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Greg Bird charged with violent attack

If charges are dropped against Bird, should he return immediately?

  • Yes

    Votes: 85 50.9%
  • No

    Votes: 77 46.1%
  • I don't know/maybe/depends, ie. I'm too weak to have an opinion

    Votes: 5 3.0%

  • Total voters
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millersnose

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Yes there are, a girl has an eye injury, the fractured eye socket is yet to be varified, greg bird was involved, greg bird tried to get a mate to take the heat.

pretty spot on surely

What we don't know is

How it happened
Was it an accident or intentional

intentional enough to want someone else to take the blame and to tell the club it was other people and not him


iIf bird smashed a glass into someones face with enough force to fracture her eye socket how come he has no cuts to his hand.
perhaps he has

glassing someone isnt necessarily goig to cut your hand though

The accuracy of the media reporting, as there is no statement from bird or the alleged victim.

neither of them have made a statement claiming it was an accident

well butter me on both sides
 

blacktip-reefy

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N If she was being trouble as you suggest and he wanted her out then he could use the law if need be to do that. In either case he allowed himeslf to be embroided in the situation and then their is the attempted cover up that is in evidence.
aahhh yes , just like when wayne Carey called the cops to get a girl out of his house. he got arrested instead.
Seems no matter what way you look at this he acted in a totally inapproapriate manner which may still lead to his career being in all sorts of strife, let alone the obvious legal problem.
Speak for yourself on how you look at it. I'm not putting myself in the gullible boat thanks.
 

blacktip-reefy

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Probably fair enough, but he didn't deny and say nothing, he actively attempted to deflect blame. He should have said "I don't know what happened".
did Greg Bird say that to anybody ? or did she say that to medicos?
The only thing being said is that police found out that Bird Talked to Watson about she had told the doctors.
There is nothing anywehre that Bird said to police , doctors neighbours or anybody anything.
The only person he spoke to was Watson & his(birds) manager
 
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aahhh yes , just like when wayne Carey called the cops to get a girl out of his house. he got arrested instead.
Speak for yourself on how you look at it. I'm not putting myself in the gullible boat thanks.

You actually seem to be sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the simple fact that SHOULD result in his sacking. He told a different set of circumsatnces to the club of what has taken place at his unit. He still has to explain why he has appeared to have lied to his employer.
 

Surely

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pretty spot on surely



intentional enough to want someone else to take the blame and to tell the club it was other people and not him

Maybe he knows there are many people like yourself ready to hang him accident or not. Watson on the otherhand what heat would he take over an accident.




neither of them have made a statement claiming it was an accident

well butter me on both sides

Neither of them have made a statement claiming it was intentional.
 

Surely

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You actually seem to be sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the simple fact that SHOULD result in his sacking. He told a different set of circumsatnces to the club of what has taken place at his unit. He still has to explain why he has appeared to have lied to his employer.

Imagine that lie to your employer about your own personal relationship.
 

stupidhumour

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......or pinning on your mate who is trying to get on various Golf tours next year - try getting a US Visa with a recent assualt conviction.....
 
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Surely

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......or pinning on your mate who is trying to get on various Golf tours next year - try getting a US Visa with a recent assualt conviction.....

thats the thing isn't was he trying to get his mate to cop for assaulting her, her accidentally injuring her ?
 

Tunguska

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Reefy updated your post with a few points. Thought it was very good and sent it to a few mates with the added parts. Hope you dont mind:

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Hypothetical situation[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A guy wakes up after a big night and is on the couch.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Another person starts annoying him verbally and physically.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Said person has a kitchen utensil in their hand and is in an agitated state[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Said person gets really wound up and goes to strike the prone guy in a fit of rage, whilst in the process of standing up[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The guy blocks the strike, the annoyer falls over onto the ground and has been injured by the utensil severely, either by the block, ricochet or impact of the fall [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]or[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A guy returns home after a big night, possibly intoxicated and walks into the bedroom[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A person in bed, also possibly intoxicated confronts the guy about alleged flirting that took place with some of the person's friends[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Argument ensues[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Guy in fit of rage throws nearby glass into wall and glass richochets off wall into person[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]or[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A guy returns home after a big night, possibly intoxicated and walks into the bedroom[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A person in bed, also possibly intoxicated confronts the guy about alleged flirting that took place with some of the person's friends[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Argument ensues[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Person in bed throws bedside glass at guy in anger[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Glass misses guy or is caught and guy throws it back as if to retaliate equally.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Regardless,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Guy takes the injured party to get medical treatment for injury.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]On the way the guy who has a high profile rings a confidante for advice on managing a bad situation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Confidante replies that it could be extremely bad if the media gets a hold of the situation so deny, deny, deny until we get in control and assess things[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Knowing full well that there is no privacy with medical records in public departments, the guy takes the advice[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When quizzed at the medical centre on how the injury occurred, the guy & the injured party stupidly & spontaneously implicate somebody else in the accident in an attempt to deceive the media & public organisations who leak information . This would have the effect of drawing any suspicion away at the lowest level [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Guy & confidante realises the mistake when medical centre brings law enforcement in on the action, perhaps due to the degree of injury or slight intoxication of either party[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Guy organises a professional to assist as guy has been taught over years of small legal occourences that safety and silence is the best and safest option[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nobody at this point has spoken to anybody other than medical professionals.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]2 hours have passed[/FONT]
There are no eyewitnesses to the incident[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The media speaks to nearby residents for on-the-record accounts of what was heard. No indication has been made as to the names of these people, and how many gave this information. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Remnants of the serious injury were visible where the accident took place.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The media have now published preliminary stories[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The individuals employer gets a hold of the story & rings for an explanation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The version the employer gets is not complete or accurate as the guy has still not met his confidante & is still trying to keep a lid on the media.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]LAw enforcement release information that investigation is underway into an ALLEGED ATTACK at the guys residence.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]5 hours have passed[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]// With the situation now totally out of control, confidante advises that no statements are to be given & no answers are to be supplied & that the guy should proceed to nearest legal department after a meeting with legal advisors. //[/FONT]
[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Department asks for a statement which was refused under legal advice[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Department asks the guy if he was responsible for an attack on at his premises to which he replies no[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Department's attention is drawn to guy's comments at hospital that another person was involved in the accident. This lie gives Police no other option to disregard claims of 'accident' and will soon use this lie to develop Prima Facie for the commital hearing.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]With alleged victim in hospital undergoing surgery and no other witnesses, Department has no choice but to charge guy under suspicion and keep him in custody due to the extend of the alleged victims injuries[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Police, without consulting said victim, release information that a person was attacked with a kitchen utensil by the guy & that the person has multiple specific injuries. Injuries which to this day, have not been verified or released[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]24 hours has passed[/FONT]

