Greenberg wants 2nd Melb team

[magpie_man]

Even if its a crap/unimpressive product(AFL ) its got its act together! ?

The thing is: the AFL won't go on propping up the smaller Melbourne-based clubs forever.
The likes of St Kilda, North Melbourne, the Demons and the Bulldogs will be forced to relocate, merge or fold eventually - just like South Melbourne and Fitzroy were.

 

[Perth Red]

The thing is: the AFL won't go on propping up the smaller Melbourne-based clubs forever.
The likes of St Kilda, North Melbourne, the Demons and the Bulldogs will be forced to relocate, merge or fold eventually - just like South Melbourne and Fitzroy were.

Not unless there is a club revolt by the big clubs and threat of a breakaway. And I see no signs that would ever happen in AFL. Reality is AFL props up the failing clubs and expansion clubs by paying less to the rich clubs. Its very socialist but works for them.

They also have to sell nine games so need 18 clubs

 

[Stallion]

The thing is: the AFL won't go on propping up the smaller Melbourne-based clubs forever.
The likes of St Kilda, North Melbourne, the Demons and the Bulldogs will be forced to relocate, merge or fold eventually - just like South Melbourne and Fitzroy were.

Dont think so! Too much of an established fanbase Australia wide. Dancing with the devil is not wise. Look at rugby league in North Sydney! Virtually goooone!

 

[Perth Red]

Dont think so! Too much of an established fanbase Australia wide. Dancing with the devil is not wise. Look at rugby league in North Sydney! Virtually goooone!

The Bears need to spend some time with the NRLWA or Newtown Jets and learn how you can make RL thrive without an NRL team and in the face of stiff competition! You'd think being in RL heartland and having a multi million $ revenue from pokies would be enough to sustain the Jnr and grassroots game wouldn't you?

If you have to have a NRL team in your suburb to keep kids interested in playing the game in Sydney I'd suggest your pretty sht at your job!

 

[Stallion]

The Bears need to spend some time with the NRLWA or Newtown Jets and learn how you can make RL thrive without an NRL team and in the face of stiff competition! You'd think being in RL heartland and having a multi million $ revenue from pokies would be enough to sustain the Jnr and grassroots game wouldn't you?

Nope. It's a district area not suburb for a start! The demographic is private school and Anglo-Saxon heritage in North Sydney. They expect a top flight status NRL team. Newtown has a far more ethnically diverse and working class background. The code is enjoyment to these people. It's more of a status thing with the North Sydney situation. Mind you they enjoy it but require top flight status for this enjoyment and ownership to happen. It's very different as explained to you earlier PR!

 

[Perth Red]

wow didn't realise expectation of having an NRL team was based on colour and class lol
Pretty sure that if RL is being put on at my school and a NRL star from any club came along as an 8 year old Id get into the game, regardless of my colour, parents salary or NRL club in town. Pretty sure there are some areas of Perth that would fit your description of population where RL is growing without an NRL club.

Be honest todays lack of growth in NS is down to poor interventions by the NRL and Bears, not removal 20 years ago of an already failing team that had moved to a different city anyways.

Newtown succeeded in coping with the loss, Perth has recovered from the loss, Darwin is growing fine with no hint of ever having a NRL team, pretty much every suburb of Brisbane is thriving with only one NRL team for the entire city.

If Bears stopped worrying about getting back in and put their energies into growing grassroots in NS things may be alot different.

 

[Stallion]

wow didn't realise expectation of having an NRL team was based on colour and class lol
Pretty sure that if RL is being put on at my school and a NRL star from any club came along as an 8 year old Id get into the game, regardless of my colour, parents salary or NRL club in town. Pretty sure there are some areas of Perth that would fit your description of population where RL is growing without an NRL club.

Be honest todays lack of growth in NS is down to poor interventions by the NRL and Bears, not removal 20 years ago of an already failing team that had moved to a different city anyways.

Newtown succeeded in coping with the loss, Perth has recovered from the loss, Darwin is growing fine with no hint of ever having a NRL team, pretty much every suburb of Brisbane is thriving with only one NRL team for the entire city.

If Bears stopped worrying about getting back in and put their energies into growing grassroots in NS things may be alot different.

Wrong ! The BEARS exit is absolutely the main reason for a decline in rugby league in this area! We have been through this before but I know it's PR! Yes all over again folks! Just for this time wasting discourse! And my demographic comment was a generalisation. Not absolute but a reflection of difference between these two areas. I'd like to think you could have worked that out!? Perhaps conveniently for your tiresome and pesky stance not so?!

