Hayne Omission

[boxhead]

By far one of the most ridiculous selection decisions in recent memory. QLD's all around Australia are collectively cheering that our selection woes are still evident.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Morris also showed some critical errors in defence last year, see game 2 or 3.
He rushed up far too often as some have already noted.

I'll leave it at that

I'm not arguing the case for Morris. I don't think he has been that impressive this year. I'm just saying that picking Hayne on the wing, just to get him in the side isn't necessarily the best attitude to have when picking a squad.

Morris would have been picked given the existing relationship with the other dragons players. Putting Hayne there doesn't mean we are instantly a better side. Picking players due to media hype or for the sake of it even if they are out of position is one of the key reasons NSW has been ineffective for 5 years now.

Is Hayne a better player than Morris? Yes.
Is Hayne a better winger than Morris? I couldn't argue the case convincingly either way

 

[boxhead]

Firey_Dragon, Hayne won two Brad Fittler medals on the wing. I'm sorry, but saying he wouldn't be as effective on the wing given he is our most dangerous back both on the wing and at fullback is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Firey_Dragon, Hayne won two Brad Fittler medals on the wing. I'm sorry, but saying he wouldn't be as effective on the wing given he is our most dangerous back both on the wing and at fullback is absolutely ridiculous.

Given how universally terrible the NSW sides have been in recent years, it's not hard to claim one of those medals. He is nowhere near as dangerous on the wing as he is at fullback, much of his game relies on exploiting tired forwards through the middle. As I said, his defensive lapses are also well known.

I would have picked him on the wing instead of Morris, but it's not as outrageous a decision as people are making it out to be.

 

[boxhead]

Given how universally terrible the NSW sides have been in recent years, it's not hard to claim one of those medals. He is nowhere near as dangerous on the wing as he is at fullback, much of his game relies on exploiting tired forwards through the middle. As I said, his defensive lapses are also well known.

I would have picked him on the wing instead of Morris, but it's not as outrageous a decision as people are making it out to be.

:crazy:
His form on the wing in 2009 had most QLDs, including the team and officials themselves, saying he would be the only NSWelshman that would make the QLD team. But apparently it's not "his best position" so he shouldn't be picked. So superlative form at both winger and fullback doesn't warrant selection in at least one of those positions?

 

[Hutty1986]

Here's a news flash for you mr blinkered dragons fan 101 ... Morris is a really good club finisher ... he has never and will never do anything startling at Origin level

He should not have been selected in the test, and all queenslanders including myself are very happy indeed that he grabbed his spot in this team at the expense of Hayne

He won't do anything wrong, but will probably go missing along with several others

Oink !

ps And that goes for both Morris'

If the Morris boys were toads, you'd be jerking off over them every weekend. We'll see how "happy" you are at the end of the series rather than you putting forward your arrogant opinion now

 

[Firey_Dragon]

:crazy:
His form on the wing in 2009 had most QLDs, including the team and officials themselves, saying he would be the only NSWelshman that would make the QLD team. But apparently it's not "his best position" so he shouldn't be picked. So superlative form at both winger and fullback doesn't warrant selection in at least one of those positions?

Settle petal. Where did I say he didn't deserve to be picked? I've implied that I think the right decision was made putting Dugan at fullback, I personally think he'll fit into the structure of the team better. I also said in this thread, as well as many others that Hayne should be picked on the left wing. What I am saying is I don't think Morris or Hayne is going to make a huge difference given the structure picked in the rest of the squad... It's pretty obvious what the gameplan will be, and it's not the individual flair of someone like Hayne that will be utilised.

In the end it came down to a decision about who is a better winger... Hayne or Morris. Many clearly disagree with the outcome however I think it's impact on the overall team is largely over-stated by many on here.

I think overall it's a pretty solid side, I would have had Mullen there instead of Pearce. Tolman for King and Hayne on the wing, but the choice of Morris isn't a bad one by any means, especially given his existing relationship with much of the squad. Farah and Ennis is obvious, but Farah hasn't exactly been in dazzling form this year.

