Greenberg wants 2nd Melb team

[titoelcolombiano]

No, there are 700,000 to 1 million people in the north of Sydney and central coast who have no team.

Doesn't stop AFL and RU from growing in that region

 

[greenBV4]

Doesn't stop AFL and RU from growing in that region

Exactly!
All this says is that none of the 9 clubs in Sydney can manage city wide appeal

East are taking steps in the right direction, looking to take over the the North and hopefully they succeed. Manly have outright failed at expanding out of their little peninsular

 

[Perth Red]

Doesn't stop AFL and RU from growing in that region

This is the irony of using the AFL threat to justify an NRL team in every suburb! AFL can be a threat with just two clubs in the whole city, but somehow if NRL has less than 9 we are in trouble? How does that work????

Exactly!
All this says is that none of the 9 clubs in Sydney can manage city wide appeal

East are taking steps in the right direction, looking to take over the the North and hopefully they succeed. Manly have outright failed at expanding out of their little peninsular

That's the real elephant in the room, despite having 3 NRL clubs within geographical reach of the whole of Northern Sydney region somehow those clubs cant appeal to the fans in that area?

Chatswood to Bankwest 26km
Chatswood to Brookvale 13km
Chatswood to Allianz 13km

All very do-able distances to follow a club.

 

[blue bags]

Doesn't stop AFL and RU from growing in that region

thats right, the whole area is very very important to the NRL
and guess what, we the NRL have been neglecting it, for way too long
which is a ff disgrace. the whole area should be pumping with NRL fans
massive growth in population, its like someone has been asleep at the wheel

 

[LeagueXIII]

True, but they have had a club that was deeply entrenched in the community ripped from them. People have moved on to other things.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

thats right, the whole area is very very important to the NRL
and guess what, we the NRL have been neglecting it, for way too long
which is a ff disgrace. the whole area should be pumping with NRL fans
massive growth in population, its like someone has been asleep at the wheel

The QRL has been just as lazy with Logan. It has over 325,000 residents and around 14 RL clubs, with the number growing. It is a dyed in the wool RL city and produces lots of talent for the NRL. It's been over 17 years since the Scorpions were forced to fold, due to the extravagant lease the Logan City Council forced them to sign in 1988. Only now are they talking about putting a team here.

 

[blue bags]

This is the irony of using the AFL threat to justify an NRL team in every suburb! AFL can be a threat with just two clubs in the whole city, but somehow if NRL has less than 9 we are in trouble? How does that work????



That's the real elephant in the room, despite having 3 NRL clubs within geographical reach of the whole of Northern Sydney region somehow those clubs cant appeal to the fans in that area?

Chatswood to Bankwest 26km
Chatswood to Brookvale 13km
Chatswood to Allianz 13km

All very do-able distances to follow a club.

Chatswood to Bankwest 26km, about 50min drive, or little less, or little more. depends on the time and traffic . or 2 trains

Chatswood to Brookvale 13km. 30 min drive , or buses easy , no trains in the area

Chatswood to Allianz 13km its all freeway, motorway, empress lanes.
harbor bridge, harbor tunnel, 15 min drive you be there, or trains easy, and a walk or bus

 

[mongoose]

This is the irony of using the AFL threat to justify an NRL team in every suburb! AFL can be a threat with just two clubs in the whole city, but somehow if NRL has less than 9 we are in trouble? How does that work????



That's the real elephant in the room, despite having 3 NRL clubs within geographical reach of the whole of Northern Sydney region somehow those clubs cant appeal to the fans in that area?

Chatswood to Bankwest 26km
Chatswood to Brookvale 13km
Chatswood to Allianz 13km

All very do-able distances to follow a club.

whats even stupider is every AFL club in melbourne is within a 10km radius of the CBD... there are millions of people in Melbourne on the outskirts not even represented by a Team!!! how can they sleep at night leaving this territory open to other sports like this?

 

[greenBV4]

whats even stupider is every AFL club in melbourne is within a 10km radius of the CBD... there are millions of people in Melbourne on the outskirts not even represented by a Team!!! how can they sleep at night leaving this territory open to other sports like this?

Exactly..

BTW the answer is that the afl clubs manage to have city wide appeal, and aren't just limited to the suburb they were initially named after

The answer to areas like North Sydney isn't new/revived clubs, its the current clubs getting of their asses and doing something about it

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Does the Victorian Gov offer free travel to AwFuL games?