 

[LeagueXIII]

Nope. The demographic is private school and Anglo-Saxon heritage in North Sydney. They expect a top flight status NRL team. Newtown has a far more ethnically diverse and working class background. The code is enjoyment to these people. It's more of a status thing with the North Sydney situation. Mind you they enjoy it but require top flight status for this enjoyment and ownership to happen. It's very different as explained to you earlier PR!

Exactly....Newtown virtually just faded out of the big time comp without a wimper as opposed to the Bears who were able to keep going were coming off the back of a very successful decade and were basically executed. Very different indeed.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Wrong ! The BEARS exit is absolutely the main reason for a decline in rugby league in this area! We have been through this before but I know it's PR! Yes all over again folks! Just for this time wasting discourse! And my demographic comment was a generalisation. Not absolute but a reflection of difference between these two areas. I'd like to think you could have worked that out!? Perhaps conveniently for your tiresome and pesky stance not so?!

Strongly agree league is a shadow of what it was in the area when the Bears were in the top flight....only a sport like rugby league would turn it's back on it's support and give it over to other codes.

 

[The Great Dane]

The self serving rantings of Eddie McGuire does not constitute a near revolt. The take from the rich, give to the poor mentality of the AFL is propping up teams in Vic just as much as in Qld and NSW, they are not rocking that boat any time soon. The rich clubs can frankly afford it, they might not like it, but its not such a burden to prompt revolt.

For now it's not, but wait until some lean times come along...

99% of Vic AFL fans are not happy about expansion, but no one is alienated or switching codes.

Why would you expect them to switch codes?

They aren't just suddenly going to become fans of other codes to spite the AFL, they'll just start switching off if it becomes a big deal.

And besides I was talking about the clubs themselves more so then the fans...

Also the AFL owns all the intellectual property of all 18 clubs so there will never be a revolt.

The ARL owned the intellectual property of the ARL clubs as well, didn't do a damn thing to stop SL... Not that I'm suggesting that the AFL is headed for a SL situation, I doubt that would happen.

However I can see some of the clubs getting the shits with the AFL and rebelling against the people in power or attempting to wrestle control away from the AFL commission, I can even see some of the clubs taking them to court over some of their rules (and they'd probably have a case too).

Revolt can take many forms not just a rebel competition being set up...

 

[The Great Dane]

Exactly....Newtown virtually just faded out of the big time comp without a wimper as opposed to the Bears who were able to keep going were coming off the back of a very successful decade and were basically executed. Very different indeed.

Bull shit!

Newtown didn't have the money to take the NSWRL to court like the Magpies and later the Rabbits did, so they were forced to accept their fate, that doesn't mean that they went down with a whimper cause they fought it right to the end of their means. Also Newtown were coming off a successful period too, it could reasonably be argued that they were coming off a more successful period then the Bears had before they were dropped, I mean they did compete in the grand final in 81, two years before they were dropped.

And neither Newtown or the Bears were executed (that's what happened to the likes of Annandale and Glebe!), both are still around today and neither ceased operations after being dropped from the top league. If you are suggesting that the Bears were abandoned by the league well even that isn't fair, they were part of a merger that fell apart (and they weren't innocent victims in that situation either), the league did pretty much everything in their power to keep them in the first grade short of giving them a license once the merger fell apart (and thank god they didn't cause all of the mergers would have dissolved straight away).
Newtown on the other hand were literally voted out of the NSWRL, they were literally kicked out under a rationalisation plan along with Wests (who fought their way back in through the courts), so if anything Newtown were the ones that were "basically executed" and not the Bears...

Why don't you and Stallion just admit that you have a strange double standard when it comes to the Bears, and that you don't really care all that much about Sydney's historical clubs and traditions and you're only really in it for the Bears for some strange reason, probably because you remember the Bears from your childhood but clubs like Newtown and the ones that came before are before your time and their for aren't as important to you.
If you just admitted that you have a contradiction in your thinking then I could take you more seriously, cause at least you recognise and accept it, but trying to persist with the allusion that you don't have an irreconcilable contradiction in your philosophy (for lack of a better word) about the sport and how it should be treated is just stupid.

 

[The Great Dane]

Dont think so! Too much of an established fanbase Australia wide. Dancing with the devil is not wise. Look at rugby league in North Sydney! Virtually goooone!

