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Alex28

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HevyDevy said:
Do you praise Triple J for the sake of praising Triple J with no real basis?
Couldn't answer the question huh. It took you nearly a week and thats all you could come up with?

sydraider said:
All you have to do to find jjj pretentious is to talk to their fan base!
They are so proud of being fans of so called indy bands that are signed to major labels.
Pretty much, if you are a jjj listener you like bands that have actually had their songs recorded but never played outside the domain of the annandale or hombake, if they are international bands, then its big day out!
To be a jjj fan means, you must be particular, must sound like sh*t, must have artist who couldnt even play with themselves, on top of that dress like sh*t!
Its the 90's stigma that has crept over with jjj fans and they are holier than though than the rest of the music fraternity.

What that means is, If you dont listen to the bands/artist that are on jjj then you dont know what you are talking about!
So...you are jaded because there isn't a dedicated Metal Station and a dedicated mass market Metal music festival?

I've gotta say...the scope between the Annandale and Homebake is a pretty big difference. It takes into account just about every venue in Sydney.

For the record - I don't think my musical taste is particularly better than anyone elses. I like metal but I'm not hard core about it. I own a few 3 Hours of Power compilations, I used to listen to the show (and FMR, but it's on too late now that I work).

I defend Triple J because it dares to play music that mainstream won't take a punt on. They play Australian music and expose new artists. They have an important role to play in the Australian music industry and have a wide area (both genre based and geographical) to cover where it is impossible to keep everybody happy.

Try listening to rural commercial radio and see how un-commercial Triple J is.

Bomber said:
Technically, hasn't every band that's ever recorded a song with a record company "sold out"?

Wonder what the JJJ people think about that?
Tend to agree. What is your point? Shouldn't you be posting this in the Metallica post? Who said anything about selling out?
 

Red Bear

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Probly owulda voted forLanded, whats on your radio and i was only 19. Don't know what else was actually decent from this year
 

Moffo

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sydraider said:
All you have to do to find jjj pretentious is to talk to their fan base!
They are so proud of being fans of so called indy bands that are signed to major labels.
Pretty much, if you are a jjj listener you like bands that have actually had their songs recorded but never played outside the domain of the annandale or hombake, if they are international bands, then its big day out!
To be a jjj fan means, you must be particular, must sound like sh*t, must have artist who couldnt even play with themselves, on top of that dress like sh*t!
Its the 90's stigma that has crept over with jjj fans and they are holier than though than the rest of the music fraternity.

What that means is, If you dont listen to the bands/artist that are on jjj then you dont know what you are talking about!

to an extent i agree but you are generalising

A few mates I know are ridiculous. They'll only listen to obscure and unknown crap and dump them once they hit mainstream. Classic example is wolfmother, i went to watch them id say...18 months ago at least at Newtown. Everyone there loved it. but now that they are going mainstream my mates dislike them

Its a geniused way to think. They are more in love with the ideals as opposed to the music.

Metal heads are also the most sheep like group of fans i have ever seen. The ones i've seen all dress the same way, live the same way and think the same way. And they criticise mainstream people for thinking the same!! lol!
 

strewth_mate

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All that upsets me about Triple J is the almost fanatical following by some that can end up sounding like an attack on everything else that isn't Triple J. I don't listen to Triple J, but I appreciate its importance as Alex28 has said, and I am willing to leave it alone and move on due to individual taste, there are too many people I know that cannot reciprocate and respect the decision.

The issue of the bandwagon is a big one too. It's been brought up previously in this thread, but only going so far as to say "we heard this first so you suck". Case in point: One of my mates is a massive JJJ and Jebediah fan from their beginning, he owns everything by them and goes to most local live shows etc. He is also devoted to independent music which makes arguing about this difficult. Now I only heard about Jebediah through the Hottest 100 and then commercial radio, so I came in halfway through. Therefore, no matter how much I like the band (if I did), in his eyes I can never be a true fan because I heard of them after they became popular. And there is no way to fix that.

I imagine everything that people have said in this thread concerning commercial stations playing this music before too long will happen. And this will only serve to enforce the ill-feeling towards the non-JJJ listeners. Even though it is a sign that, technically, more people will be listening to what they consider good music, which I thought would be a good thing, and it may inspire some to become proper fans of a new local band on their own esteem, but there will always paradoxically be resentment because of the bandwagon. Therefore I am led to believe that part of every dedicated JJJ listener either doesn't want to have their music heard by the majority, or eagerly awaits the opportunity to whinge when it does happen and say "I was here first". Or a 'playing hard to get' combination of both.

I don't listen to much radio, but when I do I respectfully avoid JJJ because to come in as an outsider would either be too much effort or I would feel like I was trying too hard to be 'independent cool' when it's a culture I have never aspired to be part of. Therefore I can only hear about this kind of stuff secondhand or through commercial radio. Which seems to be the biggest sin. It's like only naming 'Stairway to Heaven' when asked about Led Zeppelin's best songs, then being lambasted by someone saying "you need to listen to ALL of their stuff! It's better! You don't understand!" I get the feeling these people purposefully listen to something they know is second-rate to get such a point across that not everybody actually cares about. Either that or it's like some girl that dresses up in the most revealing clothes possible in an effort to get attention, and then gets offended when a guy sneaks a look.

Such devotion can be dangerous because for some people I think it's gone beyond listening to music they like, instead listening to anything of the genre for the sake of it. I don't think that's the way to listen to music and such people probably need to reassess what they actually want to get out of music. Watch any independent music awards ceremony, and everyone who says something about Australian music gets the biggest cheer no matter the context. I know people that pretend to be long-term Black Eyed Peas tragics because of their recent (unfortunate) success. I have heard a Christian radio station bragging about playing Guy Sebastian before Australian Idol. But I prefer to be left alone to like what I like (no, not Guy Sebastian) with no bloody musireligous doorknockers.

