Originally Posted by Bazal
Can any of you Storm fans explain to me how Slaters injury supposedly occurred in this incident, despite the knee being pulled the wrong way for a medial strain yet? Or are you all to busy clutching at those straws to actually engage in a reasoned discussion?
Bazal said:Wait, wait, wait...a couple of things;
1)Anyone here done their medial? Ligaments are pretty tough, it takes a lot of force to damage one, certainly more than PJ Marsh can apply to a joint especially bending it the way it's designed to bend.
2)Yes, we do pull legs a bit in tackles, mostly via PJ and Finch, and I don't think you'll find many Eels fans who aren't pissed off when they do it.
3)The medial ligament is on the medial side of the joint, obviously. That's the inside of the joint for anyone who doesn't know. A medial ligament strain occurs when the knee is bent or twisted laterally (or towards the outside), thus placing unnatural pressure on the medial side of the joint. But PJ pulls the leg back towards the medial side, in a fairly natural bend...so how does Billy get a medial ligament strain on a ligament that, for all intents and purposes, is relaxed by the action of pulling the leg? I don;t think Bellamy and his boys really thought this one through...
Frailty said:You are quite correct, however the image does not show where the injury occurred, but rather when PJ Marsh first picks up Slaters leg.
If you watch the video, via bigpond, you will see Marsh drags slaters leg. In doing so Slater is moved onto his back and his right knee is dragged into Number 17 of Parramatta, whilst PJ continues to push his leg. Thus, his shin is extended away from the body. This is how the medial tear/strain occurred.
However, I don't believe there was intent to injure, but merely to slow the ball down. That being said, it is still a dangerous tactic like the grapple, ripper, and crusher tackles, which are also aimed at slowing down the play the ball.
On the subject of Bellamy, I do not see this as whinging or complaining. I think he has maintained his composure well and is simply demonstrating other tactics that slow the play the ball down can be dangerous too. I think he has done this.
For video reference.... the incident occurs 39:07 in the first half.
Bazal said:I've seen the footage, and if anything he should have a strain on the lateral side of his knee. PJ pulls his leg straight back and slightly towards the medial side, it's not possible to strain a medial ligament like that. Lateral, yes...but not medial. And of course there is no way PJ has the strength to strain a ligament by pulling some guys leg, it's just not possible.
Watch the video again. Billy Slater ends up on his back with his right leg being dragged to the right. Contact with Number 17 is on the lateral side of his right knee and thus the strain in placed on the medial side of the knee.
Firstly, Slater rolls onto his back of his own accord after the fact, otherwise PJ would be bending his knee the wrong way ffs. Secondly, as you can see Wagon is on the left, PJ breaks to the left, Slaters leg is pulled to the left thus placing pressure on the lateral side of the knee. And anyway, do you really think a medial ligament can be damaged that easily?
Just caught note of this. If slater is on his back, and PJ holding right leg, and Wagon is on the left, the pressure is COMING FROM the lateral side at the knee (Wagon) and the medial side at the ankle (Marsh). This means his lower leg is being abuducted from the body and straining the medial ligament on the inside of his right knee., as you can see Wagon is on the left, PJ breaks to the left, Slaters leg is pulled to the left thus placing pressure on the lateral side of the knee
Frailty said:Just caught note of this. If slater is on his back, and PJ holding right leg, and Wagon is on the left, the pressure is COMING FROM the lateral side at the knee (Wagon) and the medial side at the ankle (Marsh). This means his lower leg is being abuducted from the body and straining the medial ligament on the inside of his right knee.
Bazal said:He rolls over after the pressure is applied
Frailty said:No he doesn't. The pressure isn't applied until Wagon is just about standing and as Marsh is going past. Slater is on his back at this time.
Frailty said:Does anyone know how to screen capture a streaming video?
Because the pressure is when Slater is on his back.
_Johnsy said:Well it would appear that the Melbourne coach would disagree with you, afterall the picture he is using as the exact moment the injury was suffered suggests otherwise.