In Queensland the state government offers free railway travel all over the south-east, but cannot do shit about buses as they're run by local gov. So if you live in Logan, Ipswich, Redland, Gold Coast, Moreton Bay or Sunshine Coast and aren't near a train line then you to drive to one, which can be a real hassle. There's not always going to be adequate parking and there's still a fair walk from Lang Park to the nearest train stop.

If you live in Logan and wish to catch the bus, you will need to drive to Eight Miles Plains Bus Station, which is always full when the Broncos play and can take up to 20-30 minutes to find a park.

For this reason, I think the idea of having just 2 teams in Brisbane and basing them out of Lang Park will hurt crowds for both the Broncos and Brisbane 2. The only solution is boutique stadiums in Logan, Ipswich and Moreton Bay, and push for crowds of 15,000-18,000 at each ground.

Broncos/Lang Park 30k
South Brisbane/Logan 18k
West Brisbane/Ipswich 18k
North Brisbane/Moreton Bay 18k
TOTAL 84k

Getting 84k people from Greater Brisbane to attend NRL games each fortnight, as opposed to the 30k that patronise the Broncos, is better for the game and trouble for the Lions and Reds.

 

[mongoose]

Does the Victorian Gov offer free travel to AwFuL games?

In Queensland the state government offers free railway travel all over the south-east, but cannot do shit about buses as they're run by local gov. So if you live in Logan, Ipswich, Redland, Gold Coast, Moreton Bay or Sunshine Coast and aren't near a train line then you to drive to one, which can be a real hassle. There's not always going to be adequate parking and there's still a fair walk from Lang Park to the nearest train stop.

If you live in Logan and wish to catch the bus, you will need to drive to Eight Miles Plains Bus Station, which is always full when the Broncos play and can take up to 20-30 minutes to find a park.

For this reason, I think the idea of having just 2 teams in Brisbane and basing them out of Lang Park will hurt crowds for both the Broncos and Brisbane 2. The only solution is boutique stadiums in Logan, Ipswich and Moreton Bay, and push for crowds of 15,000-18,000 at each ground.

Broncos/Lang Park 30k
South Brisbane/Logan 18k
West Brisbane/Ipswich 18k
North Brisbane/Moreton Bay 18k
TOTAL 84k

Getting 84k people from Greater Brisbane to attend NRL games each fortnight, as opposed to the 30k that patronise the Broncos, is better for the game and trouble for the Lions and Reds.

I don't see it happening. I imagine the NRL would be trying to replicate the Broncos or a mini version of them for the next Brisbane team, not create Brisbane's version of Manly, Cronulla and Penrith.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I don't see it happening. I imagine the NRL would be trying to replicate the Broncos or a mini version of them for the next Brisbane team, not create Brisbane's version of Manly, Cronulla and Penrith.

How can the NRL create another Broncos?

No other RL/RU club on this planet is as big as the Broncos. The likelihood of there ever being another RL or RU team on this planet as big and strong as the Broncos is tiny.

Can you name another RL or RU club that averages 30k?

 

[blue bags]

Does the Victorian Gov offer free travel to AwFuL games?

In Queensland the state government offers free railway travel all over the south-east, but cannot do shit about buses as they're run by local gov. So if you live in Logan, Ipswich, Redland, Gold Coast, Moreton Bay or Sunshine Coast and aren't near a train line then you to drive to one, which can be a real hassle. There's not always going to be adequate parking and there's still a fair walk from Lang Park to the nearest train stop.

If you live in Logan and wish to catch the bus, you will need to drive to Eight Miles Plains Bus Station, which is always full when the Broncos play and can take up to 20-30 minutes to find a park.

For this reason, I think the idea of having just 2 teams in Brisbane and basing them out of Lang Park will hurt crowds for both the Broncos and Brisbane 2. The only solution is boutique stadiums in Logan, Ipswich and Moreton Bay, and push for crowds of 15,000-18,000 at each ground.

Broncos/Lang Park 30k
South Brisbane/Logan 18k
West Brisbane/Ipswich 18k
North Brisbane/Moreton Bay 18k
TOTAL 84k

Getting 84k people from Greater Brisbane to attend NRL games each fortnight, as opposed to the 30k that patronise the Broncos, is better for the game and trouble for the Lions and Reds.

fully agree, fantastic insights to the Brisbane footie scene, smart ideas, well thought out ideas. are whatz needed, not a rush at the gate ideas, good one

 

[greenBV4]

Does the Victorian Gov offer free travel to AwFuL games?

