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Gus wants Origin / international eligibility reviewed!

Matua

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Great change and long overdue.

It's criminal that AFB, born and raised in Sydney, can't play for NSW because he played 16mins off the bench for NZ as a 20yr old, same with Taumalolo for QLD

This rule will only affect a handful of players, it won't change the fabric of the game or make it an 'All Stars' game.
That's been the only good thing about his disgusting selection in the Kiwis.

I see Jahrome Hughes has come out and said he wont play even if he's eligible.
 

Bazal

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Long overdue change tbh. Unsure why it's causing any disagreement at all...
 

T-Boon

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I see Jahrome Hughes has come out and said he wont play even if he's eligible.
We need all players who haven't yet played origin to do this - that is, come out and declare one way or the other much like a college footballer declaring for the NFL draft.
The player should need to submit an application. We don't want the embarrassment of Laurie Daley picking a player who then says they are not interested.
 

Gobsmacked

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We need all players who haven't yet played origin to do this - that is, come out and declare one way or the other much like a college footballer declaring for the NFL draft.
The player should need to submit an application. We don't want the embarrassment of Laurie Daley picking a player who then says they are not interested.
"don't want the embarrassment of Laurie Daley"

True but too late!!
 

Dogs Of War

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"don't want the embarrassment of Laurie Daley"

True but too late!!

We got rid of him, and then brought him back. I don't know why we aren't hitting up fired coaches from that year. Not all are total duds, and I'm sure plenty would be looking to redeem themselves on that stage. Laurie is just too soft a guy and doesn't have that killer instinct off the field.
 

Gobsmacked

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We got rid of him, and then brought him back. I don't know why we aren't hitting up fired coaches from that year. Not all are total duds, and I'm sure plenty would be looking to redeem themselves on that stage. Laurie is just too soft a guy and doesn't have that killer instinct off the field.
You don't need to be a coach for Origin, at least not a fully practicing one. The players in the squad have all the knowledge you need.
You need someone inspirational to motivate the playing group.

The only motivation I see Daley having is the ability to round up some single moms for a solid Tupperware party.
 

Matua

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We need all players who haven't yet played origin to do this - that is, come out and declare one way or the other much like a college footballer declaring for the NFL draft.
The player should need to submit an application. We don't want the embarrassment of Laurie Daley picking a player who then says they are not interested.
Although, declarations don't really mean much though, Fatso Taumalolo declared for NZ, got the pip with the coach in a one off match and then switched his team a couple of weeks out from a tournament.
 

Dogs Of War

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You don't need to be a coach for Origin, at least not a fully practicing one. The players in the squad have all the knowledge you need.
You need someone inspirational to motivate the playing group.

The only motivation I see Daley having is the ability to round up some single moms for a solid Tupperware party.

I don't totally agree with that. I feel you need to have some game planning and ensuring you are getting that group on the same page. The players should have some input, but you need to be able to take advantage of mismatches or change on the fly. It's more than QLD coaches just rolling out Billy Moore yelling QLD'er which gets them the win.
 

Reflector

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We got rid of him, and then brought him back. I don't know why we aren't hitting up fired coaches from that year. Not all are total duds, and I'm sure plenty would be looking to redeem themselves on that stage. Laurie is just too soft a guy and doesn't have that killer instinct off the field.
Same reason I'd never have wanted 'Chief' Harragon to coach the team. Being a leader on the field as a player and being a leader as coach are two entirely different things. See also: Wally.

If the NSWRL wish to maintain their "no competing club commitments" policy, then their coaching criteria should be either:

a) Coach out of a job who wants to show they've still got what it takes (e.g Madge, maybe Des right now?)

b) Aspiring NRL coach who wants to show they're cut out for an NRL gig.

Not interested in part-timers who just see it as a winter gig. Don't care how passionate they are for NSW or what they did as a player. They need that hunger and dedication.
 

Reflector

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I don't totally agree with that. I feel you need to have some game planning and ensuring you are getting that group on the same page. The players should have some input, but you need to be able to take advantage of mismatches or change on the fly. It's more than QLD coaches just rolling out Billy Moore yelling QLD'er which gets them the win.
Exactly.