At hearing the guy is asked for statement. Refused
Asked if he was responsible for an attack and replies no[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]With evidence from police who arrest guy, Police prosecutor says, in court: "The accused person ... is actively trying to deceive police by inferring other people were involved in the matter,"[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]He is then allowed to leave on conditions & orders are set in place that prevent him from speaking to the injured individual, even against the wishes of the injured individual to preserve evidence. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]At this stage Judge has found only that there is adequate evidence to establish an investigation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No parties are guilty. In fact, the opposite until proven otherwise[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]At this point there have been zero statements from the only two people who know what has happened.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ludicrous allegations media have tried & convicted the guy by this time. [FONT=&quot]His chance of a fair trial is zero.[/FONT]Every media report to date has gross inaccuracies & complete fabrications in some instances. Said victims's legal representative, Campbell MacCallum, said: "She has expressed some disappointment in the number of inaccuracies contained in much of the media coverage of the incident."
Guy is then sacked by his employer with a termination payment in process, but with years of payments missing
Other business's cease dealings with the guys employer on the basis of media reports
[FONT=&quot]48 hours has passed.[/FONT] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]End of hypothetical[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This is a "true" story as reported by Australian media this week.[/FONT]

*edit* - unsubstantiated

That such a glassing could cause both structural and tissue damage implicates a vicious attack.
Greg Bird then rang his best mate and said "I've just told the hospital, *edit* . How do you feel about that?"
Greg Bird plays for Cronulla Sharks & is 24.[/FONT]
 
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Tunguska

Juniors
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And millersnose --

I won't step into whether bird was guilty or not, but some of the post's you've made with words of the effect of: 'I'm certain he's guilty' and 'my mind's made up' only sets you up to have some serious egg on your face in the alternative.
 

Genius Freak

Juniors
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So no one here has ever lied to an employer?

Come on!

The girl has made no statement, and seems to be fine.

Let the boy play!
 

Rexxy

Coach
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LOL. You forgot "she threw a chip at me".

Reefy updated your post with a few points. Thought it was very good and sent it to a few mates with the added parts. Hope you dont mind:

