halves for next year?

[Maroubra Eel]

I suppose you could say the WE have got nothing to lose. But Stephen Kearney might have his job to lose. :lol:

I really hope they give Kearney a fair crack at it. I would be very disappointed if they didn't give him at least 8 games before they started inserting the knife in his back.

 

[Djay]

I suppose you could say the WE have got nothing to lose. But Stephen Kearney might have his job to lose. :lol:

True, or it could be a masterstroke.

 

[Bazal]

I'd actually like to see....

6-McGuire
7-Murray

At some stage, see how it goes. Murray is young, inexperienced and raw...but let's face it, he's our only genuine halfback, fullstop. Humble is a great talent but he needs time and, really, is a 6. I'd like to see Murray get a go with the experienced but still skillfull McGuire outside him, he's got the vision none of our other options have. I might not start with that option but I'd definitely want to see it tested at some stage. Humble and Mortimer can be 6 and 7 for Wenty, learn a combination and fight for the FG 6 jersey. It also allows Mortimer (or Humble, whoever) to learn how to play 7 if Murray isn't up to it. But honestly, as big a gamble as it is, I think Murray as our only genuine halfback has to be there.

 

[lingard]

I'd actually like to see....

6-McGuire
7-Murray

At some stage, see how it goes. Murray is young, inexperienced and raw...but let's face it, he's our only genuine halfback, fullstop. Humble is a great talent but he needs time and, really, is a 6. I'd like to see Murray get a go with the experienced but still skillfull McGuire outside him, he's got the vision none of our other options have. I might not start with that option but I'd definitely want to see it tested at some stage. Humble and Mortimer can be 6 and 7 for Wenty, learn a combination and fight for the FG 6 jersey. It also allows Mortimer (or Humble, whoever) to learn how to play 7 if Murray isn't up to it. But honestly, as big a gamble as it is, I think Murray as our only genuine halfback has to be there.

You could be right, Bazal. But you could just as easily be wrong about Murray. He`s totally untested. The two words that stand out for me are Big and Gamble.

 

[yy_cheng]

Well that is one of the strangest sides I have seen. I would have agreed with Burt at 7, 5 years ago but not now.

I think he is better at 2 or 1 but Hayne has to stay at 1. He is not a 6. I don't want Tonga, very overrated player and is only wanted because he is a junior. I would rather we sign a guy like Phil Graham. I would be tempted to give Atkins a go in the centres. If we struugle to get a halves pairing then put Reddy at 6 but Mortimer is a better 6.

The way I see it, Burt has the skillset and has shown some of this in the past.

Secondly, it is only a stop gap solution, hopefully for 1 or 2 years when we sign someone decent.

At the moment out of Burt, Mortz, Murray, Humble, Robson,

Best Short kicking game at NRL Level = Burt
Best Long kicking game at NRL Level = Burt
Setting up plays in opposition 20 = Burt has shown the skills in the past. I don't know where it was in 2010, he somehow camped himself on the wing but in the past, he was playing alot of 2nd receiver.


Murray is an option too but he hasn't played NRL. Worth a crack but hard to say.

However, Burt can't do it all himself and so I would put Hayne at 6.

If Orford comes then of course

1. Hayne
6. Don't Care
7. Orford

 

[yy_cheng]

You could be right, Bazal. But you could just as easily be wrong about Murray. He`s totally untested. The two words that stand out for me are Big and Gamble.

I totally agree.

I would predict

6. Mortz
7. Murray

would not help us much.

 

[Eelementary]

That it a ridiculous attempt at justifying an even more ridiculous decision. I would have expected that to come from a 3P propaganda release, not from you! Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I guess. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

How is it ridiculous, though? It's fact.

I was keen on Ando and at first I was unhappy with Kearney. I still think Ando was harshly treated.

But Anderson has never won an NRL Premiership. Steven Kearney won a World Cup and was mentored by two of the modern era's great coaches in Bennett and Bellamy.

I am not saying he is going to be brilliant, but I am saying to gie Kearney a fair go. He hasn't achieved anything less than Anderson, the way I see it.

 

[caylo]

How is it ridiculous, though? It's fact.

I was keen on Ando and at first I was unhappy with Kearney. I still think Ando was harshly treated.

