFuL is hellbent on conquering Sydney and Brisbane. It'll be far easier for them to do so with less NRL clubs to compete against.

The next 20 years should be about consolidation of the heartland. Keep the existing 9 Sydney teams, unless, it becomes financially unviable and a consortium in Adelaide or Perth offer a proposition that will make the game stronger. Brisbane 2 and 3 are a necessity. Lions and Suns will wither up and die trying to compete against Brisbane 2 and 3 for corporate support, media coverage and fans. The Lions were $14M in debt a few years ago competing against just 1 NRL club.

Imagine how much harder things would have been for the Lions if they had to compete against 3 NRL clubs while staring down $14M debt?

 

[blue bags]

eagles, roosters, bears
gosford, brookvale, north Sydney oval
should be saturated with games
gosford, brookvale could have, should have games every weekend
north Sydney oval every few weeks, or 1 game a month at least
take care of the juniors, fans, in 1 of the biggest rugby league heartlands of the world
BEFORE AFail GETZ in there
central coast, northern beaches, greater northern western Sydney area
brookvale oval is going to get renovated.
central coast stadium is fantastic
north Sydney oval fantastic ground, alot of history, very well maintained
Sydney football stadium brand new soon, for roosters
at the moment, the northern Sydney area, central coast is a ghost town for fans
which is a disgrace
bears play at n Sydney oval, and brookie
eagles play at brookie, and central coast
roosters play at Sydney football stadium, and brookie, central coast
Brisbane get 1 or 2 relocated, or new teams
and in the long run, Melbourne gets another team
that would be 20 teams,

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

eagles, roosters, bears
gosford, brookvale, north Sydney oval
should be saturated with games
gosford, brookvale could have, should have games every weekend
north Sydney oval every few weeks, or 1 game a month at least
take care of the juniors, fans, in 1 of the biggest rugby league heartlands of the world
BEFORE AFail GETZ in there
central coast, northern beaches, greater northern western Sydney area
brookvale oval is going to get renovated.
central coast stadium is fantastic
north Sydney oval fantastic ground, alot of history, very well maintained
Sydney football stadium brand new soon, for roosters
at the moment, the northern Sydney area, central coast is a ghost town for fans
which is a disgrace
bears play at n Sydney oval, and brookie
eagles play at brookie, and central coast
roosters play at Sydney football stadium, and brookie, central coast
Brisbane get 1 or 2 relocated, or new teams
and in the long run, Melbourne gets another team
that would be 20 teams,

Having two teams playing at Brookvale would increase the likelihood of it being turned into a 21st century boutique stadium.

 

[greenBV4]

eagles, roosters, bears
gosford, brookvale, north Sydney oval
should be saturated with games
gosford, brookvale could have, should have games every weekend
north Sydney oval every few weeks, or 1 game a month at least
take care of the juniors, fans, in 1 of the biggest rugby league heartlands of the world
BEFORE AFail GETZ in there
central coast, northern beaches, greater northern western Sydney area
brookvale oval is going to get renovated.
central coast stadium is fantastic
north Sydney oval fantastic ground, alot of history, very well maintained
Sydney football stadium brand new soon, for roosters
at the moment, the northern Sydney area, central coast is a ghost town for fans
which is a disgrace
bears play at n Sydney oval, and brookie
eagles play at brookie, and central coast
roosters play at Sydney football stadium, and brookie, central coast
Brisbane get 1 or 2 relocated, or new teams
and in the long run, Melbourne gets another team
that would be 20 teams,

haha I don't think I've ever seen someone advocate for more games at brookvale, i thought even their own fans could admit its a dump!

Is it getting a proper reno? i thought it was council owned

 

[flippikat]

Brisbane get 1 or 2 relocated, or new teams
,

I doubt that Brisbane will ever accept a relocated Sydney club. Best options for relocation are Gosford (still within NSW), Adelaide, or Perth.. maybe NZ, because although we're a rugby (union & league) stronghold, we're not part of the NSW v Qld dynamic.

Look at AFL. When they relocated the Swans and Lions, they didn't move them to Adelaide or Perth.. they went to cities east of the Barassi line - Sydney & Brisbane. Preserve the heritage, embrace new horizons.

We have a lot to learn from that.

 

[blue bags]

New Brookvale Oval Centre of Excellence approved
Austadiums | Friday 7th August 2020

The long-awaited $33 million upgrade of Manly’s Brookvale Oval has been approved, with work on the new Centre of Excellence and grandstand to start within weeks.

Updated renders have been released for the new facility which will be a much-needed facelift for the home of the Manly Sea Eagles, often regarded as having the worst amenities of any NRL venue.

