Hayne Omission

[watatank]

I'm not sure why everyone expected the NSW selectors to start making logical decisions all of a sudden.

On Foxsports this morning Sticky said Hayne doesn't fit into his game plan unless he plays 5/8

So why was he considered for fullback and not five eighth?

 

[oldmancraigy]

I'm a bit each way about it, whilst Hayne is a bonafide star, he can also get a bit of the Harold holts sometimes and go MIA. I wouldve played him on the wing

The only time he's gone MIA this year is when he was in the bin after the headbutt (oh - and the 2 weeks following when he was suspended).

He works like Hindmarsh in defence for Parra - almost anytime a try is scored he's in the frame busting a gut to try and hold it up or something.

I keep saying it, but he is better positioned to return kicks than any fullback in the comp. And he stops more tries through try saving tackles than anyone else (and has done so the past few seasons).

It's a complete myth that he goes MIA.

 

[oldmancraigy]

So why was he considered for fullback and not five eighth?

I think the point that Ricky is making is that he wasn't considered for fullback because Ricky doesn't want to play players out of position. He thinks Hayne is a 5/8, and won't pick him because Hayne isn't playing 5/8 at club level.


It's mystifying - but I suppose it shows us why Cronulla were so horrible the past few years.

 

[sam54no]

I'm a bit each way about it, whilst Hayne is a bonafide star, he can also get a bit of the Harold holts sometimes and go MIA. I wouldve played him on the wing

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/...outh-wales-berth/story-fn31yxah-1226056438738

Hayne has got one of the highest work rates for fullbacks in the nrl.

We just expect something incredible from him every time he touches the ball.

Unfortunately, he has set standards which are too high to maintain for any player.

He should have been the first picked. I'm just waiting for Parramatta to have a decent half...Then Hayne will look unstoppable.

 

[Tipster]

I think Ricky has backed himself against a wall now with respect to selection of Hayne. If Dugan gets injured or has a shocker in Game 1 what is he going to do? He is going to look stupid to bring Hayne at fullback as a replacement now that he has set the stall by saying one of the reasons he didn’t pick Hayne was because he felt he was more of a ball player than a fullback.

Ricky should have just come out and said that he believes Dugan is the better fullback than Hayne and left it at that. Trying to justify the selection by going on about him being a better 5/8th is just muddled and confusing.

 

[chrisD]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/...outh-wales-berth/story-fn31yxah-1226056438738

Too much logic and not enough bandwagon in that article. Dugan is in form and Hayne can't play positional hur dur!

 

[Chook Norris]

The way Ricky put it, it was because Hayne plays like a first or 2nd receiver for the Eels and Ricky would have to form a game plan around that - which he does not prefer. He'd rather a player such as Dugan who would fit into his ideal player as a fullback, ie probably chiming into set moves rather than at first or 2nd receiver

But that sounds stupid. Hayne can play that sort of style as well.. and even then you could not possibly leave him out. Should've at least been on the wing instead of B.Morris and looks like even some dragons fans agree as well

 

[Parra Guru]

Ricky spouting that sh*t about Hayne needing to play 6 is a blatant cop out excuse.

Hayne is Origin built and has been the best NSW back for the last 4 years.

Can't wait to watch Dugan come off after breaking a nail and Morris walk up and down the sideline and not bother to get involved.

Total joke. I am usually one of the first to brand Hayne a sook, but this time he has good cause to complain.

 

[Hooch]

Hayne is a fullback... wtf are u on about Stick.. one of the most threatening players with the ball in hand.. if he doesn't fit your game plane, change the fkin game plan you merkin!

 

[franklin2323]

Dugan last year maybe. This year not even close. Dugan has played a handful of games is no where near fit. Hayne won motm on the wing FFS. Was close to motm in a losing team in parra's last 2 games but can't play out of position idiots.

Stuart is f**ked the fact Hayne plays like a 5/8th is a bonus. Qld belt the 1/2's we have nothing. Or he plays Hayne, Lewis, G.Stewart, Farah we always have a 5th tackle option tard. Oh yeah Ricky watch the test match fool. Idris played left centre for the whole 2nd 1/2 & was decent.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

But that sounds stupid. Hayne can play that sort of style as well.. and even then you could not possibly leave him out. Should've at least been on the wing instead of B.Morris and looks like even some dragons fans agree as well

It sounds stupid because Hayne can play that style? If Hayne plays that style it negates any key advantages Hayne may have over Dugan. Dugan does more of the little things right in a traditional fullback role, Hayne is a playmaking fullback. If that was Sticky's mentality in picking the side, he made the right decision that fits in with his gameplan.

As for picking him on the wing, again it really takes away anything that makes Hayne a special player. I'm not going to really comment on whether he should have been there over Morris though.

 

[Chook Norris]

It sounds stupid because Hayne can play that style? If Hayne plays that style it negates any key advantages Hayne may have over Dugan. Dugan does more of the little things right in a traditional fullback role, Hayne is a playmaking fullback. If that was Sticky's mentality in picking the side, he made the right decision that fits in with his gameplan.