Sorry bout the rant ;-)
 

sydraider

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Absolutely true.

I hate commercial radio in every sense, its like being a programmed puppet and being told what to listen to. Most of my musical tastes involve the heavy metal variety which gets jack all air time unless it is late at night. One thing radio has the power to do is take a good song and make it annoying by playing it over and over.

Then we have JJJ, such a pretentious fan base, according to them they are responsible for most pop culture in music( well thats the impression I get)

The only saving grace for this station is they unearth some talent that would never be played raw on say MMM or 2day.

Then these artists get some noteriety and a mainstream fan base and the JJJ listener becomes all defensive about it.

What I would like to ask the avid pretentious JJJ fan is, would they consider asking these bands to give up the money that comes with mainstream success, so they could just linger on JJJ with a so called cool fan base??

I bet that artist would tell them where to rightly go.

Bottom line is these people make music to make money and every other reason or excuse that comes out of their mouths is absolute bullsh*t!

This makes JJJ just as commercial as any other mainstream FM station, something the avid JJJ listener cannot accept.
 

Alex28

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Nice rant Strewth - much better than "Triple J are sell outs" and "Triple J sucks" - at least you put some substance behind your opinion.

To an extent Triple J feeds the whole dropping-the-bands-once-commercial-radio-plays-them because thats exactly what they do to most bands. There is plenty of music that I like that is played on Triple J - I get a tad annoyed with people who say "this new band..." and when I point out that Triple J have been playing them for months they say "yeah...but Triple J sucks..." - it's just ignorant...

Ultimately I listen to Triple J because they play music I like and take a punt on new music. Each to their own really...

But back to Hottest 100 - I think only one of my songs are in so far (Ween - Gabrielle)...
 

phonetic

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When you compare the options on Sydney radio, it's not hard to crown JJJ as the most listenable.

Someone commented on them playing a lot of boring music, that's because they try and satiate a lot of tastes, you're always going to have a few 'what the f**k is this' moments.

I don't think theyre perfect or anything, nor do I think I am above anyone else for listening to them. I do wonder how people can actually listen to a lot of those commercial radio stations when there is an option like JJJ, but it's not up to me to make up their minds. I just enjoy what I feel is a much superior product.

I feel they could take a few more gambles with young Aussie stuff. It seems like a bit of a cool kids club, the whole getting played on triple j thing, the whole scene is in this city. If you don't have a track on the j's it makes getting a crowd to a gig a lot more difficult, and it's hard to be taken seriously.

Maybe JJJ and it's listeners have an idealistic superiority complex, but I feel in a way they've earned the right to have it.

And you've got to love the hottest 100!
 

Alex28

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sydraider said:
Then we have JJJ, such a pretentious fan base, according to them they are responsible for most pop culture in music( well thats the impression I get)

Then these artists get some noteriety and a mainstream fan base and the JJJ listener becomes all defensive about it.

What I would like to ask the avid pretentious JJJ fan is, would they consider asking these bands to give up the money that comes with mainstream success, so they could just linger on JJJ with a so called cool fan base??

I bet that artist would tell them where to rightly go.

This makes JJJ just as commercial as any other mainstream FM station, something the avid JJJ listener cannot accept.
OK...I'll play the role of pretentious JJJ fan...

I get a buzz out of seeing a band hit the big time. Wolfmother - whilst I find their music completely unoriginal - are hitting the big time and are going to be enormous. I say good on them - they have found their genre and are going to make a fortune out of it.

Would I ask them to give up their money? Hell no. It's their career. What a f**king stupid suggestion. Music fans buy CD's, go see gigs - they give them the money that they live on (or make it rich). Why the f**k would we ask them to give the money back?

So, what you are trying to tell me is that Triple J are a commercial station because they help musicians make money? You do know the basic concept of radio right?

Time for you to play the pretentious anti-Triple J fan champ.
 

phonetic

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Sydraider shreds any speck of common sense with his last sentence.

Of course JJJ listeners would not accept that JJJ is as commercial as mainstream radio, most people with any grasp of common sense would not accept it.
 

NPK

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The Hottest 100 is a great way for pretentious Triple J listeners to play the 'I can name more obscure bands that you can' game :p
 

Cletus

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Skyraider ranted:

I hate commercial radio in every sense, its like being a programmed puppet and being told what to listen to. Most of my musical tastes involve the heavy metal variety which gets jack all air time unless it is late at night. One thing radio has the power to do is take a good song and make it annoying by playing it over and over.

Well JJJ have a metal show. You won't find that on a commercial station. Not that I like metal much anymore, too much thrash and unintelligible lyrics.
I do like JJJ but it's not just that I'm a pretentious wanker. I just don't like much top 50 stuff. I watched rage one morning and was barfing over most of the songs they had on. Crazy Frog anyone?
They seem to have gotten over that 'It's Australian so it must be good thing' they had going a few years ago. And they do play a lot of popular music, they just don't play it automatically because it's number 1.
I think it's just whatever station suits your taste more. You're not going to listen to songs you don't like.
 

NPK

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Kanye West is at number 13?
Isn't that commercial rap that JJJ listeners hate?
 

Alex28

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Triple J love Kanye - they have been playing him for months.

5 to go - 2 Gorillaz, Bernard Fanning, Ben Lee, Datarock - thats my prediction...
 

Alex28

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lol...scrub Datarock...I was being more hopeful than realistic...

Foo Fighters fans will vote for whatever crap they put out no matter how rubbish it is huh...
 

brook

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pretty much

I've got an awful feeling Fanning is going to win now, I was sure it would be wolfmother but I guess their votes got spread among too many songs.
 

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