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Greg Bird charged with violent attack

If charges are dropped against Bird, should he return immediately?

  • Yes

    Votes: 85 50.9%
  • No

    Votes: 77 46.1%
  • I don't know/maybe/depends, ie. I'm too weak to have an opinion

    Votes: 5 3.0%

  • Total voters
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Dave Q

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hahaha!!

Even though that was unintentional.



OK fair enough, he was in remorse but you really could have just said: "It's just another player that cant handle thier piss"

That will probably be deleted.

I suppose what I meant to say is that if he did harbour unkindly thoughts about a person on account of their race, then he is a dickhead.

If he makes a rascist comment as some kind of gee up then thats unacceptable too as it is offensive.

But he wasnt just remorseful, he was actually unwell in the head and some allowance can be made for his disability and beyond this, his genuine remorse for his actions that have especially been well-documented by balanced and fair-minded media.

He wasnt just your average fugwit drunk violent footballer wearing a bad designer shirt who thinks that their excrement is without odour.

I think his case can be distinguished from the regular bonehead.

But he was set upon by the zealous and high and mighty. The people who make a bold and courageous righteous public stance but underneath it all have secret fetishes for things untorward and beyond the contemplation of the natural!

He was a scapegoat with few peers in the game and we should not be so quick to condemn him on the basis of the milage the depraved goody two shoes were making out of him.

Lining their pockets with gold by stomping all over him. Sickening.

Theres a view that puts Bird in a similar situational context.
 
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coolumsharkie

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It's a common theory that people with an "island" heritage can't hold their alcohol as well as most Anglo's can. This is not a racist comment, it's purely an observation based on genetics. After all most of us that have a European ancestry have been enjoying alcoholic beverages since Jesus was a pup.

There's always exceptions to every rule of course, and I guess also it could be misconstrued that stereotyping a certain race in a general sense would appear racist.

Quite frankly I think it's a crock of sh*t all this PC bullsh*t, I think the world needs to buy some Areldite and harden the f**k up.
 

Frenzy.

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It's a common theory that people with an "island" heritage can't hold their alcohol as well as most Anglo's can. This is not a racist comment, it's purely an observation based on genetics. After all most of us that have a European ancestry have been enjoying alcoholic beverages since Jesus was a pup.

There's always exceptions to every rule of course, and I guess also it could be misconstrued that stereotyping a certain race in a general sense would appear racist.

Quite frankly I think it's a crock of sh*t all this PC bullsh*t, I think the world needs to buy some Areldite and harden the f**k up.

So they say cools. Applies to original Australians as well some say. However, I used to just take this theory and run with it till I investigated it and can't find a single definitive study or genetic fact about it.

I reckon you're on the money about all this PC excreta though.

Too bad Viagra only hardens up certain areas.
 

Dave Q

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It's a common theory that people with an "island" heritage can't hold their alcohol as well as most Anglo's can. This is not a racist comment, it's purely an observation based on genetics. After all most of us that have a European ancestry have been enjoying alcoholic beverages since Jesus was a pup.

There's always exceptions to every rule of course, and I guess also it could be misconstrued that stereotyping a certain race in a general sense would appear racist.

Quite frankly I think it's a crock of sh*t all this PC bullsh*t, I think the world needs to buy some Areldite and harden the f**k up.

I disagree, I think that everyone has difference tolerance levels, depending on their own metabolism and regardless of their race.

I used to believe in relative on-line freedom too, but then all the troll dogs started visiting Souths and we were too lenient.

They abused us and stalked people. It made LU a less nice place.

Ordinary members of our forum like me were threatening to boycott it until the mods toughened up because it all became a massive whinge and a fight.

Just be careful what you wish for, not everyone is as well-humoured and smart as many people here.
 
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gunnamatta bay

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The 'who can handle their acohol' could be a idea for a new tv show. Several contestants imbibe before a live audience. The last one left standing wins.
 

gunnamatta bay

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But what sort of company would want to sponsor such and event? I will have to think about that.