Representing the Sea Eagles, Chris Dare said last week that construction could start “almost immediately”, within “four to six weeks”.

A Northern Beaches Council commissioned report recommended the development application be rejected but the Sydney North Planning Panel over-ruled the arguments made by Council’s assessor and approved the development.

Council’s report said that the proposed development did not meet the plan of management for Brookvale Park, and would result in the removal of heritage listed trees at the northern end of the park to accommodate the new building.

The new facility will be located at the northern end of the stadium and the grandstand will feature undercover seating for 3,000 spectators.

The building will also include high performance, training and administration facilities for the club, elite level gym, aquatic recovery and rehab pools, food and beverage outlets, disability access and seating, new toilets, female changing rooms and multipurpose community education facilities and community meeting rooms.

Mr Dare said the project would be the “catalyst for the redevelopment of Brookvale Oval in the longer term” and that they had carefully planned where the new facilities would be located to allow the potential possibility of future development.

RELATED: BROOKVALE OVAL UPGRADE ONE STEP CLOSER

Redevelopment of the Northern Beaches stadium have been discussed over the past 20 years, none of which had come to fruition as a result of not being viable due to lack of funding, until now.

The funding has been secured from the NSW Government ($20 million), the Federal Government ($12.5 million), while the Sea Eagles have committed $600K to the project, which is expected to take 12-18 months to complete.

The Brookvale Oval playing surface will also be upgraded following the conclusion of the 2020 NRL season.

LOTTOLANDBROOKVALE OVAL REDEVELOPMENTNRL

https://www.austadiums.com/news/news.php?id=807

need consolidate what nrl has, turn it into an asset, not neglect it
turn brookie into a smaller bankwest stadium

 

[greenBV4]

New Brookvale Oval Centre of Excellence approved
Austadiums | Friday 7th August 2020

The long-awaited $33 million upgrade of Manly’s Brookvale Oval has been approved, with work on the new Centre of Excellence and grandstand to start within weeks.

Updated renders have been released for the new facility which will be a much-needed facelift for the home of the Manly Sea Eagles, often regarded as having the worst amenities of any NRL venue.

Representing the Sea Eagles, Chris Dare said last week that construction could start “almost immediately”, within “four to six weeks”.

A Northern Beaches Council commissioned report recommended the development application be rejected but the Sydney North Planning Panel over-ruled the arguments made by Council’s assessor and approved the development.

Council’s report said that the proposed development did not meet the plan of management for Brookvale Park, and would result in the removal of heritage listed trees at the northern end of the park to accommodate the new building.

The new facility will be located at the northern end of the stadium and the grandstand will feature undercover seating for 3,000 spectators.

The building will also include high performance, training and administration facilities for the club, elite level gym, aquatic recovery and rehab pools, food and beverage outlets, disability access and seating, new toilets, female changing rooms and multipurpose community education facilities and community meeting rooms.

Mr Dare said the project would be the “catalyst for the redevelopment of Brookvale Oval in the longer term” and that they had carefully planned where the new facilities would be located to allow the potential possibility of future development.

RELATED: BROOKVALE OVAL UPGRADE ONE STEP CLOSER

Redevelopment of the Northern Beaches stadium have been discussed over the past 20 years, none of which had come to fruition as a result of not being viable due to lack of funding, until now.

The funding has been secured from the NSW Government ($20 million), the Federal Government ($12.5 million), while the Sea Eagles have committed $600K to the project, which is expected to take 12-18 months to complete.

The Brookvale Oval playing surface will also be upgraded following the conclusion of the 2020 NRL season.

LOTTOLANDBROOKVALE OVAL REDEVELOPMENTNRL

https://www.austadiums.com/news/news.php?id=807

need consolidate what nrl has, turn it into an asset, not neglect it
turn brookie into a smaller bankwest stadium

That development smells a bit like lipstick on a pig

Its a nice state of the art centre of excellence, but 3000 undercover seats is hardly groundbreaking and still leaves the venue below what should be an NRL standard IMO

If Manly want to secure their long term future they need to find themselves a better stadium, wherever this may be.. keep brooky as the home training venue

 

[blue bags]

Brookvale Park includes Brookvale Oval and an open park (the village green) which we manage and maintain for the Northern Beaches community. Affectionately known as “Fortress Brookie”, Brookvale Oval is home to the Sea Eagles rugby league team and the Brookie Show.

Centre of Excellence - Construction notice
The Many Sea Eagles Football Club have obtained development consent to build a Centre of Excellence at the northern end of Brookvale Park

The Centre of Excellence includes a new 3000 seat undercover grandstand, food and drink facilities, a state-of-the-art gym, rehabilitation pools and multipurpose education facilities set entirely within the footprint of the sporting field precinct area.