 

[Hutty1986]

Settle petal. Where did I say he didn't deserve to be picked? I've implied that I think the right decision was made putting Dugan at fullback, I personally think he'll fit into the structure of the team better. I also said in this thread, as well as many others that Hayne should be picked on the left wing. What I am saying is I don't think Morris or Hayne is going to make a huge difference given the structure picked in the rest of the squad... It's pretty obvious what the gameplan will be, and it's not the individual flair of someone like Hayne that will be utilised.

In the end it came down to a decision about who is a better winger... Hayne or Morris. Many clearly disagree with the outcome however I think it's impact on the overall team is largely over-stated by many on here.

Morris won't let anyone down, he has lifted his work rate the past month or so and he's just about the quickest player in the comp. Hayne should have put his hand up all season, rather than one half of good footy against the Cowboys last weekend and while I think he should have been picked, he did himself no favours. Morris has done nothing wrong at SOO level but he's there to score tries and he's yet to open his account. That'll happen in game one and he'll be away.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Morris won't let anyone down, he has lifted his work rate the past month or so and he's just about the quickest player in the comp. Hayne should have put his hand up all season, rather than one half of good footy against the Cowboys last weekend and while I think he should have been picked, he did himself no favours. Morris has done nothing wrong at SOO level but he's there to score tries and he's yet to open his account. That'll happen in game one and he'll be away.

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Cool story bro.


However quite impotently false.

Morris has done nothing right as SoO level really.... been a bit of a 5-6/10 so far, where Hayne is consistently an 8/10 (or better) at that level.

And in terms of speed - who do you think is quicker? Morris or Hayne? There was some sprint that might help you with the answer.

You should go watch footage of Hayne this year - you can't set up 7 tries and 14 linebreaks without getting heavily involved. And you can only do that when the opposition thinks you're dangerous and is desperately trying to shut you down.


Dugan is the one who has only had 1 good half of footy this year (or has he?)

 

[hindy111]

If i was too choose a player to be at my club-between-Dugan-soward-uate-morris or Hayne-Who would use choose? Imagine the balls hayne could of thrown to big Jamal...
I understand Idiris defense isnt the best-but jennings isnt great either

 

[Noa]

I would say Boyd and Dugan share more similarities than Boyd and Hayne. Boyd is typically a link man for us, not really a guy who steers the play like Hayne.


In any case, all 3 are very different players.

Not really.Hayne and Boyd are lynchpins of there attacks, at this stage Dugan is not despite his talents.

 

[El Diablo]

Ricky Stuart should've been drowned at birth

 

[oldmancraigy]

I dont disagree with the comments about Hayne's passing game. Dugan however is a better kick returner and positionally is more superior in defence. Hayne is lazy on kick returns, tends to wait for the opposition to come to him instead of running it back harder. He loses valuable metres, metres in Origin that are hard to come by.


It limits his ability to play as a playmaker. I thought that was pretty obvious. Hayne is a much better roaming player injecting himself into the play when he wants... You can't do that on the wing, irrespective of how much talent you have.

You're entitled to your opinion on Morris, but as I said I'm not going to comment on that.

Agree completely on your thoughts on Hayne as a FB rather than winger.

You're dead wrong on the kick return thing.
Over their careers Hayne has been superior to Dugan in this regard. There are 2 options when returning a kick, run full pelt into the opposition (Hunt) - it's an option? Or use footwork to make meterage.
Hayne makes more meters returning the footy than anyone else in the comp over the past 2.5 years. It's simply untrue that Dugan is better in that regard.
And in terms of defensive positioning, again the MYTH is that Dugan is better. The CORRECT understanding is that Hayne is on hand to make more try saving tackles than anyone else in the comp.

And before you laugh at Parra this season (which would be more than fair) - bear in mind that stat is for 2009/10 as well - years in which Parra were a top 2 and 3 defensive team.