But Anderson has never won an NRL Premiership. Steven Kearney won a World Cup and was mentored by two of the modern era's great coaches in Bennett and Bellamy.

I am not saying he is going to be brilliant, but I am saying to gie Kearney a fair go. He hasn't achieved anything less than Anderson, the way I see it.

Anderson won two GF with in the ESL and made four consecutive GF. He should be held up there with some of the better coaches in the NRL.

I don't know what actually happened behind the scenes but I think Anderson should have been given a chance next year. Let him pick his team and as the saying goes "you live by the sword, you die by the sword"

 

[Wise Old Eel]

How is it ridiculous, though? It's fact.

I was keen on Ando and at first I was unhappy with Kearney. I still think Ando was harshly treated.

But Anderson has never won an NRL Premiership. Steven Kearney won a World Cup and was mentored by two of the modern era's great coaches in Bennett and Bellamy.

I am not saying he is going to be brilliant, but I am saying to gie Kearney a fair go. He hasn't achieved anything less than Anderson, the way I see it.

...OK.

So, let me get this straight. By your reasoning, you are more than happy to keep the coaching merry-go-round going. A coach gets 2 years and if they do not meet the criteria of winning a premiership in that time, they should be shown the door? So come the end of season 2012 and we have no premiership, Kearney should also go. Right. This is becoming an expensive exercise. However, I suppose we would have no shortage of "wanna-be coaches" (obviously, experience and results other than premierships don't count) lining up because they would know they would only have to coach for 2 seasons but would get paid for 3!

Sarcasm aside (apologies if I crossed the line there), Kearney will not be treated the same way as Anderson if 3P stay in power. Kearney is who they wanted from day 1. Kearney will be afforded everything possible to get the job done. Kearney will have the spin doctors defending his position during the slow times. Anderson was not given ANY of this. The 3P sympathizers and the Telecrap-believers can say anything they like to the contrary but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put it all together.

I will continue to support the Eels (as I have for nearly 40 years) and I will hope the new coach can bring us a premiership - but I will NEVER agree with the way this administration went about their cause.

WOE

 

[Wise Old Eel]

Anderson won two GF with in the ESL and made four consecutive GF. He should be held up there with some of the better coaches in the NRL.

I don't know what actually happened behind the scenes but I think Anderson should have been given a chance next year. Let him pick his team and as the saying goes "you live by the sword, you die by the sword"

x2

 

[fanaticeel]

I will continue to support the Eels (as I have for nearly 40 years) and I will hope the new coach can bring us a premiership - but I will NEVER agree with the way this administration went about their cause.

WOE

Hear hear WOE..better than what Raider Pete carries on about.

 

[The Engineers Room]

The way I see it, Burt has the skillset and has shown some of this in the past.

Secondly, it is only a stop gap solution, hopefully for 1 or 2 years when we sign someone decent.

At the moment out of Burt, Mortz, Murray, Humble, Robson,

Best Short kicking game at NRL Level = Burt
Best Long kicking game at NRL Level = Burt
Setting up plays in opposition 20 = Burt has shown the skills in the past. I don't know where it was in 2010, he somehow camped himself on the wing but in the past, he was playing alot of 2nd receiver.


Murray is an option too but he hasn't played NRL. Worth a crack but hard to say.

However, Burt can't do it all himself and so I would put Hayne at 6.

If Orford comes then of course

1. Hayne
6. Don't Care
7. Orford

Fair enough that is your opinion. I am only pointing out that Hayne can still play second receiver from the back. I don't see why Mortimer should be so easily discarded. You can't just throw someone that hasn't played there before the number 7 and expect instant success, it takes time to learn to play there.

 

[yy_cheng]

Fair enough that is your opinion. I am only pointing out that Hayne can still play second receiver from the back.

That's also fine by me but if MOrtz is 6, make sure he plays the 1 role in support when Hayne does that. Otherwise, what is Mortz role? 40 million tackles. His biggest asset is his support play. But we don't see him supporting.

When Hayne plays second receiver, Mortz is player number 0. He has nothing to do so get him to play the support role. It's about communication between Hayne and Mortz. Not oh, Hayne jumped into second receiver so I'll just get my notepad out and watch and take notes.