Temporarily there will be access limitations to various areas of the park during construction. These include:

• fencing around compound areas
• closures of some areas to facilitate utility connections and relocations
• closure of the driveway off Alfred St to facilitate truck movements to and from the site

The community is encouraged to take note of all safety signage and direction by workers at the site.

The project is expected to take between 12-18 months.

For more information about the project and any queries please contact the Sea Eagles(Opens in a new window).

https://www.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/things-to-do/recreation-area/brookvale-oval-and-park

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The eastern terraces at Brookvale and Wollongong need a grand stand.

 

[blue bags]

Manly chairman Scott Penn has called for the state government to redirect its funding focus towards suburban grounds, starting with the transformation of his NRL club's home stadium at Brookvale into a "mini Bankwest".

The first step in upgrading Lottoland began on Friday when construction began on a $33.1 million centre of excellence and northern grandstand. An additional 3000 seats will be added to the venue with a view to having the project completed in time for the start of the 2022 NRL season.

"It's about working with government to ensure we achieve their outcomes and ours."

The master plan for the COE and additional 3000 seats is structured in a way that would allow for a total stadium rebuild in the future without affecting the initial upgrades. ADCO Constructions will build the initial project.

"It's going to be great," said Sea Eagles backrower Jake Trbojevic.

"Obviously we love playing here. Me and [brother] Tom grew up playing here, so it's really special.

"To have this facility here with another 3000 seats in the stadium is extremely exciting.

"It's a ground that has a lot of character. When you get a decent crowd here, it's very special to play here. With this facility and the grandstand [coming], we're really excited."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ma...ale-into-a-mini-bankwest-20201016-p565tp.html

 

[blue bags]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/br...overnment-funding-pledge-20190208-p50wma.html

 

[The_Frog]

need consolidate what nrl has, turn it into an asset, not neglect it
turn brookie into a smaller bankwest stadium

A damn lot smaller, for $33m.

 

[blue bags]

That development smells a bit like lipstick on a pig

Its a nice state of the art centre of excellence, but 3000 undercover seats is hardly groundbreaking and still leaves the venue below what should be an NRL standard IMO

If Manly want to secure their long term future they need to find themselves a better stadium, wherever this may be.. keep brooky as the home training venue

no NRL team needs a stadium to train on
many NRL titles, have been Won at brookie
brookie has always been a rugby league home ground in the heartlands of rugby league
brookie should be an asset for the NRL, huge advantage for the eagles, thats why they have been very successful playing there,
be grounded, down to earth, rusted on rugby league fans, you cant ignore them, let them wither away on the vine, to other sports, hobbies
the whole area needs to be rugby league heartland
we have 5 stadiums there, Newcastle, central coast, brookie, n Sydney oval, S F S
they all should be NRL home grounds

 

[reanimate]

That development smells a bit like lipstick on a pig

Its a nice state of the art centre of excellence, but 3000 undercover seats is hardly groundbreaking and still leaves the venue below what should be an NRL standard IMO

If Manly want to secure their long term future they need to find themselves a better stadium, wherever this may be.. keep brooky as the home training venue

It needs to be something north of the harbour bridge, it’s dumb that you can go from Bankwest to ANZ in 15-20 minutes, then from ANZ to Allianz in ~30 minutes, but there’s nothing north of the bridge better than Brookvale Oval. Ideally it would be a ~25k ground to be used for RL, RU, soccer and events, it’s something sorely needed in the area.

 

[flippikat]

It needs to be something north of the harbour bridge, it’s dumb that you can go from Bankwest to ANZ in 15-20 minutes, then from ANZ to Allianz in ~30 minutes, but there’s nothing north of the bridge better than Brookvale Oval. Ideally it would be a ~25k ground to be used for RL, RU, soccer and events, it’s something sorely needed in the area.

True, but what's the transport to Brookvale going to be like?

From the comments I've seen here, Brookie seems to be quite a mission to get over to, unless you're right nearby - and several others have suggested other locations for a "north of the bridge" stadium.

If there's gonna be more money sunk into Brookvale, transport links HAVE to be good, or else it's never gonna pull decent numbers from anywhere beyond the immediately surrounding suburbs.

 

[reanimate]

True, but what's the transport to Brookvale going to be like?

From the comments I've seen here, Brookie seems to be quite a mission to get over to, unless you're right nearby - and several others have suggested other locations for a "north of the bridge" stadium.

If there's gonna be more money sunk into Brookvale, transport links HAVE to be good, or else it's never gonna pull decent numbers from anywhere beyond the immediately surrounding suburbs.