It could become an international competition with each country proffering their champion concluding with a grand final on the forecourt of the opera house on new years eve.

The Russians would have to be favourites.
 

coolumsharkie

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So they say cools. Applies to original Australians as well some say. However, I used to just take this theory and run with it till I investigated it and can't find a single definitive study or genetic fact about it.

I reckon you're on the money about all this PC excreta though.

Too bad Viagra only hardens up certain areas.

I'm hearing ya Frenzy, the theory is less a difference in genetics from race to race but rather a evolutionary one where as certain drugs have been introduced earlier in a particular race's heritage, therefore the Euro's have had more time to adapt to it's effects.

You're right in saying that there's probably no scientific evidence to support this claim, rather than what is observed in our society today. Hence the theory in the first pace.

I'm a very anti anti depressants, that has been introduced in our culture in the last 20 years. Mainly targeting us whitey's as the major source of use/revenue. In most cases you can revert back to my Areldite theory to which the GP's and pharmacuetical industries have a lot to answer for imo.

The 'who can handle their acohol' could be a idea for a new tv show. Several contestants imbibe before a live audience. The last one left standing wins.

I'd win that contest.
 

Dave Q

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I'm hearing ya Frenzy, the theory is less a difference in genetics from race to race but rather a evolutionary one where as certain drugs have been introduced earlier in a particular race's heritage, therefore the Euro's have had more time to adapt to it's effects.

You're right in saying that there's probably no scientific evidence to support this claim, rather than what is observed in our society today. Hence the theory in the first pace.

I'm a very anti anti depressants, that has been introduced in our culture in the last 20 years. Mainly targeting us whitey's as the major source of use/revenue. In most cases you can revert back to my Areldite theory to which the GP's and pharmacuetical industries have a lot to answer for imo.



I'd win that contest.

All that stuff that "blacks cant handle it" stuff is all total bullsh*t and just further adds to peoples prejudice.

Theres some people on Anti-Depressents who'd probably be dead now without them.

Strange views indeed Coolum.
 

coolumsharkie

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All that stuff that "blacks cant handle it" stuff is all total bullsh*t and just further adds to peoples prejudice.

Theres some people on Anti-Depressents who'd probably be dead now without them.

Strange views indeed Coolum.

There are SOME people on AD's that need to take them to survive I agree. Not half the freakin population though and thats exactly where it's heading.

As far as the other thing, I think I'll leave it there. A trip to NQ might challenge some of your belief systems though.
 

Dave Q

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There are SOME people on AD's that need to take them to survive I agree. Not half the freakin population though and thats exactly where it's heading.

As far as the other thing, I think I'll leave it there. A trip to NQ might challenge some of your belief systems though.

Yeah Coolum but the safeguard for AD's is through doctors who, generally speaking ( but with exceptions) are pretty responsible and qualified people.

The chances are you are more likely to be involved in a fracas outside a pub that leads to a bad injury than have AD's do any harm to you.

Properly monitored they can be very useful.

I stand by my earlier comments on the other thing...Ive seen more white people than black people get off their heads and hurt people.

Ive had some experience in the country too, Walgett no less, and I'd be far more afraid of white guy refusing to take his medication than a drunk aboriginal walking down the street. First hand experience? Yes.

I guess we'll agree to disagree.
 

blacktip-reefy

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It's just a matter of time Dave before they identify & isolate the gene/s that ignite alcoholism. Then its next step will be to explain why native peoples from alcohol free continents are more prone to alcoholism.
Just a matter of time.
 

Dave Q

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I daresay alcoholism is learnt behaviour as well Reef-eye.

With the mates egging you on, everyone backing everyone else for a good grog-on.

Then often something bad happens, health, crime or accident.

Without the introduction and reinforcement, you wouldnt be turned into that Monster and victim.

You wouldnt be sick.

One could get on with one's life a lot better and its better for loved ones etc.

