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Gus and his hidden truths

Kaz

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http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,12650263-23214,00.html

I am not in the business of wasting space in this column on people with little or no significance remaining in the game but a shamefully inaccurate attack on the former South Sydney management in a column under Phil Gould's name in a Sunday newspaper needs to be addressed.

Gould was critical of the management for looking for a quick fix when they were reinstated to the NRL instead of concentrating on setting up a junior system with long-term plans.

He wrote: "The football club panicked. Instead of being patient ... and introducing an extensive junior development program system, Souths wanted instant results and paid the penalty."

Now let's cast our minds back to the days when Souths won their court case, and to what Gould forgot to mention.

George Piggins was the man in charge and the first person he hired was Phil Gould. Gould was in charge of player recruitment. He answered to no one. He had the open chequebook and signed whomever he wanted. And he even appointed Adam Muir the captain.

"Gould and Paul Dunn were in charge of all the recruiting, I had nothing to do with it," Piggins confirmed this week.

"I was keen on looking back through the Australian schoolboys teams to see what younger players were available.

"But they went the other way."

Coach Craig Coleman could not sign anyone without going through Gould, who was even behind the move to get Dunn as chief executive.

He spent around $3million on players, paying outrageous amounts for what was proven to be a pretty ordinary player roster.

So it looks like it was Gould, and not the Souths management, that lacked the foresight and the vision to put money aside for a promising batch of younger players who would be coming through now.

Not that he stuck around to see it through. Shortly after the money was spent the great man walked out to rejoin the Sydney Roosters.

And not that it was the first time he's walked out early. I can recall him doing the same at Penrith, at Canterbury and at the Roosters before.

Now let's examine his claims of being an independent commentator in his media work for Channel 9 and his Fairfax newspaper column.

This is another load of rubbish.

Here is a man who has used his position to positively talk up employers and mates whenever it suits.

Not so long ago, Nine's publicity department was pestering newspaper reporters, offering various angles for positive Footy Show stories to arrest a ratings slide.

All of a sudden Gould devotes an entire column to write what a wonderful, sincere, misunderstood person the host Paul Vautin is. Even Fatty, who loves publicity, would have measured it a 7.3 on the Cringe Factor.

When his Channel 9 boss Kerry Packer was trying to drum up business with the international sports betting firm Betfair, Gould dedicated an entire page to praising the organisation.

Another dreadful piece of journalism at a newspaper organisation that allegedly prides itself on playing it down the middle. Cringe factor 8.5.

He has written complimentary columns about player manager Wayne Beavis while not always declaring he, too, is managed by Beavis.

A 6.8 on the Cringe Factor.

And then there are the columns he has written about his Roosters boss Nick Politis. Once Gould revealed Politis had sent him a fruit bowl to his Gold Coast holiday destination because he appreciated him so much.

For the highly respected Politis, it was a solid 8.9 on the Cringe Factor. How embarrassed must the poor bloke have been?

How many of Gould's anti-NRL, anti-News Ltd stories have anything to do with the fact he was on the ARL pay-roll and made millions himself out of the Super League war combined with his coaching payments at the Roosters.

We could go on and on but I must own up to being light on research here, as I try not to make a habit of reading his depressing views.

Senior and influential figures in rugby league no longer take much notice of what he writes or says.

Privately, those he claims to be closest to are now bagging him behind his back.

I cannot reveal their names here because I have been told in confidence. His Channel 9 employers are gravely concerned about Gould's negativity and constant talking down of the game.

So much so that he has been hauled in by Nine boss David Gyngell and told in no uncertain terms that he is not to comment on rugby league politics - just stick to analysing the football.

Week in, week out he writes negative stories about rugby league and the NRL management, conveniently overlooking the fact that the game is enjoying record crowds, record sponsorships, record TV ratings and that the players are producing the best and most spectacular brand of football we have ever seen.

And the best example of his acrobatics happened after the Blues State of Origin camp last year when Mark Gasnier and Anthony Minichiello were sacked from the team over the phone message scandal.

"I am not a football coach anymore and I don't want to be," he wrote in his independent column. "Some of my players have done the wrong thing and I am filthy.

"Two of the players come from my club, the Roosters, and I cannot begin to tell you how much that hurts. With others I knew the risks and, unfortunately, they have lived up to my expectations."

A week later, he had changed tune: "The media will probably now say that I am over-reacting to the situation, but if anyone has over-reacted it is them. I think the general public know what a huge over-reaction this has been."

But it was too late. He had quit and there was no way Geoff Carr and Colin Love were going to ask him back. They immediately made overtures for Ricky Stuart to take over. And there lies the problem we are facing now.

As one of his bosses told me recently: "It's always a worry when Gus drops out of the limelight. He really struggles with it. He can't handle it.

"It's usually at these times that he'll say anything or write anything to get his name in the newspaper or his head on television."

