Greenberg wants 2nd Melb team

[LeagueXIII]

The Swans were on their knees when the war hit...the AFL could read the climate and pushed Tony Lockett to Sydney which turned their fortunes plus the negativity in league at the time turned people off many never returned the Swans went from a 9000 average to 30,000 plus in a short time.

 

[Stallion]

The point is it doesn’t work and it isn’t good buisness.
Clubs don’t make a profit and attendances are awful.

Lol. You just dont get it Pommy! Its a sport! A profit is a bonus! The true measurement for sporting succes should be on its cultural relevance, player numbers and regard within the community. Money is a bonus.

 

[Stallion]

I think there’s more to it than that.
I feel the posh eastern suburbs, north Sydney types have more likely decided they don’t want their children being hurt playing a full contact sport. It’s not like union is thriving in its upper class demographic either is it?

Union( crap code that it is) has its mortgage of influence and power in elite private schooling. This tends to give this undeserving code favours and traction at the big end of town. Go figure. From what im witnessing in Newcastle, union has become very socially relevant and their numbers have increased in all age groups over recent decades and particularly the past few years at rugby league's expense. The North Sydney example should be enough for people to show concern when a top flight club/code leaves/abandons an area . Obviously the warnings havent been taken seriously by some on this site.

 

[taipan]

Why?

NZ offers a natural talent pool that none of the AFL states can match. If we’re going to expand we need more players to keep the quality of the competition up.

Commercial backing at this stage.Yes there is talent,I won't argue that point.
Compare the commercial opportunities with say Perth,a2nd Brisbane side, even a 3rd,PNG

Keep in mind the Auckland rugby league is working on now a new semi pro competition for NZ rl players ,initially encompassing Auckland ,but eventually moving to other areas.
They intend to cut their U20 team in the NRL,and utilise players for this new comp.that will form the basis of a decent player pool.

 

[Pommy]

Lol. You just dont get it Pommy! Its a sport! A profit is a bonus! The true measurement for sporting succes should be on its cultural relevance, player numbers and regard within the community. Money is a bonus.

Your the one that mentioned business not me.

 

[Pommy]

Union( crap code that it is) has its mortgage of influence and power in elite private schooling. This tends to give this undeserving code favours and traction at the big end of town. Go figure. From what im witnessing in Newcastle, union has become very socially relevant and their numbers have increased in all age groups over recent decades and particularly the past few years at rugby league's expense. The North Sydney example should be enough for people to show concern when a top flight club/code leaves/abandons an area . Obviously the warnings havent been taken seriously by some on this site.

Union is utterly on its knees in this country with football doing everything it can to beat it to the bottom.

 

[Canard]

In 2050, yes.

 

[Stallion]

Union is utterly on its knees in this country with football doing everything it can to beat it to the bottom.

Union has been and should be at the bottom . Do u honestly think a crap code should be any higher? However it (union) is attracting youngsters more than in years gone by. Alot of this is due to poor administrator decisions at local league level that has impacted on sporting choices at junior level.
Union can suffer the hit of being at a low. It has comfortably held that position in many previous times. That code has the comfort that the "well to do" private schools propagate such a failed code no matter what. Rugby league does not have such backing. It relies on genuine and not establishment support/popularity. Their ! That ends todays lesson. You are excused.

 

[Perth Red]

Shoul have spelt it out for you! The NRL COMPETITIONS origins are based in Sydney! And your implosion logic is disturbing. Don't think you appreciate history, culture, local rivalries and good business! Si you keep going on your ignorant stance and I'll stick with genuine feel and respect for whats has worked for so many years. The Sydney club rivalries which many Aussies relate to and respect all over Australia and elsewhere. Things like that are and should not be frivously discarded like you propose. We differ big time!

Why don’t you champion Newtown’s readmission like you do the bears?

 

[Perth Red]

Why?

NZ offers a natural talent pool that none of the AFL states can match. If we’re going to expand we need more players to keep the quality of the competition up.

I’d love to see a second nz team but suspect it would only happen if the nrl felt it would entice nz fta to offer more than sky does for the nrl rights. Doesn’t sound like that is very likely?

 

[Stallion]

Why don’t you champion Newtown’s readmission like you do the bears?

Different again. Although I have previously mentioned a Sydney and Surrounds centric promotion and relegation set up and Newtown would be a player in that scenario if it eventuated. Diluting the code in Sydney with respects to top flight club presence is not something that is wise or smart in Australias biggest city and market.

 

[Perth Red]

So you are happy to see a club like Newtown gone but not NS or any other, seems a strange position from you? Maybe it’s a question of time and therefore relevance? In another ten years or so you won’t be calling for NS Bears to be In Top flight?

 

[Stallion]

So you are happy to see a club like Newtown gone but not NS or any other, seems a strange position from you? Maybe it’s a question of time and therefore relevance? In another ten years or so you won’t be calling for NS Bears to be In Top flight?

You still dont comprehend too well do you? And the Newtown argument (as if you really care) is outdated. The Newtown jets although about in the tv era of the 70s and early 80s have less market presence than the Bears. Hope you can figure that out. It's logical. So if push came to shove (as in Superleague fiasco ) their you have it.

 

[Perth Red]

You still dont comprehend too well do you? And the Newtown argument (as if you really care) is outdated. The Newtown jets although about in the tv era of the 70s and early 80s have less market presence than the Bears. Hope you can figure that out. It's logical. So if push came to shove (as in Superleague fiasco ) their you have it.