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Hypothetical situation[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A guy wakes up after a big night and is on the couch.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Another person starts annoying him verbally and physically.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Said person has a kitchen utensil in their hand and is in an agitated state[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Said person gets really wound up and goes to strike the prone guy in a fit of rage, whilst in the process of standing up[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The guy blocks the strike, the annoyer falls over onto the ground and has been injured by the utensil severely, either by the block, ricochet or impact of the fall [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]or[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A guy returns home after a big night, possibly intoxicated and walks into the bedroom[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A person in bed, also possibly intoxicated confronts the guy about alleged flirting that took place with some of the person's friends[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Argument ensues[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Guy in fit of rage throws nearby glass into wall and glass richochets off wall into person[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]or[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A guy returns home after a big night, possibly intoxicated and walks into the bedroom[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A person in bed, also possibly intoxicated confronts the guy about alleged flirting that took place with some of the person's friends[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Argument ensues[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Person in bed throws bedside glass at guy in anger[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Glass misses guy or is caught and guy throws it back as if to retaliate equally.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Regardless,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Guy takes the injured party to get medical treatment for injury.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]On the way the guy who has a high profile rings a confidante for advice on managing a bad situation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Confidante replies that it could be extremely bad if the media gets a hold of the situation so deny, deny, deny until we get in control and assess things[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Knowing full well that there is no privacy with medical records in public departments, the guy takes the advice[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When quizzed at the medical centre on how the injury occurred, the guy & the injured party stupidly & spontaneously implicate somebody else in the accident in an attempt to deceive the media & public organisations who leak information . This would have the effect of drawing any suspicion away at the lowest level [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Guy & confidante realises the mistake when medical centre brings law enforcement in on the action, perhaps due to the degree of injury or slight intoxication of either party[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Guy organises a professional to assist as guy has been taught over years of small legal occourences that safety and silence is the best and safest option[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nobody at this point has spoken to anybody other than medical professionals.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]2 hours have passed[/FONT]
There are no eyewitnesses to the incident[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The media speaks to nearby residents for on-the-record accounts of what was heard. No indication has been made as to the names of these people, and how many gave this information. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Remnants of the serious injury were visible where the accident took place.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The media have now published preliminary stories[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The individuals employer gets a hold of the story & rings for an explanation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The version the employer gets is not complete or accurate as the guy has still not met his confidante & is still trying to keep a lid on the media.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]LAw enforcement release information that investigation is underway into an ALLEGED ATTACK at the guys residence.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]5 hours have passed[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]// With the situation now totally out of control, confidante advises that no statements are to be given & no answers are to be supplied & that the guy should proceed to nearest legal department after a meeting with legal advisors. //[/FONT]
[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Department asks for a statement which was refused under legal advice[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Department asks the guy if he was responsible for an attack on at his premises to which he replies no[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Department's attention is drawn to guy's comments at hospital that another person was involved in the accident. This lie gives Police no other option to disregard claims of 'accident' and will soon use this lie to develop Prima Facie for the commital hearing.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]With alleged victim in hospital undergoing surgery and no other witnesses, Department has no choice but to charge guy under suspicion and keep him in custody due to the extend of the alleged victims injuries[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Police, without consulting said victim, release information that a person was attacked with a kitchen utensil by the guy & that the person has multiple specific injuries. Injuries which to this day, have not been verified or released[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]24 hours has passed[/FONT]

At hearing the guy is asked for statement. Refused
Asked if he was responsible for an attack and replies no[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]With evidence from police who arrest guy, Police prosecutor says, in court: "The accused person ... is actively trying to deceive police by inferring other people were involved in the matter,"[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]He is then allowed to leave on conditions & orders are set in place that prevent him from speaking to the injured individual, even against the wishes of the injured individual to preserve evidence. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]At this stage Judge has found only that there is adequate evidence to establish an investigation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No parties are guilty. In fact, the opposite until proven otherwise[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]At this point there have been zero statements from the only two people who know what has happened.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ludicrous allegations media have tried & convicted the guy by this time. [FONT=&quot]His chance of a fair trial is zero.[/FONT]Every media report to date has gross inaccuracies & complete fabrications in some instances. Said victims's legal representative, Campbell MacCallum, said: "She has expressed some disappointment in the number of inaccuracies contained in much of the media coverage of the incident."
Guy is then sacked by his employer with a termination payment in process, but with years of payments missing
Other business's cease dealings with the guys employer on the basis of media reports
[FONT=&quot]48 hours has passed.[/FONT] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]End of hypothetical[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This is a "true" story as reported by Australian media this week.[/FONT]
That such a glassing could cause both structural and tissue damage implicates a vicious attack.
Greg Bird then rang his best mate and said "I've just told the hospital, . How do you feel about that?"
Greg Bird plays for Cronulla Sharks & is 24.[/FONT]
 
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spider

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Tunguska said:
Person in bed throws bedside glass at guy in anger
[FONT=&quot]Glass misses guy or is caught and guy throws it back as if to retaliate equally.[/FONT]
thats my fav

Tunguska said:
Every media report to date has gross inaccuracies & complete fabrications in some instances
such as?
 
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Tunguska

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thats my fav


such as?


where is the article / link for this?

Maybe the title of my post wasn't clear enough??

I think you'll find that final statement is an accumulation of general public opinion on the matter.


That sentence was Reefy's but I'll have a go. The use of the word "attack" (without allegedly) is automatically speculative, so there's your example.

I'm not gonna throw my bob in until some real evidence comes out. Until then, everyone chill.

EDIT: attack is used http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...sing-girlfriend/2008/08/25/1219516278505.html and http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24236731-5001021,00.html for two
 
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I think I found the media inconsistancy that has upset Katie.

"The Cronulla Sharks five-eighth has been granted conditional bail after facing court on one count of maliciously inflicting grievous bodily harm."

Farkin idiot reporters
 

spider

Coach
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Maybe the title of my post wasn't clear enough??
no it wasn't - but not as painful as the rest

I think you'll find that final statement is an accumulation of general public opinion on the matter.
unfortunately it reads a bit more assertive than an opinion - and the title above it stated - "reported by the media"

so when a link to that specific report is posted, it can be put back up

That sentence was Reefy's but I'll have a go. The use of the word "attack" (without allegedly) is automatically speculative, so there's your example.
rubbish

oh, but i do think there was an attack in some form



*edit* - i wasn't referring to the word 'attack' in the above instance, i was referring to the opening line
 
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