I am fine with players playing different roles to their strengths but in 2010, they are not.

I don't see why Mortimer should be so easily discarded. You can't just throw someone that hasn't played there before the number 7 and expect instant success, it takes time to learn to play there.

That's correct but should be done at Wenty not at the expense of the NRL club. I would have mortz at 6 if we had a decent half. But alas, we don't.

 

[caylo]

That's also fine by me but if MOrtz is 6, make sure he plays the 1 role in support when Hayne does that. Otherwise, what is Mortz role? 40 million tackles. His biggest asset is his support play. But we don't see him supporting.

When Hayne plays second receiver, Mortz is player number 0. He has nothing to do so get him to play the support role. It's about communication between Hayne and Mortz. Not oh, Hayne jumped into second receiver so I'll just get my notepad out and watch and take notes.

I am fine with players playing different roles to their strengths but in 2010, they are not.

I think they should not complicate it, Hayne should be a hole runner and his playmaking abilities can come outwide as a second 5-8 not a the main go to man.
If morts is at 6, he should play six. He should be two wide of the scrum half and organise the edges which he doesn't. Unfortunatly with the way our halves are its was like Hayne was the halfback and they were following him and doing what they could.

That's correct but should be done at Wenty not at the expense of the NRL club. I would have mortz at 6 if we had a decent half. But alas, we don't.

I would start mortz in wenty irrespective of who is at 7, the kid has some serious deficencies in his game that he has to work on before he comes to grade. You don't learn to throw a spiral pass in the NRL, you learn that in u12s. He should go to wenty, play 5-8 and if he can perform and there is a spot form him in the team then he can be promoted. It about time he worked for his position rather then his last name working for him.
If Mortz improved his passing and kicking game (which IMO went backwards this year - not all his fault thou) then he would be a good player. He needs to also learn to run onto the ball, this gives you so many more options and doesn't mean your a sitting duck to defenders.

 

[yy_cheng]

If Mortz improved his passing and kicking game (which IMO went backwards this year - not all his fault thou) then he would be a good player. He needs to also learn to run onto the ball, this gives you so many more options and doesn't mean your a sitting duck to defenders.

My problem with Mortz is that he is not a natural kicker or passer. If he was a natural he would be doing this since Under 12s.

So he has to be manufactured into one.

THe natural kickers and passers do so effortlessly and sweetly. Like Scotty prince kicking the ball is so sweet.

When you manufacture it, it works if he has time but when he doesn't he will struggle.

Size doesn't matter either but because he is not a natural he would struggle.

OK as a part timer. But not ok if you don't have a quality halfback working next to you.

 

[SeftonBoy]

Cheng you've got no idea. TO suggest Burt's got the BEST long & short kicking game & is best at setting up plays in the opp 20. He's a winger always was always will be...and an ordinary one at that.
Go back to China dopey.

 

[strider]

Burt tore it up playing in a roving 5/8 type role for reserve grade a few years back (at a time when he was dropped) - he was awesome .... he has the skills .... problem is, that is reserve grade and in NRL Burty seems to be too timid to take on the tougher role a 5/8 has to deal with.

 

[SeftonBoy]

That makes him a good Reserve Grader Strider. I agree with you 100%.

 

[yy_cheng]

Cheng you've got no idea. TO suggest Burt's got the BEST long & short kicking game & is best at setting up plays in the opp 20. He's a winger always was always will be...and an ordinary one at that.
Go back to China dopey.

Mate, I said besides Hayne.

In our current squad today, who do you think have the best short, long kicking game besides Hayne at NRL LEVEL?

Who do you think is the best who sets up plays in the opposition 20 besides Hayne?

I would really like to know your opinion.

BTW, how long have you lived in Australia? Do you remember the 1977 grand final?

 

[SeftonBoy]

I can mate i remember the GF & the GF replay. I can actually remember the 1976 grand final. Who was captain of the 1976 side?

Even though they had an ordinary year Robson, Mortimer, Keating, Mateo, Humble would all be better options than Burt setting up play & kicking. He's a winger mate nothing more. IMO he should a Reserve Grade winger.

Mate you don't have to make comments when you don't know what you're talking about.