Only due to time. Jets booted 1983, bears 2000
Arguably jets were more successful when they were booted than the bears. Give it another few years and no one will be missing the bears, same way as no one misses the jets. Such is the passage of time.

In fact you seem to be the lone voice on here seriously calling for the bears to be readmiited, a sign that their presence and relevance has already largely gone in the top flight. Your call for the bears whilst happy to see the jets remain in the second tier seems somewhat hypocritical.

 

[Stallion]

Only due to time. Jets booted 1983, bears 2000
Arguably jets were more successful when they were booted than the bears. Give it another few years and no one will be missing the bears, same way as no one misses the jets. Such is the passage of time.

In fact you seem to be the lone voice on here seriously calling for the bears to be readmiited, a sign that their presence and relevance has already largely gone in the top flight. Your call for the bears whilst happy to see the jets remain in the second tier seems somewhat hypocritical.

Im not the lone voice. Their are plenty whom realise the importance of well established and recognised club brands . And the time period is significant. The Bears are way more in the memory of fans than Newtown. You have a disrespectful and haphazard attitude toward established clubs that have an embedded culture, local existing rivalries and notoriety. That's what I've noticed with you PR. Mind you , you do come good at times which is reassuring.

 

[taipan]

So you are happy to see a club like Newtown gone but not NS or any other, seems a strange position from you? Maybe it’s a question of time and therefore relevance? In another ten years or so you won’t be calling for NS Bears to be In Top flight?

You need to check the resident make up of Newtown and near surrounds.RL territory it is not.To compare an area like that to North Sydney is ludicrous ,in terns of population and demographics.

 

[Stallion]

You need to check the resident make up of Newtown and near surrounds.RL territory it is not.To compare an area like that to North Sydney is ludicrous ,in terns of population and demographics.

In stating that the Newtown Jets are drawing over 9000 to their home games at Henson Park using a boutique beer promotion and the like to entice punters. Think that the Bears were and are far more relevant and known than the Jets due to the extra 18 years in the top flight. Timing is crucial. The Bears have and had the exposure Newtown not so. I also believe that rugby league is a good enough football code to entice different demographics and people. Its just it doesn't think that itself which is dissappointing. For instance, my Dad is from Athens Greece and loves his rugby league as well as his soccer and so do I.

 

[The Great Dane]

In stating that the Newtown Jets are drawing over 9000 to their home games at Henson Park using a boutique beer promotion and the like to entice punters. Think that the Bears were and are far more relevant and known than the Jets due to the extra 18 years in the top flight. Timing is crucial. The Bears have and had the exposure Newtown not so. I also believe that rugby league is a goid enough football vode to entice different demographics and people. Its just it doesn't think that itself which is dissappointing. For instance my Dad is from Athens Greece and loves his rugby league as well as his soccer and so do I.

So PR was right and it's all about relevance, over the intervening years Newtown has become irrelevant in the popular culture and everybody forgot about them as the generations turned over (just like Glebe, Annandale, Cumberland, etc, before them), and in time the same will happen to the Bears (frankly it's basically already happened)...

So no need to add another club from Sydney parading as a CC club that we don't need and in the grand scheme of things will only hurt us to fix the problem, we just wait for a few generations of kids that have never heard of the Bears to come through and get on with the job of selling them the game.

 

[Stallion]

So PR was right and it's all about relevance, over the intervening years Newtown has become irrelevant in the popular culture and everybody forgot about them as the generations turned over (just like Glebe, Annandale, Cumberland, etc, before them), and in time the same will happen to the Bears (frankly it's basically already happened)...

So no need to add another club from Sydney parading as a CC club that we don't need and in the grand scheme of things will only hurt us to fix the problem, we just wait for a few generations of kids that have never heard of the Bears to come through and get on with the job of selling them the game.

Thought you had actually learnt something Greatdane? But apparently not! If North Sydney were given its rightful place back in the top flight , rugby league would be once again booming in North Sydney and strengthened significantly in the Central Coast. Newtown has successfully catered for a boutique local rugby league audience. And good on them for doing so. I reiterate the three regions we call SYDNEY can easily accomodate ten top flight NRL clubs for the betterment of the code in this vast region. The added local derbies alone will make fortunes and aspiring young footballers have a greater incentive to play rugby league. Notwithstanding other areas are welcome to the rugby league "family" as well .

 

[The Great Dane]

You need to check the resident make up of Newtown and near surrounds.RL territory it is not.To compare an area like that to North Sydney is ludicrous ,in terns of population and demographics.

Strange, for years people (including you from memory) have been saying that the only reason that RU and AFL are popular in NS at all is cause of the demographics.

Apparently according to many on here, the only reason that those sports took off in NS is cause of the demographic change from predominantly working class to upper class private school educated rich people, and once the Bears were dropped the area was just left to rot (because apparently Manly couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery and are incapable of supporting the region by themselves).

So which is it? Either the demographics are a large reason why NS is a " wasteland" for the sport, or they are a reason why the Bears will be very successful (not saying that a club in NS couldn't or wouldn't be successful for the record) and that an army of Bears fans will come out of the wood works in NS if only the Bears are resurrected.
It's one or the other you can't have it both ways for when it suits you...