Yeah cause AFL is "virtually gone" in South Melbourne and Fitzroy.. lol

Eventually they'll move some more clubs out of Melbourne, they're just trying the softly softly aproach for the moment, trying to get clubs to relocate to the GC (pre-Suns), Canberra, and Tasmania. Eventually it'll come to a head and they'll push some more clubs out.

 

[Stallion]

Bull shit!

Newtown didn't have the money to take the NSWRL to court like the Magpies and later the Rabbits did, so they were forced to accept their fate, that doesn't mean that they went down with a whimper cause they fought it right to the end of their means. Also Newtown were coming off a successful period too, it could reasonably be argued that they were coming off a more successful period then the Bears had before they were dropped, I mean they did compete in the grand final in 81, two years before they were dropped.

And neither Newtown or the Bears were executed (that's what happened to the likes of Annandale and Glebe!), both are still around today and neither ceased operations after being dropped from the top league. If you are suggesting that the Bears were abandoned by the league well even that isn't fair, they were part of a merger that fell apart (and they weren't innocent victims in that situation either), the league did pretty much everything in their power to keep them in the first grade short of giving them a license once the merger fell apart (and thank god they didn't cause all of the mergers would have dissolved straight away).
Newtown on the other hand were literally voted out of the NSWRL, they were literally kicked out under a rationalisation plan along with Wests (who fought their way back in through the courts), so if anything Newtown were the ones that were "basically executed" and not the Bears...

Why don't you and Stallion just admit that you have a strange double standard when it comes to the Bears, and that you don't really care all that much about Sydney's historical clubs and traditions and you're only really in it for the Bears for some strange reason, probably because you remember the Bears from your childhood but clubs like Newtown and the ones that came before are before your time and their for aren't as important to you.
If you just admitted that you have a contradiction in your thinking then I could take you more seriously, cause at least you recognise and accept it, but trying to persist with the allusion that you don't have an irreconcilable contradiction in your philosophy (for lack of a better word) about the sport and how it should be treated is just stupid.

? Oh dear. You are an insane piece of work Greatdane! Do you honestly think a merger with an archrival club in Manly was going to work?! Wow yoy have lost all semblance if common sence! An amazingly innept read of a poor situation for rugby league in North Sydney

 

[Stallion]

Yeah cause AFL is "virtually gone" in South Melbourne and Fitzroy.. lol

Eventually they'll move some more clubs out of Melbourne, they're just trying the softly softly aproach for the moment, trying to get clubs to relocate to the GC (pre-Suns), Canberra, and Tasmania. Eventually it'll come to a head and they'll push some more clubs out.

States the guy whom thinks North Sydney /Manly Warringah merger was a genuine common sense idea! Lol. Raucous laughter!

 

[mave]

The Bears made their own bed, and I enjoy watching them lie in it.
They were possibly the most inept club in the history of RL, both on and off the field.

 

[Stallion]

The Bears made their own bed, and I enjoy watching them lie in it.
They were possibly the most inept club in the history of RL, both on and off the field.

News Ltd's influence had alot to do with the demise of the Bears as we see it!

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly....Newtown virtually just faded out of the big time comp without a wimper as opposed to the Bears who were able to keep going were coming off the back of a very successful decade and were basically executed. Very different indeed.

Didn't Newtown make the GF a year or two before there booting?

 

[Perth Red]

? Oh dear. You are an insane piece of work Greatdane! Do you honestly think a merger with an archrival club in Manly was going to work?! Wow yoy have lost all semblance if common sence! An amazingly innept read of a poor situation for rugby league in North Sydney

I note you totally ignored his question about admitting to your double standards and hypocrisy in regards to the fate of Newtown and Bears. Both historic clubs, both relegated to second tier, both still performing in that second tier. Yet NS cant survive without an NRL club but you don't care for the Newtown region. Shame on you Stallion and your Sydney death riding!

 

[Perth Red]

News Ltd's influence had alot to do with the demise of the Bears as we see it!

Their ineptness opened the door for News Ltd to step in. They were already up sht creek long before the merger and news ltd.

 

[Stallion]

I note you totally ignored his question about admitting to your double standards and hypocrisy in regards to the fate of Newtown and Bears. Both historic clubs, both relegated to second tier, both still performing in that second tier. Yet NS cant survive without an NRL club but you don't care for the Newtown region. Shame on you Stallion and your Sydney death riding!

The Newtown club have a niche market and it complements their community. You still havent understood that North Sydney is a much different area and that area expects a top flight club!