As far as I'm aware they don't

If people from the outskirts of a city of 5 million can make it to Central stadiums im sure the people of Brisbane, with less than half the population, can do the same if they wish

Sydney gets a pass because their roads and rail are a shambles

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

As far as I'm aware they don't

If people from the outskirts of a city of 5 million can make it to Central stadiums im sure the people of Brisbane, with less than half the population, can do the same if they wish

Sydney gets a pass because their roads and rail are a shambles

For major events it is a hassle people will take on, but when it's all over and they arrive home after midnight, they will remember why they don't do it every fortnight.

Brisbane's infrastructure hasn't evolved to support the population explosion that began in the late 80s. Commuting into the city each day takes far longer these days. In the 90s it wasn't so bad, but these days it is horrible, especially during peak hour, which is when games at Lang Park are held. The Clem Jones Toll Way Tunnel that was built turned out to be a dud, as it costs a fortune just to drive on it for a few minutes, so most people avoid it. The reason it was built was to ease congestion, but with virtually no one using it, the traffic on the old roads is worse than ever.

It might be alright for football fans from the City of Brisbane who live close to a bus station, but what about those from Logan, Ipswich, Redland and Moreton Bay?

Getting from the northern suburbs of Logan to the new estates in the southern outskirts of the city, Flagstone and Yarrabilba, takes over half an hour on a good day. Add another 30-45 minutes travel from the northern suburbs of Logan to Lang Park, after trying to find a park and waiting for a bus at Eight Mile Plains Bus Station, and it's a bastard of a trip. Depending on how many people are queuing up, a supporter might have 2, 3 or more buses come and leave before they're on one.

 

[Perth Red]

Its an interesting one re Broncos attendance. whilst no other rugby (sic) club comes close it is also very unique scenario where you have a city of 2.5million people with one rugby club where either code of Rugby is the dominant sport. Pretty much every city in Europe football is the dominant code and the only other major cities Rl is dominant in have more than one club.
I cant really think of another one that comes anywhere close. If the answer is to dilute that unique scenario into 2, 3 or 4 clubs is an interesting test for the popularity of RL in Brisbane and how many people are genuinely crying out for an alternative club to follow there, I dont see a lot of public generated demand.
For a new club to generate an 18,000 avg attendance they will need a 25,000 capacity stadium at least (sold out games making up for the crap drawing games). You also get the sense we will be saddled with Broncos thurs night, Brisbane2 Friday night every week which isn't going to help their attendance growth.

Looking at the map you can get a 40min train from Logan to South Brisbane station then a 10min walk to the ground. I get that isnt going to be popular for weeknight games that dont finish till after 10pm! one of the blights of being so beholden to TV revenue.
Whats the chances of Qlnd Govt building a 25k stadium in Logan area?

For Redcliffe you can get Northgate to Milton in just less than 40min.

I think the reality is wherever they play most people are going to have to travel 30-40min or you are going to end up with Cronulla or Manly sized crowds if you become too suburban in mentality.

 

[reanimate]

Doesn't stop AFL and RU from growing in that region

AFL and RU aren't very big either, outside of pockets in Mosman, Gordon etc.

It's a symptom of the poor sports infrastructure in Sydney's north, there are no good stadiums and if you don't live in the Lower North Shore, the SFS and SCG aren't very accessible.

 

[blue bags]

at 1zt, have the new Melbourne team play at AMMI. and the new Brisbane team playing at Suncorp
and both teams can play a few games at another suburban ground each year, and build up a fanbaze

 

[blue bags]

AFL and RU aren't very big either, outside of pockets in Mosman, Gordon etc.

It's a symptom of the poor sports infrastructure in Sydney's north, there are no good stadiums and if you don't live in the Lower North Shore, the SFS and SCG aren't very accessible.

thats right , thats why brookvale, gozford are very important

 

[reanimate]

That's the real elephant in the room, despite having 3 NRL clubs within geographical reach of the whole of Northern Sydney region somehow those clubs cant appeal to the fans in that area?

Chatswood to Bankwest 26km
Chatswood to Brookvale 13km
Chatswood to Allianz 13km

All very do-able distances to follow a club.

The real elephant in the room is that there are/will be three good stadiums to serve the six NRL clubs between Bondi and Parramatta, yet the only stadium in Northern Sydney for NRL, and rectangular sport in general, is Brookvale Oval.