Greg Inglis headed to South Sydney - no players to be shed

[Eels Dude]

The NRL doesn't allow clubs to guarantee the deals, they should be able to in my opinion. The deals should be legit deals for real work, but if something happens the clubs should have the option of guaranteeing them if they can and if they want to.

No they shouldn't. If the NRL allows clubs to guarentee the deals all that means is that if those deals fall through then the club has to come up with the money to pay those players instead. Not only does that mean clubs are forced by contract law to spend money they cannot afford to do, but it also open many loopholes and allows richer clubs to exploit the salary cap by arranging phony deals with third parties, knowing that they can pay those third party deals themselves anyway, making them not third party deals at all. Allowing clubs to guarentee third pary deals defeats the purpose of having a salary cap to begin with.

 

[BunniesMan]

That's pretty ridiculous, can you imagine how open that situation would be for unscrupulous clubs to rort the system.
I can hear them now, we had the best of intentions but due to circumstances beyond our control the sponsorship fell through, but it's all sweet we'll make up the difference.

Legit contracts for legit work won't fall through every day of the week like you're making it sound they will. I'm not talking about something signed on the back of a maccas tray with purple crayon. Legit contracts with legit businesses for legit work. That should be able to be guaranteed by the clubs.

For example Inglis's deals were with the state health department and anz stadium (amongst others), neither of those organisations will delibretley agree to a dodgy contract, but if some unforseen circumstance happens down the line, Souths should have the right to guarantee it beforehand.

 

[Spot On]

Legit contracts for legit work won't fall through every day of the week like you're making it sound they will. I'm not talking about something signed on the back of a maccas tray with purple crayon. Legit contracts with legit businesses for legit work. That should be able to be guaranteed by the clubs.

For example Inglis's deals where with the state health department and anz stadium (amongst others), neither of those organisations will delibretley agree to a dodgy contract, but if some unforseen circumstance happens down the line, Souths should have the right to guarantee it beforehand.

That would be just dandy in a perfect world however there are not enough honest operators for that to happen. Legit contracts - didn't Sonny Bill Willams have one of those?

 

[manly40gimps0]

NRL says no to Inglis, so sudden player sale looms

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...er-sale-looms-20101218-1918z.html?from=smh_sb

SOUTH SYDNEY face the prospect of shedding players to accommodate Greg Inglis after the NRL blocked his proposed move to Redfern.
In a scathing assessment of the Rabbitohs' handling of the transfer saga, the NRL has insisted the full value of a number of Inglis's third-party agreements be covered by the salary cap. The Sun-Herald understands four contracts were scrutinised by cap auditor Ian Schubert:
❏ A $100,000 deal revolving around Aboriginal welfare with the NSW Health Department;
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❏ A $50,000 deal with ANZ Stadium;
❏ A $25,000 deal with WA Spit Roast;
❏ A $25,000 deal with an inner-city car dealership.
All of them raised red flags at league headquarters.
Despite being warned not to make announcements until the NRL scrutinised the contracts, Souths co-owner Russell Crowe boasted about the $1.8 million deal to an audience of millions on US television's Tonight Show with Jay Leno last month.
Schubert found deals submitted as ''arm's length'' third-party agreements were in fact drafted by the club and, in some cases, revised with the sponsor without the involvement of Inglis's manager, Allan Gainey. The contracts were also in place before a playing contract was signed.
Souths issued a brief statement yesterday expressing their disappointment with the decision and their desire to keep Inglis in league.
Their best chance of pushing the deal through is to offload at least one of their star players, something Souths CEO Shane Richardson initially vowed not to do. It is understood some of the club's biggest names are on heavily back-ended deals next year, with Roy Asotasi on $450,000, Michael Crocker $300,000 and John Sutton $400,000. Beau Champion was recently shopped to Parramatta but they baulked at his asking price. The Eels are more interested in another Souths centre, Taioalo ''Junior'' Vaivai. Utility Jamie Simpson and fullback Rhys Wesser (about $160,000) could be other options to be released.
Given that Inglis only became a free agent as a result of the Storm salary cap debacle, the NRL has taken its time considering the issue. Yet Souths pressed the league for a speedy determination - although some legal documents were only made available on Friday afternoon - prompting yesterday's announcement.
''Given the circumstances under which Greg became available to South Sydney, nobody can have been under any doubt about the importance of ensuring his contract complied with the cap,'' said NRL chief executive David Gallop.
''The NRL had already required the Broncos to include third-party agreements within their calculation of the contract value and was insisting legal fees also be included when those negotiations ceased. South Sydney had been advised to have all proposed offers reviewed by the NRL before making any commitments.
"They chose not to do so, and it has taken some time to access all details of the agreements.
"It is unfortunate for Greg that he is in the middle of a difficult situation, and I assured him this week that these issues do not reflect on him but that they are matters for clubs in assessing the offers that they make.
''He is one of the game's most highly valued players, and we have assured him of that in no uncertain terms. That said, the cap has to apply fairly to all clubs, and one club cannot be allowed to do what others were prevented from doing. The rules on third-party deals are clear.
"We have worked with clubs and players by substantially increasing the amount that sponsors can pay players through the $300,000 marquee player allowance in 2011 but without rules on third-party agreements there would be no point in having a salary cap system."
The Sun-Herald revealed earlier this month that Souths might attempt to resolve the impasse by legally challenging the existence of the salary cap, with their chairman, Nick Pappas, likely to lead the charge.
The only NRL club with enough money left under the cap for Inglis is Parramatta, although it is unclear if coach Stephen Kearney, who worked with Inglis at the Storm, is interested.
Inglis, who reneged on an agreement with Brisbane, is still no closer to finding a home for next season.
The NRL's decision also clouds the future of New Zealand hooker Issac Luke, who was poised to extend his contract until the end of 2015.