Its an insidious drug.

On the piss every weekend is not a good way of life either. Big waste of money, unhealthy and evenetually, pretty boring.

I have no issue with the very rare and occasional.

But as a lifestyle, geez, it really sucks.

Theres a big difference between the TV ads and the reality of the grog-monster. Bundy bear needs to slow down.

Just my own view mind you.
 
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gunnamatta bay

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we touched on this topic so I thought some would be interested in this article



http://www.stuff.co.nz/4697104a27162.html



Aboriginal drinking myths debunked

By JOEL GIBSON - SMH | Thursday, 18 September 2008





Is there anything particularly Aboriginal - or un-Aboriginal - about alcohol?

Why are indigenous people more often teetotallers than non-indigenous people, according to statisticians?
Why do those who drink consume more, more often?
These were some of the questions that confronted Maggie Brady as she researched the history of Australia's first people and one of the nation's first loves - grog.
The resulting publication, First Taste: How Indigenous Australians Learned About Grog, is the first account of its kind.
It will, she hopes, separate fact from fiction about Aborigines and alcohol, for indigenous drinkers, health workers, policymakers and the general population.
The myths are many and the facts are often surprising.
Dr Brady writes, for example, that it was probably not Europeans who introduced alcohol to Australia, but Makassan traders from Indonesia on their annual fishing trips, from about 1720.
Nor was alcohol only introduced: in at least three areas - Tasmania, south-west West Australia, and Borroloola - indigenous brewers fermented light alcohol from banksia cones, gum sap and pandanus nuts.
In the Sydney region, she found that the first documented offering of a drink to a native - by the future governor Philip Gidley King in 1788 - was promptly spat out. "Fire in eyes, fire in nose, fire all over!" was the unnamed taster's critical review.
Each of these discoveries added to a body of evidence that indigenous drinkers did not have a biological "weakness" for alcohol - a colonial misconception that survives today, she said.
They learned how to use it and abuse it from the best in the business - the English, who arrived fresh from the London "gin craze" of the early 1700s and who drank at breakfast, lunch and dinner. By the 1820s, they had built 13 breweries in the Sydney area and by 1850 there were 500 hotels.
But segregation and pub bans for more than a century fostered an indigenous drinking culture unchecked by the niceties of licensed establishments, and drinking grog eventually came to symbolise equality and civil rights.
Missionaries also planted the seed for a strong indigenous temperance movement that lives on in the high proportion of teetotallers and anti-alcohol lobbies in indigenous communities.
Dr Brady, a veteran of 30 years of drug and alcohol research, does not prescribe a course of action for health workers or communities ravaged by alcohol. But she hopes they will understand that drinking habits are learned and can be changed, and that historical baggage still clouds modern debates. "The message is that prohibition can mean many things and that it needs to arise from the grassroots up rather than be imposed. Restrictions work very well if they have [a critical mass in] the community," Dr Brady said.
First Taste is funded by the Alcohol Education & Rehabilitation Foundation and will be released at Parliament House today.
 

Dave Q

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we touched on this topic so I thought some would be interested in this article



http://www.stuff.co.nz/4697104a27162.html



Aboriginal drinking myths debunked

By JOEL GIBSON - SMH | Thursday, 18 September 2008






Is there anything particularly Aboriginal - or un-Aboriginal - about alcohol?

