halves for next year?

[mrpwnd]

To be honest i dont think hayne can cut the mustard at 5/8
From what ive noticed of hayne he has all the skills and tricks anyone can wish for but he cant organise unlike lockyer who has less the athletic ability or flair but can count the numbers and organise a team.Each time hayne has tried to take complete control he looks like a fish out of water.He is a terrific fullback and a great suprise when he decides to chime in-But dont ask him to run the team-Maybe in 3 yrs when he is 25 but not yet.....

Well, tbh Lockyer plays more like a halfback to me nowadays.
Hayne is more the Marshall type of player as a playmaker, performs his best when paired with a halfback that can organise the line.
Look at when Lui started to really control his team during the latter half of the season and we saw Marshall chime in as 2nd reciever and last tackle options, Lui was merely the glue that held everything together with Marshall being the masterpiece.
I'd like Hayne to go 5/8 when he's like 29+ years of age, atm I'd really love for him to unleash his inner energy and potential, It'd be an absolute marvel to watch him when he watches his physical peak as an athlete.

 

[Eelementary]

Anderson won two GF with in the ESL and made four consecutive GF. He should be held up there with some of the better coaches in the NRL.

I don't know what actually happened behind the scenes but I think Anderson should have been given a chance next year. Let him pick his team and as the saying goes "you live by the sword, you die by the sword"

True. But the ESL is an entirely different beast.

...OK.

So, let me get this straight. By your reasoning, you are more than happy to keep the coaching merry-go-round going. A coach gets 2 years and if they do not meet the criteria of winning a premiership in that time, they should be shown the door? So come the end of season 2012 and we have no premiership, Kearney should also go. Right. This is becoming an expensive exercise. However, I suppose we would have no shortage of "wanna-be coaches" (obviously, experience and results other than premierships don't count) lining up because they would know they would only have to coach for 2 seasons but would get paid for 3!

Sarcasm aside (apologies if I crossed the line there), Kearney will not be treated the same way as Anderson if 3P stay in power. Kearney is who they wanted from day 1. Kearney will be afforded everything possible to get the job done. Kearney will have the spin doctors defending his position during the slow times. Anderson was not given ANY of this. The 3P sympathizers and the Telecrap-believers can say anything they like to the contrary but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put it all together.

I will continue to support the Eels (as I have for nearly 40 years) and I will hope the new coach can bring us a premiership - but I will NEVER agree with the way this administration went about their cause.

WOE

Not at all - I am a keen fan of Ando's. I think he was harshly treated.

But my point is this: Anderson is hailed as a very good coach because he made two NRL Grand Finals. Steve Kearney won a World Cup with an underdog team and somehow that doesn't equate to the man having talent?

I would have liked for Ando to have stayed and gotten a crack at coaching the team he was building. But it wasn't to be.

And instead of signing a nobody, we went out and signed a guy who was mentored by two great coaches, has won a World Cup as a coach and is highly regarded by many. I think that, the Daniel Anderson saga aside, we have done very well here.

 

[mrpwnd]

For what it's worth, Kearney still got NZ within 2 points difference during the last test match and that was without Bennett.
I guess thinking about it logically he isn't too shabby, but the actual judgement will have to wait come 2011.

 

[SeftonBoy]

Yeah, we get it...you don't like Burt. But you'll forgive me if I take credence the opinions of the 4 straight coaches who have picked him in first grade over the last ten years as opposed to the views of one anonymous (and clearly racist, not really a plus in the brains column) nuffy on a forum.

Mr Bazal
1. Over the 10 years Luke Burt has not always been in the NRL side. I remember at times he was a Reserve Grader. In addition, he has played fullback at other times & not at winger. The guy was a liability as a winger in 2010 & NRL stats say that. He was obviously won't play fullback because Hayne is there - Hayne is not a five-eighth - so my problem is that Luke Burt should not be in the side for 2011. 1. Hayne 2. Atkins 5. Grothe.

2. Lighten up mate. I was having a joke. Are you sure you don't suffer from the Poor Me Syndrome?

Mr Cheng
1. I might be an old codger but i'd still run rings around you.
2. Thanks for nice comments about my bi-polar issues.

 

[SeftonBoy]

Yeah, we get it...you don't like Burt. But you'll forgive me if I take credence the opinions of the 4 straight coaches who have picked him in first grade over the last ten years as opposed to the views of one anonymous (and clearly racist, not really a plus in the brains column) nuffy on a forum.