And I guess I've just fallen for it again.
 

ngap

Juniors
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Can we have News limited and Gould stop their chipping at each other. It makes both look like tiny minded idiots and no-one is really interested in reading either and it doesn't help the game.
 

brenno

Juniors
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872
I believe Gus is a bonafide tosser like the next person but, "Rocky" Rothfield needs to get a life or a brain transplant. His constant smear campaign against Gus is boring and tedious for those people who really couldn't give a rats. Discuss the game not your agendas you morons!
 

Misanthrope

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Haha, so true. As much as I hate him, Gould keeps things interesting all year 'round.
 

madunit

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How he is wrong in saying that Souths went for a quick fix when he went out to sign big name players for big dollars?

As far as I can see, that is trying to buy a winning team, that is a quick fix.

Also, you forget to realise that it was Souths managements fault, because Gould was actually a part of Souths management at the time, how else could he get the job as recruitment officer?

Kaz said:
Here is a man who has used his position to positively talk up employers and mates whenever it suits.

Not so long ago, Nine's publicity department was pestering newspaper reporters, offering various angles for positive Footy Show stories to arrest a ratings slide.
Source?
Kaz said:
Privately, those he claims to be closest to are now bagging him behind his back.

I cannot reveal their names here because I have been told in confidence. His Channel 9 employers are gravely concerned about Gould's negativity and constant talking down of the game.
If you can't source or reveal it then don't say it? This is an allegation with no proof you realise.....defamation???

Kaz said:
And the best example of his acrobatics happened after the Blues State of Origin camp last year when Mark Gasnier and Anthony Minichiello were sacked from the team over the phone message scandal.

"I am not a football coach anymore and I don't want to be," he wrote in his independent column. "Some of my players have done the wrong thing and I am filthy.

"Two of the players come from my club, the Roosters, and I cannot begin to tell you how much that hurts. With others I knew the risks and, unfortunately, they have lived up to my expectations."

A week later, he had changed tune: "The media will probably now say that I am over-reacting to the situation, but if anyone has over-reacted it is them. I think the general public know what a huge over-reaction this has been."
How is that changing his tune? He was disappointed at the players involved in the incident, however he never said it didn't happen? He was disappointed and said that it was blown out of proportion. Thats not changing any tune in my view.

Kaz said:
As one of his bosses told me recently: "It's always a worry when Gus drops out of the limelight. He really struggles with it. He can't handle it.

"It's usually at these times that he'll say anything or write anything to get his name in the newspaper or his head on television."
Quoting nameless people without any sources again.

Kaz, you seem to have let your hatred for Gould deter your vision, a lot of your comments in here are lacking thought or solid evidence, just a lot of heresay and opinion. Sure there are some truths in there but all in all its nothing more than unfounded comments trying to back up a one sided opinion.
 

ironcross

Juniors
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How much longer do the fans have to put up with Phil Gould's biased comments?

I really don't care if he writes all these articles.. I really don't care what he says on the footy show, but when he commentates a Roosters game, it is disgusting. Sure some other commentators are biased as well, but this guy is revolting to say the least.
 

innsaneink

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madunit said:
How he is wrong in saying that Souths went for a quick fix when he went out to sign big name players for big dollars?

As far as I can see, that is trying to buy a winning team, that is a quick fix.

Also, you forget to realise that it was Souths managements fault, because Gould was actually a part of Souths management at the time, how else could he get the job as recruitment officer?

Kaz said:
Here is a man who has used his position to positively talk up employers and mates whenever it suits.

Not so long ago, Nine's publicity department was pestering newspaper reporters, offering various angles for positive Footy Show stories to arrest a ratings slide.
Source?
Kaz said:
Privately, those he claims to be closest to are now bagging him behind his back.

I cannot reveal their names here because I have been told in confidence. His Channel 9 employers are gravely concerned about Gould's negativity and constant talking down of the game.
If you can't source or reveal it then don't say it? This is an allegation with no proof you realise.....defamation???

Kaz said:
And the best example of his acrobatics happened after the Blues State of Origin camp last year when Mark Gasnier and Anthony Minichiello were sacked from the team over the phone message scandal.

"I am not a football coach anymore and I don't want to be," he wrote in his independent column. "Some of my players have done the wrong thing and I am filthy.

"Two of the players come from my club, the Roosters, and I cannot begin to tell you how much that hurts. With others I knew the risks and, unfortunately, they have lived up to my expectations."

A week later, he had changed tune: "The media will probably now say that I am over-reacting to the situation, but if anyone has over-reacted it is them. I think the general public know what a huge over-reaction this has been."
How is that changing his tune? He was disappointed at the players involved in the incident, however he never said it didn't happen? He was disappointed and said that it was blown out of proportion. Thats not changing any tune in my view.

Kaz said:
As one of his bosses told me recently: "It's always a worry when Gus drops out of the limelight. He really struggles with it. He can't handle it.

"It's usually at these times that he'll say anything or write anything to get his name in the newspaper or his head on television."
Quoting nameless people without any sources again.