Oh dear.

 

[Hutty1986]

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Cool story bro.


However quite impotently false.

Morris has done nothing right as SoO level really.... been a bit of a 5-6/10 so far, where Hayne is consistently an 8/10 (or better) at that level.

And in terms of speed - who do you think is quicker? Morris or Hayne? There was some sprint that might help you with the answer.

You should go watch footage of Hayne this year - you can't set up 7 tries and 14 linebreaks without getting heavily involved. And you can only do that when the opposition thinks you're dangerous and is desperately trying to shut you down.


Dugan is the one who has only had 1 good half of footy this year (or has he?)

Hayne won a gimmicky sprint (who cares!), and wasn't Josh the Morris in that race anyway?

I agree with you, Hayne should be there but he should also have a f*cking go as well! Duges will be under big pressure to perform in Game One, they really should have blooded him in the dead rubber last year!

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Not really.Hayne and Boyd are lynchpins of there attacks, at this stage Dugan is not despite his talents.

Boyd is far from a linchpin in our attack now. 2009 & 2010 maybe it could be argued. He's more of a link man, not a genuine play maker like Hayne.

 

[babyg]

Crazy crazy decision. Next thing they'll be picking Dugan over Slater for Australia. How has Boyd gone on the wing for Qld the last few years. He's a specialist fullback isn't he.

I was thining NSW had a good chance this year given the changes Ricky has made but you should have felt the weight off my shoulders when the NSW selectors pulled out their magic.

 

[oldmancraigy]

I agree with you, Hayne should be there but he should also have a f*cking go as well! Duges will be under big pressure to perform in Game One, they really should have blooded him in the dead rubber last year!

Hayne at FB for Origin:

Game 2 2010:
33 touches
18 runs
137m
3 tackle busts
3 offloads
0 errors

6 kick returns for 62m

Game 3 2010:
26 touches
17 runs
213m
18 tackle busts
2 line breaks
1 offload
0 errors

7 kick returns netted 137m


What else do you want him to do? He's having a dig, no player made more meters than Hayne in either game. Those are the only 2 times he's played FB for NSW in Origin, and he's been flawless on both occasions, and NSW's best player on both occasions.

Why don't you pull your finger out and have a go at the moron selectors for not picking a bona fide star in the Origin team???
It makes no sense to put Dugan in the team AT ALL when you have a world class talent who is already performing at exceptional levels in Origin.
4 months of enquiries, same old crap from the selectors.

 

[Hutty1986]

Hayne at FB for Origin:

Game 2 2010:
33 touches
18 runs
137m
3 tackle busts
3 offloads
0 errors

6 kick returns for 62m

Game 3 2010:
26 touches
17 runs
213m
18 tackle busts
2 line breaks
1 offload
0 errors

7 kick returns netted 137m


What else do you want him to do? He's having a dig, no player made more meters than Hayne in either game. Those are the only 2 times he's played FB for NSW in Origin, and he's been flawless on both occasions, and NSW's best player on both occasions.

Why don't you pull your finger out and have a go at the moron selectors for not picking a bona fide star in the Origin team???

I meant at club level, he has shown flashes of brilliance but he can't seem to get that consistency. Not to say Dugan has, but Haynesy has been his own worst enemy at times

 

[oldmancraigy]

Hayne won a gimmicky sprint (who cares!), and wasn't Josh the Morris in that race anyway?

Hayne didn't win - the union flyer did. Hayne beat the league blokes

Josh Morris WAS in the race - so was Brett.

Gimmicky or not - they were all trying (except perhaps for Inglis? but he looked like he was trying).

 

[oldmancraigy]

I meant at club level, he has shown flashes of brilliance but he can't seem to get that consistency. Not to say Dugan has, but Haynesy has been his own worst enemy at times

How many Parra games you watched from start to finish this year bud?

Hayne busts his hump every single game every single minute.