Mr Bazal
1. Over the 10 years Luke Burt has not always been in the NRL side. I remember at times he was a Reserve Grader. In addition, he has played fullback at other times & not at winger. The guy was a liability as a winger in 2010 & NRL stats say that. He was obviously won't play fullback because Hayne is there - Hayne is not a five-eighth - so my problem is that Luke Burt should not be in the side for 2011. 1. Hayne 2. Atkins 5. Grothe.

2. Lighten up mate. I was having a joke. Are you sure you don't suffer from the Poor Me Syndrome?

Mr Cheng
1. I might be an old codger but i'd still run rings around you.
2. Thanks for nice comments about my bi-polar issues.

 

[84 Baby]

Mr Cheng
1. I might be an old codger but i'd still run rings around you.
2. Thanks for nice comments about my bi-polar issues.

Hmmm...

Mr Bazal
2. Lighten up mate. I was having a joke. Are you sure you don't suffer from the Poor Me Syndrome?

 

[SeftonBoy]

Hmmm...

I know by looking at your irrevelent comments 84 Baby that you're a twit & your sense of humour is seriously non-existent. Please stop making comments as you nothing about Rugby League. Sometimes it's best to say nothing.

 

[forward pass]

Yer I reckon Hayne is suited to a 5/8, I'm sure at some stage in his career he will play there again.
.

Apart from defence he virtually plays at no.6 anyway so not sure what the difference would be.

Playing five-eighth will mean he will just have to tackle about 30 times more than he does currently.

 

[ParraFan09]

Its hillarious when people say Luke Burt is a reserve grade winger, His one of the best wingers in the game. and you want to replace him with atkins, on what? 4 tries he scored on debut 3 years ago!

 

[84 Baby]

Its hillarious when people say Luke Burt is a reserve grade winger, His one of the best wingers in the game. and you want to replace him with atkins, on what? 4 tries he scored on debut 3 years ago!

Welcome to the club. Apparently we know nothing about rugby league.

 

[ParraFan09]

Welcome to the club. Apparently we know nothing about rugby league.

Let me just im glad there not picking our team.

 

[SeftonBoy]

You don't know nothing about Rugby League 84 Baby. Your comments prove it. Stop embarresing yourself.

Let's get one thing straight Luke Burt is not one of the best wingers in the game.

Morris, Uate, Tiquiri, Nightingale, Grothe, Perrett, Gordon to name a few are better than Burt. Read the stats on Burt's 2010 season it was atrocious. You're only as good as your last year & he played as a passenger. Too small for good wing play. Better suited to fullback but Hayne is our fullback.

 

[Springs]

You don't know nothing about Rugby League 84 Baby. Your comments prove it. Stop embarresing yourself.

Let's get one thing straight Luke Burt is not one of the best wingers in the game.

Morris, Uate, Tiquiri, Nightingale, Grothe, Perrett, Gordon to name a few are better than Burt. Read the stats on Burt's 2010 season it was atrocious. You're only as good as your last year & he played as a passenger. Too small for good wing play. Better suited to fullback but Hayne is our fullback.

Well if you are in a position to say someone doesn't know anything about Rugby League then you must know everything about Rugby League. Please flood us with your vast knowledge of all things Rugby League, and please try to leave Burt out of it. It seems all you know about Rugby League is hoe bad Burt is.

 

[yy_cheng]

Welcome to the club. Apparently we know nothing about rugby league.

And I have to go back to China.

What do I do there?

 

[Wise Old Eel]

True. But the ESL is an entirely different beast.



Not at all - I am a keen fan of Ando's. I think he was harshly treated.

But my point is this: Anderson is hailed as a very good coach because he made two NRL Grand Finals. Steve Kearney won a World Cup with an underdog team and somehow that doesn't equate to the man having talent?

I would have liked for Ando to have stayed and gotten a crack at coaching the team he was building. But it wasn't to be.

And instead of signing a nobody, we went out and signed a guy who was mentored by two great coaches, has won a World Cup as a coach and is highly regarded by many. I think that, the Daniel Anderson saga aside, we have done very well here.

If you say so...

I just don't buy into the weighting of the whole "Won a World" cup thing when comparing him to a coach with Anderson's record. To me, their records are chalk and cheese.

Anderson:
1994: Coached Parramatta's Harold Matthews side to the title.
1995-1998: Parramatta Eels Development Officer.
1999: Coached Parramatta's First Division (Reserve Grade) to the title.
2000: Assistant Coach under Brian Smith for Parramatta's NRL team.
2001-2004: Coached the NZ Warriors. Became the first coach to get them to the top 8 (2001). Coached them to the GF (runners-up) in 2002 & won Dally M Coach of the Year (2002).
2004-2005: Coach of NZ National Team.
2006-2008: Coached St Helens in the ESL, winning the Challenge Cup 2006, 2007 & 2008, winning the SuperLeague title in 2006, BBC Coach of the Year (2006), winning the World Club Challenge in 2007, runner up in the 2007 & 2008 SuperLeague GF's.
2009-2010: Parramatta Eels NRL Coach. NRL Runners Up in 2009 (first coach to get a team to the GF from 8th place since the inception of the McIntyre System).