Wouldn't you happen to agree that Hayne's passing game is far superior to that of Dugan's even if he was playing from the back? He's done it plenty of times for the Eels as well chiming in.. What sort of "traditional fullback" characteristics does Dugan have over Hayne that warrants him selection over him? Hayne can also do all of those things

As for picking him on the wing, again it really takes away anything that makes Hayne a special player.

Erm no not really. Did you watch some of Hayne's performances on the wing in Origin 2-3 years ago? How could you say that playing on the wing takes away "anything", that makes him a "special player"?

I've said it a few times already but Morris, to me, has demonstrated nothing at Rep level

 

[Noa]

It sounds stupid because Hayne can play that style? If Hayne plays that style it negates any key advantages Hayne may have over Dugan. Dugan does more of the little things right in a traditional fullback role, Hayne is a playmaking fullback. If that was Sticky's mentality in picking the side, he made the right decision that fits in with his gameplan.

As for picking him on the wing, again it really takes away anything that makes Hayne a special player. I'm not going to really comment on whether he should have been there over Morris though.

By this logic they should have stuck with Jarryd then since theres 7 dragons in the team and Hayne and Boyd are similar style of fullbacks and he plays under a coach with a similar philosophy

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Wouldn't you happen to agree that Hayne's passing game is far superior to that of Dugan's even if he was playing from the back? He's done it plenty of times for the Eels as well chiming in.. What sort of "traditional fullback" characteristics does Dugan have over Hayne that warrants him selection over him? Hayne can also do all of those things

I dont disagree with the comments about Hayne's passing game. Dugan however is a better kick returner and positionally is more superior in defence. Hayne is lazy on kick returns, tends to wait for the opposition to come to him instead of running it back harder. He loses valuable metres, metres in Origin that are hard to come by.

Erm no not really. Did you watch some of Hayne's performances on the wing in Origin 2-3 years ago? How could you say that playing on the wing takes away "anything", that makes him a "special player"?

I've said it a few times already but Morris, to me, has demonstrated nothing at Rep level

It limits his ability to play as a playmaker. I thought that was pretty obvious. Hayne is a much better roaming player injecting himself into the play when he wants... You can't do that on the wing, irrespective of how much talent you have.

You're entitled to your opinion on Morris, but as I said I'm not going to comment on that.

 

[leo9999]

Im glad hayne didnt get picked on the wing, but when you see Michael Jennings in the Centres ahead of hayne altogether it makes me think why didnt they even consider playing hayne in the centres. Or they could have put dugan on the bench ahead of young and started hayne at fullback, Its frustrating yes because haynes being the blues best player for the last 3 years yes ino it hasnt produced victories but the blues have treated hayne terribly how many times did they pick gidley ahead of hayne at fullback and now they drop him all together. NSW ARE A JOKE.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

By this logic they should have stuck with Jarryd then since theres 7 dragons in the team and Hayne and Boyd are similar style of fullbacks and he plays under a coach with a similar philosophy

I would say Boyd and Dugan share more similarities than Boyd and Hayne. Boyd is typically a link man for us, not really a guy who steers the play like Hayne.

In any case, all 3 are very different players.

 

[Chook Norris]

Hayne is a much better roaming player injecting himself into the play when he wants... You can't do that on the wing, irrespective of how much talent you have.

I don't think we care how much one player is limited due to the position he is selected in
If he adds more to the team, it's pretty obvious who should be selected...
In this case, Hayne would add more to origin from the wing than Morris. Don't say he isn't a specialist in that area especially when he has shown he can very much play there at Origin

 

[Firey_Dragon]

I don't think we care how much one player is limited due to the position he is selected in
If he adds more to the team, it's pretty obvious who should be selected...
In this case, Hayne would add more to origin from the wing than Morris. Don't say he isn't a specialist in that area especially when he has shown he can very much play there at Origin

He's also shown that he is vulnerable defending on the wing over the years with some critical errors. Yes Hayne can play the wing, can he play it better than the options we've chosen? Well everyone has a different opinion.

Personally I think it's just replacing one player for the sake of it putting Hayne on the wing. Everything that makes him a super talent is under-utilised on the wing. For the record, I've posted previously that I would have had Hayne on the wing over Morris. However, it's not like that is going to make the difference between winning and losing, both players would have played a similar role.

 

[Chook Norris]

He's also shown that he is vulnerable defending on the wing over the years with some critical errors. Yes Hayne can play the wing, can he play it better than the options we've chosen? Well everyone has

Morris also showed some critical errors in defence last year, see game 2 or 3.
He rushed up far too often as some have already noted.

I'll leave it at that

 

[Pigskin]

Here's a news flash for you mr blinkered dragons fan 101 ... Morris is a really good club finisher ... he has never and will never do anything startling at Origin level

He should not have been selected in the test, and all queenslanders including myself are very happy indeed that he grabbed his spot in this team at the expense of Hayne

He won't do anything wrong, but will probably go missing along with several others

Oink !

ps And that goes for both Morris'