The most frustrating part is that (while he's clearly a level above Laurie Loser and possibly Space Freddie before he lost the plot) Billygrub clearly has a glass jaw, which Loz is too nice to take aim at but Madge "I'll cut my f**king pinkie off if f**king Souths aren't f**king in this f**king game of f**king footy" McGuire played masterfully in 2024.
 

Gobsmacked

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I don't totally agree with that. I feel you need to have some game planning and ensuring you are getting that group on the same page. The players should have some input, but you need to be able to take advantage of mismatches or change on the fly. It's more than QLD coaches just rolling out Billy Moore yelling QLD'er which gets them the win.
I'm not suggesting anyone who doesn't know anything.
One of the most famous victories came for QLD from Paul Vorten.. I don't remember him being a noted coach. Billy Slater isn't a coach..

Anyone who's played Rugby league at the highest level for 10 plus years has ample knowledge to organize all that which you've mentioned, along with that are assistant coaches, trainers.. they're literally sitting on the main vain of resources anyone could ever have all condensed into an 80 minute performance. All the brains of NSW is at their fingertips. Even Daly had Craig Bellamy sitting beside him advising him.

The coach is just a leader.
You need someone who is a natural leader and motivator.

You can disagree all you want but somehow only those North of the border get it and it's the edge in Bills favor.

Why do you think Madge won? Because he's a master strategist?? He made multiple rookie errors in selection and in game rotation..he won because he's a passionate motivational leader.
 

Reflector

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I'm not suggesting anyone who doesn't know anything.
One of the most famous victories came for QLD from Paul Vorten.. I don't remember him being a noted coach. Billy Slater isn't a coach..

Anyone who's played Rugby league at the highest level for 10 plus years has ample knowledge to organize all that which you've mentioned, along with that are assistant coaches, trainers.. they're literally sitting on the main vain of resources anyone could ever have all condensed into an 80 minute performance. All the brains of NSW is at their fingertips. Even Daly had Craig Bellamy sitting beside him advising him.

The coach is just a leader.
You need someone who is a natural leader and motivator.

You can disagree all you want but somehow only those North of the border get it and it's the edge in Bills favor.

Why do you think Madge won? Because he's a master strategist?? He made multiple rookie errors in selection and in game rotation..he won because he's a passionate motivational leader.
He won in 1995 against a coach who (in addition to coaching Easts) was also on the forefront of the SuperLeague war. Gus admitted later he should've managed that period a lot better.

The Narrative (TM) means that all the focus is on that 1995 series, yet it's convenient to ignore the following series where with:

a) The SL-aligned Qld players coming back into the Maroons team AND
b) Games 1 and 3 at Suncorp

Qld got swept 3-0. Apparently the SL-aligned players didn't respect Fatty and there was a lack of cohesion in the Maroons camp.

That 1995 blip aside, Origin has otherwise been very much influenced by the coaching set-up at the time.
 

Dogs Of War

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Why do you think Madge won? Because he's a master strategist?? He made multiple rookie errors in selection and in game rotation..he won because he's a passionate motivational leader.

He also just came out of club land so had his fingers on the pulse on how to adjust to stuff on the field and when to raise the tempo on field. Just cause a head coach has advisors doesn't mean they are listening to them or know how to pull the trigger when big decisions need to be made. Like the time Daley threw Cook into centre. But there are plenty examples of decisions Daley should have made, like using his 18th man at times when it was an option for him, where he has decided to not pull the trigger. That is something that part time coaches like a Daley, just don't get. Slater was a little different for QLD in that he wasn't that long out of the game. While Daley is a relic.

As for the whole Fatty thing. It shows that his whole gameplan was just defence, which reflected in the score lines for that series. All of unknown players at the time thinking it might be there only opportunity to do that. While the next year he got flogged 3 nil cause passion only takes you so far.
 

Dogs Of War

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As a Queenslander.. please never change guys.

Just want Daley out. Give us Des Hasler. He will sort it all out for the next few years. Then we will hear bleating like we did when NSW won 3 in a row just before you guys went on your streak, that Origin is dead. It's only dead when NSW are winning too much.
 

Gobsmacked

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Just want Daley out. Give us Des Hasler. He will sort it all out for the next few years. Then we will hear bleating like we did when NSW won 3 in a row just before you guys went on your streak, that Origin is dead. It's only dead when NSW are winning too much.
I think Des has clocked off.
 
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