Kaz, you seem to have let your hatred for Gould deter your vision, a lot of your comments in here are lacking thought or solid evidence, just a lot of heresay and opinion. Sure there are some truths in there but all in all its nothing more than unfounded comments trying to back up a one sided opinion.

Kaz's comments?? :lol:

All the bright lights & bells are getting to you unit. :lol:

Youre letting your hatred of Souths :?: 'deter' :?: your vision.

Phil Rothfield.
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Gus can 'write' a decent article when he, or his ghost writer, puts their mind to it, but usually its just the same biased, un-impartial views. :lol:
 
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innsaneink said:
madunit said:
How he is wrong in saying that Souths went for a quick fix when he went out to sign big name players for big dollars?

As far as I can see, that is trying to buy a winning team, that is a quick fix.

Also, you forget to realise that it was Souths managements fault, because Gould was actually a part of Souths management at the time, how else could he get the job as recruitment officer?

Kaz said:
Here is a man who has used his position to positively talk up employers and mates whenever it suits.

Not so long ago, Nine's publicity department was pestering newspaper reporters, offering various angles for positive Footy Show stories to arrest a ratings slide.
Source?
Kaz said:
Privately, those he claims to be closest to are now bagging him behind his back.

I cannot reveal their names here because I have been told in confidence. His Channel 9 employers are gravely concerned about Gould's negativity and constant talking down of the game.
If you can't source or reveal it then don't say it? This is an allegation with no proof you realise.....defamation???

Kaz said:
And the best example of his acrobatics happened after the Blues State of Origin camp last year when Mark Gasnier and Anthony Minichiello were sacked from the team over the phone message scandal.

"I am not a football coach anymore and I don't want to be," he wrote in his independent column. "Some of my players have done the wrong thing and I am filthy.

"Two of the players come from my club, the Roosters, and I cannot begin to tell you how much that hurts. With others I knew the risks and, unfortunately, they have lived up to my expectations."

A week later, he had changed tune: "The media will probably now say that I am over-reacting to the situation, but if anyone has over-reacted it is them. I think the general public know what a huge over-reaction this has been."
How is that changing his tune? He was disappointed at the players involved in the incident, however he never said it didn't happen? He was disappointed and said that it was blown out of proportion. Thats not changing any tune in my view.

Kaz said:
As one of his bosses told me recently: "It's always a worry when Gus drops out of the limelight. He really struggles with it. He can't handle it.

"It's usually at these times that he'll say anything or write anything to get his name in the newspaper or his head on television."
Quoting nameless people without any sources again.

Kaz, you seem to have let your hatred for Gould deter your vision, a lot of your comments in here are lacking thought or solid evidence, just a lot of heresay and opinion. Sure there are some truths in there but all in all its nothing more than unfounded comments trying to back up a one sided opinion.

Kaz's comments?? :lol:

All the bright lights & bells are getting to you unit. :lol:

Youre letting your hatred of Souths :?: 'deter' :?: your vision.

Phil Rothfield.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Gus can 'write' a decent article when he, or his ghost writer, puts their mind to it, but usually its just the same biased, un-impartial views. :lol:

Gould is a columnist, not a journalist. He's paid for his opinion. Is it "biased"? Well, of course it is. It's biased towards _his beliefs_.

It's a pretty simple concept. I'm not sure why you're unable to grasp it.
 

Rexxy

Coach
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"I AM not in the business of wasting space in this column on people with little or no significance remaining in the game"

Coming from a flunky like Phil Rothfield, that is priceless.
 

Kaz

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madunit said:
Kaz, you seem to have let your hatred for Gould deter your vision, a lot of your comments in here are lacking thought or solid evidence, just a lot of heresay and opinion. Sure there are some truths in there but all in all its nothing more than unfounded comments trying to back up a one sided opinion.

:roll:

Did you click on the link I provided.

Obviously NOT. ;-)

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,12650263-23214,00.html
 

Copa

Bench
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Phil Gould is an idiot. he didn't even know Australia was playing GB&I during the tri-nations. He thought we were playing England and kept saying that during the matches.... joke
 

Eddie.

Bench
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Gould is the best commentator Channel 9 have got by a fair stretch. Fools such as Cheif biggest statement of the day is too say how great an occasion Sunday Afternoon Football is every week, and Mario with his a strong Souths makes for a strong rugby league.

At least Gould provides some interesting comments, when he is talking football and leaving the politics behind.
 

simon says

First Grade
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I agree.....Gould can be a pain at times,but I usually like what he has to say...

People on here really seem to hate him though,is it because of the Roosters success???
 

Kiwi

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simon says said:
I agree.....Gould can be a pain at times,but I usually like what he has to say...

People on here really seem to hate him though,is it because of the Roosters success???

It's got nothing to do with the Roosters , and everything to do with him.

Wayne Bennett isn't hated like Gould, and people actually want to hear what Wayne has to say.
 

simon says

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People like to hear what Bennet has to say..... :lol: :lol:

What a load of rot.I couldnt give a fig what that grunpy old man has to say....and as if he doesnt have his own agendas to boot.

Pffft.
 

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