 

[applesauce]

The only NRL club with enough money left under the cap for Inglis is Parramatta, although it is unclear if coach Stephen Kearney, who worked with Inglis at the Storm, is interested.

That is some sh*t journalism.

 

[SoftSydney]

Gasnier and Wing left because their third party deals fell through with their respective third parties, and both had clauses in their contract stating they were able to do so if that were to occur. The NRL had nothing to do with it.

I heard that Wings 3rd party deal was given to Croker

 

[BunniesMan]

NRL says no to Inglis, so sudden player sale looms

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...er-sale-looms-20101218-1918z.html?from=smh_sb

SOUTH SYDNEY face the prospect of shedding players to accommodate Greg Inglis after the NRL blocked his proposed move to Redfern.
In a scathing assessment of the Rabbitohs' handling of the transfer saga, the NRL has insisted the full value of a number of Inglis's third-party agreements be covered by the salary cap. The Sun-Herald understands four contracts were scrutinised by cap auditor Ian Schubert:
❏ A $100,000 deal revolving around Aboriginal welfare with the NSW Health Department;
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❏ A $50,000 deal with ANZ Stadium;
❏ A $25,000 deal with WA Spit Roast;
❏ A $25,000 deal with an inner-city car dealership.
All of them raised red flags at league headquarters.
Despite being warned not to make announcements until the NRL scrutinised the contracts, Souths co-owner Russell Crowe boasted about the $1.8 million deal to an audience of millions on US television's Tonight Show with Jay Leno last month.
Schubert found deals submitted as ''arm's length'' third-party agreements were in fact drafted by the club and, in some cases, revised with the sponsor without the involvement of Inglis's manager, Allan Gainey. The contracts were also in place before a playing contract was signed.
Souths issued a brief statement yesterday expressing their disappointment with the decision and their desire to keep Inglis in league.
Their best chance of pushing the deal through is to offload at least one of their star players, something Souths CEO Shane Richardson initially vowed not to do. It is understood some of the club's biggest names are on heavily back-ended deals next year, with Roy Asotasi on $450,000, Michael Crocker $300,000 and John Sutton $400,000. Beau Champion was recently shopped to Parramatta but they baulked at his asking price. The Eels are more interested in another Souths centre, Taioalo ''Junior'' Vaivai. Utility Jamie Simpson and fullback Rhys Wesser (about $160,000) could be other options to be released.
Given that Inglis only became a free agent as a result of the Storm salary cap debacle, the NRL has taken its time considering the issue. Yet Souths pressed the league for a speedy determination - although some legal documents were only made available on Friday afternoon - prompting yesterday's announcement.
''Given the circumstances under which Greg became available to South Sydney, nobody can have been under any doubt about the importance of ensuring his contract complied with the cap,'' said NRL chief executive David Gallop.
''The NRL had already required the Broncos to include third-party agreements within their calculation of the contract value and was insisting legal fees also be included when those negotiations ceased. South Sydney had been advised to have all proposed offers reviewed by the NRL before making any commitments.
"They chose not to do so, and it has taken some time to access all details of the agreements.
"It is unfortunate for Greg that he is in the middle of a difficult situation, and I assured him this week that these issues do not reflect on him but that they are matters for clubs in assessing the offers that they make.
''He is one of the game's most highly valued players, and we have assured him of that in no uncertain terms. That said, the cap has to apply fairly to all clubs, and one club cannot be allowed to do what others were prevented from doing. The rules on third-party deals are clear.
"We have worked with clubs and players by substantially increasing the amount that sponsors can pay players through the $300,000 marquee player allowance in 2011 but without rules on third-party agreements there would be no point in having a salary cap system."
The Sun-Herald revealed earlier this month that Souths might attempt to resolve the impasse by legally challenging the existence of the salary cap, with their chairman, Nick Pappas, likely to lead the charge.
The only NRL club with enough money left under the cap for Inglis is Parramatta, although it is unclear if coach Stephen Kearney, who worked with Inglis at the Storm, is interested.
Inglis, who reneged on an agreement with Brisbane, is still no closer to finding a home for next season.
The NRL's decision also clouds the future of New Zealand hooker Issac Luke, who was poised to extend his contract until the end of 2015.