Kearney:
2006-2010: Assistant coach for the Melbourne Storm (under Craig Bellamy).
2008-present: NZ National Coach, coached NZ to the Rugby League World Cup title in 2008 (assisted by Wayne Bennett).


If our starting halves next year are 6. Humble & 7. Robson (with a view to easing Murray into the role), then we have a chance - slim but a chance all the same.


Barring some sort of miracle, I think we are in for a LONG season in 2011. As previously stated, I will always follow my Eels but my expectations would have been higher had Anderson stayed.


WOE

 

[SeftonBoy]

The reason I say that Springs as that the comments are so ridiculous it's laughable to somebody been around playing rugby league for over 30 years, that's why? I don't know it all but I do know when somebody doesn't know what their talking about.
How many games have you played Springs?
I'll be the first to put my hand up & say i'm wrong if he plays well next year but based on last year I don't think so. Maybe I like my wingers to be big, fast, & aggresive who like eating up metres in the middle of the ruck in the early tackles on kick returns to help the forwards out. Wingers do as many hitups as the front rowers these days but our golden boy who can't do no wrong won't do one & if he does he gets dominated. Watch the games next year & watch his performances in this area.

Maybe Kung Fu Chengy

 

[84 Baby]

You don't know nothing about Rugby League 84 Baby. Your comments prove it. Stop embarresing yourself.

Let's get one thing straight Luke Burt is not one of the best wingers in the game.

Morris, Uate, Tiquiri, Nightingale, Grothe, Perrett, Gordon to name a few are better than Burt. Read the stats on Burt's 2010 season it was atrocious. You're only as good as your last year & he played as a passenger. Too small for good wing play. Better suited to fullback but Hayne is our fullback.

I never said Burt was one of the best wingers in the game. He is however one of the top 2 wingers at the club. Jordan Atkins IMO won't change that. Neither of them are Grothe/Vatuvei style wingers, neither of them are speedy Mead/Gordon style wingers but Burt is smarter and has a better skill set than Atkins and has the advantage of being a goalkicker. IMO Burt & Grothe don't need to worry about Atkins (to begin with, I still want Atkins to improve and pressure for a NRL spot at some point), the one they need to worry about is Sio. He isn't at the Grothe end of strength but nor is he at Burt's end. He's probably quicker than both, has a decent skill set, good under high ball, not too bad defensively and is also a goalkicker.

BTW I assume you meant "you don't know anything" "You don't know nothing" is a double negative.

Now if you would stop coming across as such a f*ckwit in your posts, you may find people will at least listen to what you say rather then replying that you're a f*ckwit

 

[SeftonBoy]

Put Sio in then. Burt out.

Sorry are you my old English teacher???

Can't help being a f**kwit. It sure does get you guys riles up though. Hahahahahahah.

 

[Springs]

The reason I say that Springs as that the comments are so ridiculous it's laughable to somebody been around playing rugby league for over 30 years, that's why? I don't know it all but I do know when somebody doesn't know what their talking about.
How many games have you played Springs?
I'll be the first to put my hand up & say i'm wrong if he plays well next year but based on last year I don't think so. Maybe I like my wingers to be big, fast, & aggresive who like eating up metres in the middle of the ruck in the early tackles on kick returns to help the forwards out. Wingers do as many hitups as the front rowers these days but our golden boy who can't do no wrong won't do one & if he does he gets dominated. Watch the games next year & watch his performances in this area.

Maybe Kung Fu Chengy

I've been playing now for 13 years. To me saying 'Luke Burt is a good winger' isn't laughable and the person saying them doesn't 'know nothing' about Rugby League.

Burt has been a loyal servant for Parramatta throughout his career. He has shown far more than Atkins has and even though he didn't have a great year last year (who in Parramatta did?) he still deserves his place on the left wing. To sack him would be like sacking the coach after one bad year.

 

[CrazyEel]

I will be shocked if Atkins plays any NRL next year, he is 28 and still hasn't established himself as a 1st grade winger, is not quick, has a very low workrate, poor positional play and defensive deficiences are well known. I am at a loss why the Eels have taken him on even if it is at minimum wage.