Why are indigenous people more often teetotallers than non-indigenous people, according to statisticians?
Why do those who drink consume more, more often?
These were some of the questions that confronted Maggie Brady as she researched the history of Australia's first people and one of the nation's first loves - grog.
The resulting publication, First Taste: How Indigenous Australians Learned About Grog, is the first account of its kind.
It will, she hopes, separate fact from fiction about Aborigines and alcohol, for indigenous drinkers, health workers, policymakers and the general population.
The myths are many and the facts are often surprising.
Dr Brady writes, for example, that it was probably not Europeans who introduced alcohol to Australia, but Makassan traders from Indonesia on their annual fishing trips, from about 1720.
Nor was alcohol only introduced: in at least three areas - Tasmania, south-west West Australia, and Borroloola - indigenous brewers fermented light alcohol from banksia cones, gum sap and pandanus nuts.
In the Sydney region, she found that the first documented offering of a drink to a native - by the future governor Philip Gidley King in 1788 - was promptly spat out. "Fire in eyes, fire in nose, fire all over!" was the unnamed taster's critical review.
Each of these discoveries added to a body of evidence that indigenous drinkers did not have a biological "weakness" for alcohol - a colonial misconception that survives today, she said.
They learned how to use it and abuse it from the best in the business - the English, who arrived fresh from the London "gin craze" of the early 1700s and who drank at breakfast, lunch and dinner. By the 1820s, they had built 13 breweries in the Sydney area and by 1850 there were 500 hotels.
But segregation and pub bans for more than a century fostered an indigenous drinking culture unchecked by the niceties of licensed establishments, and drinking grog eventually came to symbolise equality and civil rights.
Missionaries also planted the seed for a strong indigenous temperance movement that lives on in the high proportion of teetotallers and anti-alcohol lobbies in indigenous communities.
Dr Brady, a veteran of 30 years of drug and alcohol research, does not prescribe a course of action for health workers or communities ravaged by alcohol. But she hopes they will understand that drinking habits are learned and can be changed, and that historical baggage still clouds modern debates. "The message is that prohibition can mean many things and that it needs to arise from the grassroots up rather than be imposed. Restrictions work very well if they have [a critical mass in] the community," Dr Brady said.
First Taste is funded by the Alcohol Education & Rehabilitation Foundation and will be released at Parliament House today.

Charlie Perkins opened the first aboriginal owned pub in Noth west NSW many years ago.

Its still open today and is a fave haunt of black and white alike.

From a refreshing and welcome political statement its all gone bad.

Besides that, If they wanted to, I am pretty sure most aboriginal players could drink me under the table.
 
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Gozz

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Hey guys, this is my first ever post on these forums, but have been a viewer of these forums for yonks, so finally could be arsed to sign up. About the Greg Bird drama, is there any more receny update as to what he is doing next year...staying a shark or being booted from the club...Deadset im sure fans would stick by him, and if the club were to threaten ripping up his contract 09 would be a dead loss for us. When Bird is at his peak, we will rip it with seymour and barrett! Anyways, I truly believe Sharks fan should threaten to boycott the first few home games at shark park if they are going to threaten bird's contract...anyone feel the same way???
Dan aka Massive Sharks Fan and Hopeful for 09!
 

samshark

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What do mean threaten Goz? His contract will either be terminated or not. Anyway its not as simple as you say. If Bird is found guilty on the assault the club has little choice but to terminate his contract and Bird could possibly be looking at jail time, though I highly doubt it.

Personally, I think he is at long odds to be found guilty on the assault and rightly so. What concerns me is that if he is found guilty on one of the lesser bullsh*t charges then the club still sacks him anyway and I dont think thats right. The club has been harsh in its treatment of Bird to date. He should have been reinstated when certain things came to light. So even if convicted of say the Make False Accusation I hope the club gives him another chance. I mean for f**k sakes a guy like Ben Roberts has been convicted of drink driving, assaulting police and been involved in other incidents and yet still plays for the dogs. There are/have been players out there convicted of offences and not sacked so its not as if the club would be going out on a limb by not sacking Bird.

As for where things stand at the moment, who knows. I have had a bit of contact with the CEO and he assured me that the club was waiting and letting justice do its cause before making a decision.

If you feel strongly about this I dont think boycotting games next year will help. It will be too late by then. Write to the club, write to the CEO, write to the chairman. Tell them how you feel, make a good intelligent argument for Bird not to be sacked. If enough fans contact the club they have to take our opinions into consideration.
 
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