It's mind boggling that they think the bloody NSW health department would agree to a dodgy deal. ANZ stadium too.

 

[Big Pete]

If this situation has taught us anything it shows that third party deals and their relation to the salary cap need to be reviewed pronto.

That and fans have to let go of their dated visions of Rugby League players earning the same wage as them, instead, allow them earn what other sportsmen in the country earn for far less work.

I'm really getting sick of lines like, we'll replace them because the truth is it's far better to include these players than simply replace them. Also, ask any Broncos fan what they thought of their replacements of Tuqiri and Sailor - hardly ideal.

 

[TheDalek079]

I heard that Wings 3rd party deal was given to Croker

that's my understanding of it too

 

[kia ora storm]

So the Rabbits now have to get rid of Crocker, Champion and Lowe to keep Inglis...if they choose to this good luck but they could end up in a similar situation to the Broncos in the last two years with an average side built around Folau who they paid overs for.

Champion would be a good pick up IMO. Crocker is past his use by date and is too injury prone.

Lowe coud join his brother at Storm...

 

[Canard]

After all the debate, with Souths now having to shed players surely this is a sure sign that the Salary cap is working, and doesn't allow one club to hoard players.

 

[jaycee_17th]

Our marquee players SHOULD be getting similar deals to other Australian sportsmen..

I'd have to disagree with this though, you have to take into account the nature, popularity and history of our game compared to others. And given cirumstances the NRL is at the moment I dont really think it is best to compare our players with the rest of sportsmen.

By accepting the fact that our game is still evolving which is POSITIVE btw we will be able to move on and make some changes and eventually become the best we can ever be.

All the rortings, scandal, players leaving will all be part of NRL's history and imo its all good for as long as we're doing all we can to rise above the challenge and grow. Acceptance is first step towards anything. I'd say we're not yet there but we will definitely be there maybe in 2-3 years in time.

 

[babyg]

Third party rule is a joke. Clubs should be allowed to sign 2 or 3 marque players and be allowed to pay them whatever the f**k they want. Especially when the it is not even the clubs money they are using. Again the nrl is not maximising its revenue streams. How does restricting sponsorship protect clubs from going broke.

 

[bubblesunlimited]

Now I can't wait for the cliche filled drivel from certain Souths fans.

An example of this will be:

Champion, Crocker and Lowe have been proud warriors for the SSDRLFC, they have shed blood for this proud club and will happily sacrifice themselves for the future benefit of this club where dreams come true and I am sure they will understand and hold no malice to the club where dreams come true.


Just another reason to hate Souths, now you can add lying cap cheats to the list. Onya Richo.

 

[Big Pete]

I'd have to disagree with this though, you have to take into account the nature, popularity and history of our game compared to others. And given cirumstances the NRL is at the moment I dont really think it is best to compare our players with the rest of sportsmen.

By accepting the fact that our game is still evolving which is POSITIVE btw we will be able to move on and make some changes and eventually become the best we can ever be.

All the rortings, scandal, players leaving will all be part of NRL's history and imo its all good for as long as we're doing all we can to rise above the challenge and grow. Acceptance is first step towards anything. I'd say we're not yet there but we will definitely be there maybe in 2-3 years in time.

Good post.

When I say should, I mean exactly that, it's all wishful thinking. In reality, if we can afford to give players extra money like we did for Andrew Johns in 2004 then I say we should.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

It's mind boggling that they think the bloody NSW health department would agree to a dodgy deal. ANZ stadium too.

Shouldn't it be the Queensland Health Department?

Would this mean the taxes of NSW people will be going to the bloke who walked out on his state to play for Qld? This just gets better and better.

And the very idea that the company that owns Souths' home ground could be considered a third party is quite ridiculous too. Especially when that company lured Souths there with a cheap deal to begin with. It makes a mockery of the third party rule, which is probably an accurate reflection of it.

 

[jc155776]

It's mind boggling that they think the bloody NSW health department would agree to a dodgy deal. ANZ stadium too.

Are you that f**king stupid????

ANZ Stadium own the ground Soufs play at.

You think they are a true third party??

Suck sh*t you trackhead.

Went off way to soon and look at it now.

Watch Soufs now unload some nufty and claim he was on 350k.

 

[thorson1987]

its not going to be as easy as some are thinking. They need to offload a few players, hope that other clubs will pay overs for them so it doesnt count against their cap, then sign some players on minimum wage.

 

[jc155776]

Yep Soufs fans probably dont realise that any player released must be replaced by one at least 60k a year.

So releasing a player at 200k (and having a team pay the FULL amount) actually only saves 140k of the cap.

 

[thorson1987]

actly

Yep Soufs fans probably dont realise that any player released must be replaced by one at least 60k a year.

So releasing a player at 200k (and having a team pay the FULL amount) actually only saves 140k of the cap.

Exactly. And thats only if Parra want to pay ridiculous overs for them. Parra could just offer them a 100k contract then the rest still counts towards souths cap.