It’ll be bus only for the foreseeable future. I can’t see any form of rail being built to the peninsula any time soon. It’s the journey to Wynyard, plus the trip to Brookvale that makes it a mission via public transport for people travelling from other regions of Sydney. It’s the exact scenario Manly fans face in reverse to get to any other stadium, it’s a symptom of Sydney’s huge size and poor transport infrastructure. For the same reason though, it makes zero sense to force Manly into playing out of the SFS, ANZ or anywhere else.

Other locations might be theoretically better, but, for example, I can’t see the state government redeveloping large areas of Chatswood (narrow streets and the land is bordered by the rail line) to make Chatswood Oval into a viable site. NSO has the heritage listed stands and will more than likely stay an oval, even after money has been thrown at it. Other large parcels of land set aside for sport and entertainment include Rat Park and St Ives Showground, but they’re even worse in terms of transport links and travel time than Brookvale.

 

[The Great Dane]

really?
apart from
johns and Fittler
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/nrl-an...shake-up/27aad7fa-0a42-4461-9bc2-80b2a38bb1d2

the Ch9 director of sport
https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league/nrl-club-to-be-axed-for-new-brisbane-team-c-429644

paul kent
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...b/news-story/91d8998b59b769ea82eed8285c770098

Anthony Griffin
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/anthony-griffin-nrl-needs-debate-on-relocation-not-expansion/news-story/3d9c41954978bd9b2c96f4b156f1e0af&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

thurston
https://ultramanagement.com.au/jt-says-hed-support-relocating-an-nrl-club-to-brisbane/

David Gallop when Ceo
https://www.brisbanebombers.com.au/...-will-commit-to-relocation-david-gallop-says/

John ribot
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ex...se-of-sydney-clubs-ribot-20190319-p515kt.html

And many more over last few years

Kent flip flops on the subject whenever it's convenient to create controversy.

Griffin, Gallop, and Ribot aren't media personalities and hold little to no influence in the game anymore.

Fittler and Thurston are in the same boat as Johns. They are massively outnumbered and nobody takes their opinions on such subjects seriously.

If we are talking about media driven agendas, which we were, then it would be pretty unlikely for the minority opinion held in the media to be the media's agenda wouldn't it.

 

[The Great Dane]

Spot on. The Bears brand has some merit in bringing it back, but the only two ways I can see it working in the long term are either

a) as a whole of Northern Sydney "reset" where Manly goes to NSW Cup, and the Bears become the club for all Sydney suburbs North of the bridge (note: NOT including the Central Coast), or

b) transplanting the club, the brand, the jersey entirely to somewhere Interstate (Qld, WA, SA) or New Zealand as an expansion team. Again, not the Central Coast - as I believe this should be a relocation option for a currently existing Sydney NRL club. That of course depends on the Bears committing fully to it, and finding a willing host city with NRL aspirations and a sound business plan. Under this idea, the Bears would cede their district to a neighbouring team - Manly if they stay in Sydney, probably Roosters if Manly relocate to the Central Coast or elsewhere.

Just plonking them into an ALREADY oversaturated market is nuts.

A. is a terrible idea which would just alienate and confuse people.

I'm not saying B. is a terrible idea or shouldn't happen, but in reality what real benefits would there be to B. over just introducing a new club. Not very many I reckon.

 

[The Great Dane]

Ha ha ha..........is that the best you've got? Give me a few other articles. Not something from Caro...pleeeeasseee.

A slow news day and she rolls out the old move North arguement. She's just a fog horn, nobody takes her seriously down here.

Did James Brayshaw reply???

Stop trying to poison the well by attacking Caroline Wilson, because honestly I couldn't give a shit about your opinion of the women, and instead try refuting the substance of the article instead!

Are you saying that club presidents aren't calling for a review of the AFL and AFL commission that would include a review of the clubs?

Are you calling Andrew Pridham a liar?

If not then what's wrong with the article?

Here's another article on the subject that's not by Wilson- https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ependent-review-into-afl-20201015-p565em.html

It's also not the first time that Kennett has talked about rationalising the AFL this year- https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/704788/jeff-s-letter-to-members

I hope that in the not too distant future we can agree on a set of KPIs for all clubs, which in part will ensure an improvement for all clubs, and the AFL’s financial position.
The timeline for these KPIs should be three years with an evaluation taking place in the third year of performance. If clubs and their Boards do not meet the KPIs set, they should be relegated to the VFL.
No longer can non-performance be supported. This is not directed at any club and is only prospective. Emotion alone is not sufficient a reason for non-performance.